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Kto bil najvisze veliki Rosijan?

19i jul' 2008 - Spraszivajut Rosijani toczno tuttoj vopros i oni ne moz'ut reszit' medz'u car, vloda od ktori bila tak straszna, czo ona priczinila Oktobrska Revol'ucija, i psihopaticzni diktator, ktori ubil ili vignal milioni od svoje vlasne l'udi. Rosijska sztatna televizija predaje konkurs nazvani Imeno od Rosija, v ktori internetne glosovateli vibrali 50 imena iz spisok od 500 vaz'ne istoriczne licznosti. Tutczas oni czin'ut tutto vibranije visze uzko - na 12, iz ktore vigratel' bude vibrani v jesen'. Jest' ledva moz'livo vibrat' stupen' od velikost' medz'u artisti, na primer Anton Czehov, pioneri, na primer Jurij Gagarin, i lid`ri, na primer Ivan Grozni. Rezul'tati odkrivajut neczo vaz'no ob rosijski nacional'ni harakter: konkurs ob pervo mesto jest' tesni medz'u car Nikolaj II i Josif Stalin. Kraj imal tak mnoge despoticzne lid`ri, czo vibrat' najvisze dobri iz nim jest' jak vibrat' najmene nebezpeczna gremucza zmeja. Podobni konkurs stal sja toz' v ine kraji: Vasil Levski, revol'ucioner i nacional'ni geroj, vigral v Bulgarija i Karl IV, imperator od Svjata Rimska Imperija, vigral v Czehija.

(od Hjuston Kronikl)

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19i jul' 2008 - Tisjaczi od protestovateli uczastnili marsz v pjatok, czobi sosedna Grecija priznala makedonsko menszinstvo. Protest imal odnoszenije k dolgi spor ob imeno medz'u oba kraji. Ateni hoczut, czobi Makedonija izmenila svoje imeno, za czo oni imajut strah, czo Makedonija moz'livo mogla bi hotet' teritorija od severni grecki region nazivani Makedonija. Dogovorovanija ob imeno, posredkuvane od Organizacija od Objedinene Naciji, su zablokovane mnoge godi.

Organizatori od pjatniczni marsz v makedonski glovni grod Skopje skazali, czo okolo 8000 l'udi uczastnili protest. Toz' veterani iz grecka grodz'anska vojna (1946-1949), ktore bojevali s porazene buntovniki, uczastnili marsz. "Narod ne moz'e bit' viczerknuti posredstvem dekret. Jest' nasze grodz'ansko pravo ogloszovat' sja jak Makedon`ci i mi nikogda ne ustupime to," Trajko Vel'anovski, govoritel' od parlament, skazal k protestovateli.

Visze rano v tutta sedmica, makedonski premjer Nikola Gruevski napisal pismo k svoj grecki kolega Kostas Karamanlis, v ktoro on hotel priznanije od makedonsko menszinstvo. Ateni odvergajut bitije od tako menszinstvo i czinovniki govor'ut tol'ko ob "govoriteli od slovjanski jazik", ktore z'ijut v severna Grecija. V pjatok Karamanlis obvinil Gruevski, czo on probuje podkopavat' dogovorovanija ob imeno. "Ne jest' nijako «makedonsko menszinstvo» v Grecija. Ono nikogda ne bilo. Vasze pismo jest' daleko od probovanija, ktore su czinene v dogovorovanija ob imeno i dl'a visze dobre vzajemne odnoszenija, i ono govori ob nebuducze veszczi," Karamanlis napisal v odpoved' dl'a Gruevski.

czobi - has other meaning than that is in this text.

How about the word - abi ?

Abi doesn't mean the same thing as czobi

Example:
Tisjaczi od protestovateli uczastnili marsz v pjatok, czobi sosedna Grecija priznala makedonsko menszinstvo.
Thousands marched so that Greece acknowledged the Macedonian minority.

Tisjaczi od protestovateli uczastnili marsz v pjatok, czobi sosedna Grecija priznala makedonsko menszinstvo.
Thousands would have marched if Greece had acknowledged the Macedonian minority

meant to change the second sentence to abi:

Tisjaczi od protestovateli uczastnili marsz v pjatok, abi sosedna Grecija priznala makedonsko menszinstvo.

=-O What Slavic language has this difference?

Poshto bih ne upotrebiti slovo "daby"?

абы has two meanings in Russian, czto by and jesli by

and in slovak " so that " / "in order to"

So, abi should be acceptable.

Why should Slovak determine whether a word is acceptable or not? Shouldn't ALL of the languages determine this?

correct! The basic of a all-Slavic language is to incorporate all common features of all Slavic languages. That´s why all the variation of Slovianski do not make a sense.

I mean by this "abi" that is very easy for :

1. pronunciation
2. writing

It doesn't matter if this word is from slovak, russian, croatian or bulgarian langs.

"The basic of a all-Slavic language is to incorporate all common features of all Slavic languages."
This is the basis of Slovianski-P

Slovianski-N incorporates all features known to a majority of all Slavic languages

Maybe, but the grammar is shit.

It is a Slavic grammar. If you don't like Slavic grammars, just keep on speaking broken English.

Igor pisal:
Slovianski-N incorporates all features known to a majority of all Slavic languages
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This is wrong. One major Slavic group,namely Macedonian / Bulgarian has no 6 cases. And like Afrikaans for the Germanic languages, is this Slavic group the most easiest to learn. This is so for both languages because of the intensive contacts with other languages.

But slavic grammars are also Slovio and Sloviensk.
And if you don't like them then you also don't like slavic grammars.

But slavic grammars are also Slovio and Sloviensk.

They are not Slavic grammars.

All Slavic grammars have three genders, Slovio and Sloviensk don't.
All Slavic grammars have mandatory present tense conjugation, Slovio and Sloviensk don't.
All Slavic grammars have at least two different plural endings, Slovio and Sloviensk don't.

Gabriel, as usually, you are wrong:

1. Slovio has three genders: on, ona, ono; because these are common to ALL Slavic languages.
What is NOT common in all Slavic languages is the same declination of verbs. N.pr.: я пишу (ja pisxu), ja piszę i ja pisam. To create an all-Slavic helping language, we should keep all what is common and drop all what is not.

2. Slovio has a present tense conjugation. N.pr.: ja idijm, on, ona, ono idijt, mi idijme, itd.
The difference between Slovio and Slovianski is that Slovio conjugation is regular and Slovianski is just a Frankenstein-like patchwork more irregular and crooked than any existing Slavic tongue.

3. Here again Slovianski is trying to be more irregular than any existing Slavic tongue.
I prefer to use the i-ending for the plural form.

1. Slovio has three genders: on, ona, ono; because these are common to ALL Slavic languages.

Nope, Bulgarian has toj, t'a, to. So by your logic, third person pronouns are not common to all Slavic languages and Slovio should therefore not have them.

2. Slovio has a present tense conjugation. N.pr.: ja idijm, on, ona, ono idijt, mi idijme, itd.

Yes, but it can also have: ja idit, on idit, mi idit etc. All Slavic languages have a mandatory conjugation, but Slovio does not.

The difference between Slovio and Slovianski is that Slovio conjugation is regular and Slovianski is just a Frankenstein-like patchwork more irregular and crooked than any existing Slavic tongue.

As iopq introduces new and new conjugation patterns to that I can find not even a slight paralel in my native language, I am starting to have the same feeling.

3. Here again Slovianski is trying to be more irregular than any existing Slavic tongue.

Nope. No Slavic language has plurals like avizi, jabloki, zverstvi, teli, stoletiji, uhi, evri, oki, geti, koleni, jezeri, pismi, sredstvi, ministerstvi, zerkali, ubijstvi, imeni, jadri, nebi, mili, leti, plemeni, veti, videi, seli, okni, krili, slovi.

This is not wrong, I said majority. Macedonian and Bulgarian are a minority of Slavic languages. East + West should outvote a small part of South Slavic languages.

Also, Slovio and Sloviensk are not spoken by enough people to matter. The same with Kashubian/Silesian/etc.
We only look at national languages because the vast majority of slavic language speakers know a national slavic language. This is being realistic.

Also, Slovio and Sloviensk are not spoken by enough people to matter.

- and Slovianski N,P,S, ....... are spoken by majority of the Slavic people ???

Don't be funny !

I never said the Slovianski grammar or language ever mattered or ever will
and neither will Slovio
and neither will Sloviensk

this is mental masturbation

Slovio ia a well known Slavic helping language and spoken by quite a few people. Whereas Slovianski was and is - as is well-known - an anti-Slovio construct patchworked and understood by not more than two and a half persons. Their mental masturbation "created" very funny things like ones, more than 100 pronouns.

Igor pisal:
This is not wrong, I said majority. Macedonian and Bulgarian are a minority of Slavic languages. East + West should outvote a small part of South Slavic languages.
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you violate your own masturbastion rules!
English and Bulgarian have some things in common, mainly they dropped the cases. One of the reason of the popularity of English is that it is much more easy to learn ( id did not say easy to master) than German.
Li Ti znasx, zxe Slovio es tolk prostit Bulgario. I to dobrju!

Eugeniusx

Some vocabulary should be taken from Sloviensk but grammar ought to be taken from compromise between Slovio and Sloviensk.

Slovio es dobrju dla nisxto

Igor is demonstrating that Slovio is working well as a Slavic helping language, writing:
Slovio es dobrju dla nisxto
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I am sure there is no Slav under this sun who will not understand this -in fact not true- Slovio sentence!
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Perfekt Igor, idij vpred!

I mean by this "abi" that is very easy for :

1. pronunciation
2. writing

"Abi" is as easy to pronounce as "czobi".

And writing? Yes, "czobi" is more difficult to write than "abi". I remember considering this more than two years ago:

z'ena > muliera
z'irafa > kamelopard

Go ahead, Eulenspiegel IV!

àáû has two meanings in Russian, czto by and jesli by

I think "in order to" should be just "czobi", because we have no other word for this meaning in Slovianski, while we have "jesli bi" for "if ... would".

Tisjaczi uczastnili marsz za prava od makedonsko menszinstvo v Grecija

This sentence is a good example of why the Former Yugoslav Republic shouldn't be called Macedonia. Who were participating in the march? Well I have idea of who they were, but still it sounds ambiguous.

All the population of northern Greece are Macedonians. How do you destinguish the Greeks and Slavs? Makedonsko veliczinstvo and Makedonsko menszinstvo?

the slavs are Macedonians and the hellenics are Greeks

Igor, You've just got 15 million enemies.

OH NO! I guess all the greeks will boycott Slovianski and now we've just lost that market.

Yeah. The Slavic Macedonian nationalism just wanted to profit from the famous name of Makedonija, but the most correct historical name of FYROM would probably be Pajonija. Or at least Slovjanska Makedonija, but I would not recommend this name because it would have to be updated to Albanska Makedonija some decades later.

Persnoally I like the name Vardaria (after the river).

Other suggestions: Serbulgaria, Yugoyugoslavia.

Yet one idea: since one of the main rivers of the country is Crna reka, I suggest to call it "Fiumenegro".

You guys act like using historical names to represent different people is something new and exciting.