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August 18 2009 at 4:26 PM
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Steeven 

 
SLOVIO SLOVNIK tper es dostupju na:
SLOVIO SLOVNIK tutcxas jes dostupnij na:

http://dict.slovio.com

ili

http://slovnik.slovioski.com

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Anonimnik

Re: SLOVIO SLOVNIK

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August 18 2009, 5:30 PM 

SLOVIO SLOVNIK tper es dostupju na:
SLOVIO SLOVNIK tutcxas jes dostupnij na:

http://dict.slovio.com

ili

http://slovnik.slovioski.com



Does it mean that we have 2 types of Slovio ?

Slovio / Slovioski ?

Which one ?

Or is there any other (or going to be) type of Slovio ?

How many auxiliary Slavic languages do we have by now ?

Is there anybody who would like to make some more of these artificial Slavic languages ?

Register one by one, please on :http://www.youtube.com/user/idocracy

 
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Steeven

Sxkoda-Uspeh

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August 18 2009, 5:50 PM 

Jesxte innij primer o Sxkoda-Uspehu!
Esxte inju primer o Sxkoda-Uspeh!
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Anonimnik

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August 18 2009, 6:59 PM 

Why do you write in double ?

Or do you think that the Slavs should learn those 2 langs for each other understanding ?

 
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Moraczewski

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August 18 2009, 7:09 PM 

Dear Anonimnik!

First sign your name, then stop writing bullshit and try to contribute the idea of inter-Slavic languages! Try to make it better and dont sit down drinking beer and having fun on the forum! Critisize is the only thing you are able to do? What are you doing here then?!

 
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Eugeniusx

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August 18 2009, 10:46 PM 

Zdravo Maroczewski!

We should accept any kind of criticism against our all-Slavic language idea, even that kind of - from Anonimnikis.

Most "friends" and "enemies" of Slovio are complicating Slovio by trying to reform it. Steeven and you are a good example of it.

It means, if most Slavic languages have ACTUALLY only three cases, and some only two ... letīs have only TWO!

And if all Slavic languages have three gender, letīs have three!

And if plural ending in all Slavic languages is complicated, letīs make it easy!

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The common goal should be to understand each other. No more nor less!

Today I translated a German text to a Bulgarian friend, and she did understand me:

Kto ne znajt pravda to tolk glupav, kto znajt pravda a gvorijt zxe to ne pravda to kriminalen happy.gif


 
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Anonimnik

2+3 =5

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August 18 2009, 11:09 PM 

.... if most Slavic languages have only three cases, and some only two ... letīs have FIVE, because 2+3= 5 happy.gif

 
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Anonimnik

2+3 =5

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August 18 2009, 11:10 PM 

.... if most Slavic languages have only three cases, and some only two ... letīs have FIVE, because 2+3= 5 happy.gif

 
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Re: 2+3 =5

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August 18 2009, 11:23 PM 

To nasx problem! Duzxju Anonimiki nasx ne razumijut matematika!

 
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Re: Sxkoda-Uspeh

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August 19 2009, 7:16 AM 

most Slavic languages have ACTUALLY only three cases

Which Slavic languages and which cases do you mean?

 
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Schadenfreude

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August 18 2009, 11:04 PM 

Zdrav Steeven,
ne znajm jesli Ti razumisx "Schadenfreude". Ne jest tak negativju kak Ti mislisx. Jest plus uspech i minus sxkoda happy.gif

 
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Moraczewski

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August 19 2009, 6:59 AM 

Critisizm should be constructive, and not "against everything".

As I see, you have also your own kind of Slovio, with short forms of adjectives: glupav, kriminalen. Aren't you complicating Slovio? But these forms are better to understand!

 
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anonimnik

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August 19 2009, 9:31 AM 

Moracxevski, it's because everybody writes here as he/she likes it. There are NO stable and ONLY ONE
grammar principles - neither in Slovio nor any other art-slavic lang.

If you have a look at e.g. Slovio grammar rules - there are some posibilities you can do it and it means Slovio DOESN'T HAVE FIRM AND THE ONLY GRAMMAR RULES AS THE NATURAL LANGUAGES OR OTHER ARTIFICIAL LANGUAGES HAVE (Esperanto, Ido, Interlingua, ....)

It means if there are some books published in Slovio - some of them would be written in different grammars that the others (that's the outcome of possiblity of choice in grammar).
Providing there are given some grammar aspects to recipients to choose from many then there comes out chaos out of them.

E.g. if the writer is to writes some book in Slovio which grammar rules he should keep ?

Should he use -s- or -i- in plural, -ju- or -sk- with adjectives, -ot-/-od- or (u)f with genitive
case, -uo- or (e)sk with adverbs, article -ta- is used instead of denominator ?! (there are no articles in slavic langs in majority) and you created article instead of denominator (ten, ta, to),
ending for singular nouns : -uf-, -ug-, -um- you can choose from them any you like happy.gif
etc, etc, etc.

I think there is enough chaos / misch-masch in Slovio.

P.S. and for thouse who care about if someone is "anonimnik" or not - you'd better concentrate on what is the core of the problem not if someone writes his/her name or not.
BTW. why Eugeniusx writes Anonimnik with capital letter A, hmmm... it's not a proper name happy.gif - another mistake in his grammar.

 
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anonimnik

Re: Schadenfreude

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August 19 2009, 9:31 AM 

Moracxevski, it's because everybody writes here as he/she likes it. There are NO stable and ONLY ONE
grammar principles - neither in Slovio nor any other art-slavic lang.

If you have a look at e.g. Slovio grammar rules - there are some posibilities you can do it and it means Slovio DOESN'T HAVE FIRM AND THE ONLY GRAMMAR RULES AS THE NATURAL LANGUAGES OR OTHER ARTIFICIAL LANGUAGES HAVE (Esperanto, Ido, Interlingua, ....)

It means if there are some books published in Slovio - some of them would be written in different grammars that the others (that's the outcome of possiblity of choice in grammar).
Providing there are given some grammar aspects to recipients to choose from many then there comes out chaos out of them.

E.g. if the writer is to writes some book in Slovio which grammar rules he should keep ?

Should he use -s- or -i- in plural, -ju- or -sk- with adjectives, -ot-/-od- or (u)f with genitive
case, -uo- or (e)sk with adverbs, article -ta- is used instead of denominator ?! (there are no articles in slavic langs in majority) and you created article instead of denominator (ten, ta, to),
ending for singular nouns : -uf-, -ug-, -um- you can choose from them any you like happy.gif
etc, etc, etc.

I think there is enough chaos / misch-masch in Slovio.

P.S. and for thouse who care about if someone is "anonimnik" or not - you'd better concentrate on what is the core of the problem not if someone writes his/her name or not.
BTW. why Eugeniusx writes Anonimnik with capital letter A, hmmm... it's not a proper name happy.gif - another mistake in his grammar.

 
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Moraczewski

Re: Schadenfreude

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August 19 2009, 11:11 AM 

I tried and I couldn't find anywhere in Slovio grammar, how to form short adjectives like glupav, kriminalen,... dober, dalek, whatever. These rules are known only from natural languages. That's what I like - when you write as people used to write and how they would understand better.

 
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Eugeniusx

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August 19 2009, 6:13 PM 

izvinijm, ja bil glupju, korekt jest glupju i kriminalju dla primiotnik; i glupnik i kriminalnik dla recxovnik.

 
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S.

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August 19 2009, 6:58 PM 

To Moracxevski :

I like it as well. I'd prefer shorten adjective forms (something like Ioan created in his Sloviensk).

 
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Eugeniusx

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August 19 2009, 12:34 PM 

To tolk bil ironia, Anonimnik sad.gif

 
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Re: Schadenfreude

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August 19 2009, 12:36 PM 

Nasx Anonimnik ne hce nisxta ne razumijt happy.gif

 
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Re: Schadenfreude

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August 19 2009, 12:45 PM 

razumit happy.gif

 
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Moraczewski

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August 19 2009, 8:29 PM 

And I had no irony when I told that I like this.
Down with the -ju's!

 
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August 19 2009, 9:53 PM 

I know. But I thought our Anonimniks need some kind of simplification. Although Slovio is not free of short adjectivs... The salt in the soup of languages ...

 
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S.

simplified grammar

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August 19 2009, 10:03 PM 

To Moraczewski :

I fully agree with you.

It would more simplify the language if there are almost no endings with adjectives (just basic forms of words)or just some slavic ending e.g. -sk- when noun stands as adjectives or becomes adjective standing alone - komputersk, otherwise without -sk- : komputer igra (PC game).
Everybody knows what "komputer" is as well as "igra" so when we put together these 2 nouns it is
definitely understandable that the first of them is adjective.

It is obvious from the sentence or text what is adjective and noun (that's why there is no article needed for nouns as well.)

 
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S.

Re: simplified grammar

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August 19 2009, 10:13 PM 

From Sloviensk :


ADJEKTIVI - Adjectives

Finala - ending : natural form / when standing alone / adjective from noun sk / isk (when a word ends up with sk)

pekn - pretty, dobr - good, bistr - quick, interesant - interesting, slab - weak, siln - powerful, term warm, nov - new, zvezda noc - stary night, term diferencia - termal difference, polarsk - polar, palivsk combustible, mizer - bad

Zem gravitacia - Earth gravitation, Mesic svit/ luc - moon shine, den tiket - daily ticket, komputer igra - computer game, televizia program - television programme, Sever Polar Cirk - Arctic circle, priam translacia priamy prenos, more breg - sea coast

 
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S.

adjectives

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August 19 2009, 10:24 PM 

If we create some basic forms of adjectives then we don't need any adjective endings (not with adjectival nouns). Just let's get rid of what is different in gender, plurals and cases)

e.g. if there is adjective : krasivaja (russian) then the basic form in "krasiv" that is unchangable.

Ending - aja is changable in case, gender and plural, so we won't use it any more.

Then just "krasiv" left and we can work with this root on, e.g. "krasiv priroda"- nice nature, "krasiv dieva" - nice girl, etc.
After creating all the basic forms of adjectives we can apply them for everything without adding any special ending.

 
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S.

slovio slovnik or slovioju slovnik ?

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August 19 2009, 11:02 PM 

SLOVIO SLOVNIK tper es dostupju na:
SLOVIO SLOVNIK tutcxas jes dostupnij na: ......


Even this I would simplify onto : DOSTUP (without -ju, or -nij)

BTW. If there is "SLOVIO SLOVNIK" that should be correctly SLOVIOJU SLOVNIK then why not DOSTUP ?



 
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Moraczewski

Re: slovio slovnik or slovioju slovnik ?

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August 20 2009, 12:51 AM 

If I was speaking Russian, I would say: "slovar' Slovio", I can't make any adjective ending to this word by means of Russian grammar. I think, the same problem in other Slavic languages. And if it is so, why to make something against what you are used to?

 
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Dusxan

ending -io

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August 20 2009, 6:22 AM 

according to Slovio grammar ending -io stands for language and is the same for a noun, adjective or adverb. Thus there is no need to change anything.

LANGUAGE (noun, adjective, adverb)
-io = LANGUAGE. This ending -io signifies a language, and can remain the same in the noun, adjective or adverb form. Examples: Bulgar, Bulgario (Bulgarian language); Rus, Rusio (Russian language), German, Germanio (German language), Anglo, Angloio (English language), slov, Slovio (the word-language). Another longer way to say the same thing is this: Germanju jazika = German language = Germanio; Rusju jazika Russian languge = Rusio; Angloju jazika = English language = Angloio.

http://www.slovio.com/1/0.slovio/index.html

 
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Anonimnik

Re: ending -io

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August 20 2009, 8:50 AM 

Why - jazika - ?

Everybody has -jazik-.

 
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Anonimnik

Re: ending -io

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August 20 2009, 8:52 AM 

How is Esperanto ?

Esperantoio ?

 
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Anonimnik

Re: slovio slovnik or slovioju slovnik ?

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August 20 2009, 8:57 AM 

I could be SLOVNIK SLOVIO but vice versa the word / noun SLOVIO represents here adjective.

Well, SLOVNIK SLOVIO but SLOVIOJU SLOVNIK.


P.S. SLOVNIK OT / OD SLOVIO - genitive

SLOVIOJU SLOVNIK - (2 nouns in a row whereby the first becomes adjective)

 
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Anonimnik

Re: slovio slovnik or slovioju slovnik ?

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August 20 2009, 9:00 AM 

The same :

Staro-slavijanskij slovnik NOT Staro-slavian slovnik

Glagolickij slovnik NOT Glagolica slovnik

Ruskij slovnik NOT Rusija / Rosija slovnik

Polskij slovnik NOT Polska slovnik

 
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Anonimnik

Esperantio

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August 20 2009, 2:44 PM 

Esperanto: esperantio.
Li gvorite esperantio?
Imam esperantio slovnek.
Esperantio gramatia es velm prostju.

 
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Anonimnik

Re: Esperantio

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August 20 2009, 6:39 PM 

OK, but the root of the noun is ESPERANTO, not ESPERANT, so you shouldn't change the root because you have language ending -io. happy.gif

 
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