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February 15 2008 at 12:38 PM
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zajka - rabbit
zaika - stuttering person

 
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Re: Difference between i and j

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February 15 2008, 2:19 PM 

vojny - wars
voiny - warriors

 
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Anonimnik

simplicity

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February 15 2008, 4:29 PM 

The most important aspect of slovio is simplicity. To complicate the language by making such nuances would be counterproductive. Then the next step would be adding accents, then other and other sounds, and declinations.... and we would be exactly where we are now: having 15 complicated, hard to learn Slavic languages.

Slovio does not attempt to be perfect, but it wants to be simple and non-confusing.

 
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February 15 2008, 4:39 PM 

Using i instead of j complicates issues.

moj = my thing
moi = my things

 
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Re: simplicity

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February 15 2008, 5:25 PM 

Ay Igor!

Slovio, as many other "modern" languages, does not need a plural of possessive pronouns.

Iopq complicates everything

 
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February 15 2008, 5:29 PM 

Oh wait, you allow the arbitrary distinction of j at WORD boundaries, but not at MORPHEME boundaries. You have to use a space to use the letter j!
Because a space defines what letter you use? Maybe you shouldn't use d at the end of the word either. That would be "simpler" by your logic. Not led, let.

 
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February 16 2008, 5:45 AM 

Slovioists should borrow the rules phonology and word formation from Toki Pona -- it would make more sense.

 
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Eugeniusx

Slovio Vnov Vigral

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February 16 2008, 2:27 PM 

Dzxenkujim! Sibirskju Slovanskisxist, nasx!

To sxto "Toki Pona" uzx realizoval Vi (Ti, tvoi Ruso-Ukrainju kolonialist i Sudeten-Cxeski Logikist)esxte nuzxit opracivat, imenuo:

"In all honesty, Toki Pona has a small following, but the Toki Pona community
does include at least three fluent speakers (a fact that not very many other
constructed language communities can claim). (...)"

 
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Re: Difference between i and j

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February 16 2008, 2:44 PM 

To be honest, I don't understand any of the examples given here, but iopq is right about one thing: If the rule "use j after a space (i.e. at the beginning of the word)" is OK, why is the rule "use j after a vowel" complicated, hard to learn, or adding counterproductive nuances?

 
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February 16 2008, 3:14 PM 

No, it should be "use j at the end of a syllable or the beginning"
"use i in the middle of a syllable"

so in Slovianski we'd spell those words "vojini" and "vojni" which is how Czech, Ukrainian, Slovak spell them (in regards to j) - Ukrainian uses the ji letter, but that's because it uses cyrillic

 
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February 16 2008, 4:34 PM 

That's the problem, at first define a syllable (for somebody who ignores the difference between vowels and the corresponding semivowels).

My proposal would not make the Slovio spelling as natural as the Slovianski one, but it would make it Polish-Slovak at least - although of course, the Polish-Slovak spelling looks unnatural to most other Slavs (especially when a robot converts it to Cyrillic). If you say that the Slovio spelling already is Polish-Slovak, it is actually an euphemism, because even Polish and Slovak don't write nai-, Sxveicaria, moi, vuiko.

 
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Gabriel to Be Expecting ...

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February 16 2008, 5:42 PM 

Gabriela pisala:
My proposal would not make the Slovio spelling as natural as the Slovianski one ...
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Ja lubijm Gabrielogika:

Something is either natural or not natural.
You can´t be a bit pregnant! You are either pregnant or not pregnant, razumisx?

 
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Re: Gabriel to Be Expecting ...

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February 16 2008, 5:46 PM 

Neither orange nor green are red, but orange is more red than green. It is also a bit red.

 
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Re: Gabriel to Be Expecting ...

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February 16 2008, 5:59 PM 

Gabriel:
Neither orange nor green are red, but orange is more red than green. It is also a bit red.
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super! ትልልሊክ! velvelj!

So you are a bit pregnant, right? ትልልሊክ! Let´s see what will come out of it!

 
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Re: Gabriel to Be Expecting ...

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February 17 2008, 10:46 AM 

So you are a bit pregnant, right? Let´s see what will come out of it!

Yes, I am. The result: a dead-born child = ni pes ni wydra = Slovianski.

 
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Re: Difference between i and j

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February 16 2008, 4:43 PM 

Vidijte!
Takak ja skazal: ta SlovIAnskistju troika imat problemi razumit ih jazik!

 
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Re: Difference between i and j

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February 16 2008, 5:42 PM 

Names of langages don't have to conform to the rules of the language itself. In Czech, czeh + -ski should become czeszski, yet it is czeski. Russians call our language more correctly than we do.

 
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Re: Difference between i and j

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February 16 2008, 5:47 PM 

slovianski is not a language but a nonprofessional "bausxtela".

 
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February 16 2008, 5:50 PM 

Igor:
zajka - rabbit
zaika - stuttering person
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interesju!

 
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Re: Difference between i and j

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February 16 2008, 6:07 PM 

Ne vidim. What of the above you consider a problem?

 
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February 16 2008, 6:21 PM 

Slo-vi-an-ski

Yes, I actually pronounce it that way
It's the name of the language

but when I say the word "Slavic" I say slo-vjan-ski

czeski is just assimilation, the same way komunist + ski = komunističski > komunistički

 
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February 16 2008, 7:16 PM 

Igor negvorij!
slovianski is not a language it is a brain masturbation project of three pachołki!

 
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February 16 2008, 7:25 PM 

Slovio is mental masturbation of another pahol

 
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Re: Difference between i and j

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February 17 2008, 12:03 AM 

you are wrong!
Slovio is a spoken language like Esperanto.

And Slovianski is just as much as almost nothing!
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And Sloivianski without Slovio is just NOTHING!

Try to disproof me!

 
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Re: Difference between i and j

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February 17 2008, 12:32 AM 

We've been speaking Slovianski in the Slovianski forum for a while now
Slovio might be a bit more popular, but what do I care?

 
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February 17 2008, 10:52 AM 

czeski is just assimilation, the same way komunist + ski = komunistièski > komunistièki

Yes, but such assimilation occurs nowhere else in Czech, we have:

valah + -ski = valaszski (not valaski)
lah + -ski = laszski (not laski)

czeh + -ski = czeski is an exception

 
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February 18 2008, 5:52 AM 

Of course, because it's a widely used word
all words that are very widely used have simpler forms

 
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