Sad is when some of the Slavic nations solve their each other situations in the spirit of fascism (see former Yugoslavs)or attacking other slavic nations
(see polish - russian war and occupation) or make genocide agaist other slavic nations (see famine in Ukraine caused by russians and hatred russians towards ukrainians)
Just western Slavs (the polish, czechs and slovaks) have never killed each other in history. There were some minor quarels but nothing serious that would lead to killing or murdering each other.
Re: Western Slavs are the best among the all Slavs.
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January 3 2008, 7:35 PM
famine in Ukraine caused by russians and hatred russians towards ukrainians
The famine was caused by Bolsheviks of all the nationalities and their hatred to human beings of any nationality. And since it affected Russian-speaking areas mostly it indirectly caused ukrainization of Ukraine by the way.
(see polish - russian war and occupation)
Oh, you mean the events of 1612 when Russian militia drew Polish occupation army out of Moscow, right?
The Ukrainian famine (1932-1933), or Holodomor (Ukrainian: Ãîëîäîìîð), was one of the largest national catastrophes of the Ukrainian nation in modern history. Modern scholarly estimates of the direct loss of human life due to the famine range between 2.6[1][2] and 3.5 million, [3] while the numbers as high as up to 10 million are sometimes cited in the media.[4]
The term Holodomor is applied only to the famine that took place in the territories of the Ukrainian SSR[5] during the wider famine that affected other regions of the USSR: such as Kazakhstan,[6] parts of Russia and the Volga German Republic.[7] Sometimes the term Holodomor is applied to the famine that occurred at the same time in other areas populated by ethnic Ukrainians outside of Soviet Ukraine.
Most modern historians agree that the famine was caused by the Stalinist policies of the government of the Soviet Union, though a few argue that natural causes may have been the primary reason for the disaster. There also exists a small group who deny the Holodomor outright. There is no international consensus among scholars or politicians on whether the Soviet policies that caused the famine fall under the legal definition of genocide.[8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17] As of December 1, 2007, the parliament of Ukraine and the governments of 15 countries have passed bills acknowledging Holodomor as an act of genocide.[18]
The Polish-Soviet War (February 1919 – March 1921) was an armed conflict of Soviet Russia and Soviet Ukraine against the Second Polish Republic and the Ukrainian People's Republic, four nascent states in post-World War I Europe. The war was the result of conflicting expansionist attempts. Poland, whose statehood had just been re-established by the Treaty of Versailles following the Partitions of Poland in the late 18th century, sought to secure territories which she had lost at the time of partitions; the Soviets' aim was to control those same territories, which had been part of Imperial Russia until the turbulent events of the Great War. Both States claimed victory[1] in the war: the Poles claimed a successful defense of their state, while the Soviets claimed a repulse of the Polish eastward invasion of Ukraine and Belarus, which they viewed as a part of foreign intervention in the Russian Civil War.
The frontiers between Poland and Soviet Russia had not been defined in the Treaty of Versailles and post-war events created turmoil: the Russian Revolution of 1917; the crumbling of the Russian, German and Austrian empires; the Russian Civil War; the Central Powers' withdrawal from the eastern front; and the attempts of Ukraine and Belarus to establish their independence. Poland's Chief of State, Józef Pi³sudski, felt the time expedient to expand Polish borders as far east as feasible, to be followed by the creation of a Polish-led federation (Miêdzymorze) of several states in the rest of East-Central Europe as a bulwark against the potential re-emergence of both German and Russian imperialism. Lenin, meanwhile, saw Poland as the bridge that the Red Army would have to cross in order to assist other communist movements and help conduct other European revolutions.
By 1919, the Polish forces had taken control of much of Western Ukraine, with victory in the Polish-Ukrainian War; the West Ukrainian People's Republic had tried unsuccessfully to create a Ukrainian state on territories to which both Poles and the Ukrainians laid claim. At the same time, the Bolsheviks began to gain the upper hand in the Russian Civil War and advance westward towards the disputed territories. By the end of 1919 a clear front had formed. Border skirmishes escalated into open warfare following Pi³sudski's major incursion further east into Ukraine in April 1920. He was met by a nearly simultaneous and initially very successful Red Army counterattack. The Soviet operation threw the Polish forces back westward all the way to the Polish capital, Warsaw. Meanwhile, western fears of Soviet troops arriving at the German frontiers increased the interest of Western powers in the war. In midsummer, the fall of Warsaw seemed certain but in mid-August the tide had turned again as the Polish forces achieved an unexpected and decisive victory at the Battle of Warsaw. In the wake of the Polish advance eastward, the Soviets sued for peace and the war ended with a ceasefire in October 1920. A formal peace treaty, the Peace of Riga, was signed on 18 March 1921, dividing the disputed territories between Poland and Soviet Russia. The war largely determined the Soviet-Polish border for the period between the World Wars.
From 1768 - 1772, an anti-Russian rising known as the "Confederation of Bar" was crushed by the Russians. Over 5000 captured "szlachta" were sent to Siberia. Among the few who escaped was Kazimierz Pulaski who was to play an important role in the United States' struggle for independence.
Polish independence ended in a series of Partitions (1772, 1793 and 1795) undertaken by Russia, Prussia and Austria, with Russia gaining most of the Commonwealth's territory including nearly all of the former Lithuania (except Podlasie and lands West from the Niemen river), Volhynia and Ukraine. Austria gained the populous southern region henceforth named Galicia–Lodomeria, named after the Duchy of Halicz and Volodymyr (The Duchy was briefly occupied by Hungary between 1372 and 1399, and the Habsburgs claimed to have inherited it from the Hungarian Kings, despite the fact that Volodymyr was not a part of Galicia). In 1795 Austria also gained the land between Kraków and Warsaw, between Vistula river and Pilica river. Prussia acquired the western lands from the Baltic through Greater Poland to Kraków, as well as Warsaw and Lithuanian territories to the north-east (Augustów, Mariampol) and Podlasie. The last heroic attempt to save Poland's independence was a national uprising (1794) led by Tadeusz Koœciuszko, however it was eventually quenched.
Following the French emperor Napoleon I's defeat of Prussia, a Polish state was again set up in 1807 under French tutelage as the Duchy of Warsaw. When Austria was defeated in 1809, Lodomeria was added, giving the new state a population of some 3.75 million, a quarter of that of the former Commonwealth. Polish nationalists were to remain among the staunchest allies of the French as the tide of war turned against them, inaugurating a relationship that continued into the twentieth century.
With Napoleon's defeat, the Congress of Vienna in 1815 converted most of the Grand Duchy into a Kingdom of Poland ruled by the Russian Tsar before the Russian dynasty was deposed from the throne by the Kingdom's Parliament during the Polish-Russian War of 1830/1. After the January Uprising of 1863 the Kingdom was fully integrated into Russia proper. Several national uprisings were bloodily subdued by the partitioning powers. However, the striving of Polish patriots to regain their independence could not be extinguished. The opportunity for freedom appeared only after World War I when the oppressing states were defeated or weakened by a combination of each other, the Allied Powers, and internal revolt (such as the Russian Revolution).
In April 1943, the Soviet Union broke relations with the Polish government in exile after the German military announced that they had discovered mass graves of murdered Polish army officers at Katyñ, in the USSR. The Soviets claimed that the Poles had insulted them by requesting that the Red Cross investigate these reports. In July 1944, the Soviet Red Army and the Peoples' Army of Poland (Ludowe Wojsko Polskie or LWP) entered Poland, defeated the Germans (losing 600,000 of its soldiers), and established a communist-controlled "Polish Committee of National Liberation" in Lublin.
Polish independence was eventually proclaimed on November 3, 1918 and later confirmed by the Treaty of Versailles in 1919; the same treaty also gave Poland some territories annexed by German and Austrian during the partitions (see Polish Corridor). The post-war eastern borders of Poland were determined by Polish victory in the Polish-Soviet War. From mid 1920s to mid 1930s Polish government was under the control of Józef Pi³sudski, the politically-moderate war hero who had engineered the defeat of Soviet forces. Polish independence had boosted the development of culture, but Poland was hit hard by the Great Depression. The new Polish state had had only 20 years of relative stability and uneasy peace before Poland's aggressive neighbours tried to wipe her from the map of Europe again. In 1939, under constant threat from Germany, Poland entered into a full military alliance with Britain and France. In August, Germany and Russia signed a secret agreement concerning the future of Poland, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.
Massacring of the Poles by Ukrainians and Russians.
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January 3 2008, 10:57 PM
And finally this :
In 1941-1943 Ukrainian nationalists (OUN and Ukrainian Insurgent Army) massacred more than 100,000 Poles in Galicia and Volhynia. More than 500,000 Polish citizens were deported to the Soviet Union, many of them to concentration camps and labor camps (Gulag).
The ruling class of "Western" Slavs massacred its own people with the help of the German crusaders and the Roman Catholic church.
The first great division of the Slavs started with the christianisation of the Slavs. After the "end" of the holy war we had on the one hand the Orthodox Christian Slavs (like the Russians and the Serbs) and on the other the Roman Catholic Slavs (like the Poles and Croatians).
Only under these circumstances it is somewhat "comprehensible" that fascist Croatians - under the supervision of the Vatican - murdered their own brothers and sisters in Jasenovac.
But no among the western Slavs. They have never murdered or massacred each other in the name of christianity or orthodox church.
Czechs or Polish or Slovaks never fight against each other as nations at wars.
And there have never been any genocide or slaughtering or massacres among them.
The other Slavs (eastern and southern) should take an example how the Slavs should live together in peace and respect.
The western Slavs are the living example of good relations and each other respect and the way for eastern and southern Slavs how they could live in peace.
