Does anybody know about Gamo's new Extreme Hunter which offers 1600 fps muzzle velocity?What is it all about ? Is it a new piston mechanism or what??Or Can we see a lot stronger ones in the
near future? I wolud love to have your opinions on this level of velocity in an airrifle?For instance they do not give the weight of at the Gamo USA site and the details of the spring....etc
Thank you all in advance.
By the way, I am proud of my Mag.350,but still a power freak...))
Hello,
use the normally closed system of the hunter 1250, but don´t take the metal-power stick before the spring.
Than don´t take the spring from Gamo ,take the XS Titan Main Spring with 40 cm length, the same spring, which belongs to the Webley&Scott, Modell Patriot.
Than you´ll get your 1600 feet / second
George, I have a Gamo Hunter and could only get 880 fps in .177 alittle dissapointing I think, will I get more power out of the Webley Patriot spring and will it fit without any modification?
If you look at the gamousa website you will see that it says there this gun will do 1200 fps with lead pellets and 1600 with their PBA (Performance Ballistic Alloy) pellets. So the huge boost in velocity touted is from the pellet itself. Doesnt look like anything new powerplant wise. Here is a link to the info. Pellets are at the beginning and the gun toward the bottom.
What's the use of extremely light pellets going so fast, they will lose 90% of their impact power after the first 10 yards ... (or something like that)
Velocity is 100% meaningless, unless you have a pellet weight to match.
If you want real power, either get a Gamo hunter 1250 in 5,5 mm (27 foot pound at the muzzle) or a Webley Patriot (Beeman Kodiak) in 6,35 mm )
I bought a second hand patriot, gasram and seal will be here tomorrow since the original spring and seal are totally crapped out ...
It now shoots at only 12 foot pounds, and already it goes through 450 pages of telephone book with these huge 30 grain pellets, i can't wait to find out what it will do when it is up to 28-30 foot pounds ...
I also have a diana 350 magnum at 4,5mm, does 20 foot pounds, but is just an extremely good looking rifle, and still pretty powerfull, but not in the same league as the patriot and Gamo hunter 1250 (The gamo hunter sucks ass though, shot it, hated it)powerwise ... Maybe a 5,5 mm packs a bigger punch, but those 6,35 pellets are truely awesome
Couldn't agree with you more. I have a .25 Kodiak that I am sending out for the gas ram and awaiting a walnut stock. I also have a .25 Xocet, .25 Supersport and a .25 DAQ conversion for a 2240 crosman. Love em. Also have an RWS 52 in .22, RWS 54 in .177 etc etc etc. Have a great day.
As they said it is a scam from gamos side! we have chronied a beautifull Diana 54 doing 946fps with the heavy 10.5grain 177 pellets and also 1406 fps with some really light prometheus pellets. It went of with a BANG! But as all the Diana 54 owners know( or any owner with a magnum spring gun),the light pellets is unaccurate and unstable at those velocities. I only use H & N Extra Heavy Barracuda 10.65gr(Beeman Kodiak) and CP Heavy 10.5gr in my 54 and they are awesome,and I guarantee you that not only do they shoot less than a inch at 40 meters but they also will pack more than 3 times the hitting power at 40 meters than the ultra light super fast 5-6,5gr pellets.
Has any 54 owners tried the JSB Exact Heavy 10,2gr pellets?
Also, i really wouldnt want to shoot with those extreme light pellets too often, i cant imagine it being good for the spring and piston, especially the magnum springers. (too little resistance, no air cussion)
First,thank you all for your very informative answers.But ý have one question.Is magnum 350 that weak in power compared to
Webley Patriot( BEEMAN KODIAK)?And what does patriot weigh?kgs r lbs?I am talking about single cocking mechanisms.By the way forgive me for my ignorance in advance.
I acually already have a magnum 350 and would fancy having a stronger one wiyhout much weight since ý have a back problem (Disc problem in my back, a bulging disc) and that's why I can carry a heavy gun long distances or with me in open air walks..(
Anyway What would be the best gun after 350 powerwise guys??
so powerwise, 1st > Gamo hunter 1250 at 27 foot pounds 5,5
2nd > Webley & scott patriot at 28/30 ft/p BUT in 6,35 mm AND with a Theoben Gasram so if the gamo was made in 6,35 i think it would be a tad more powerfull then the Patriot
3rd> Diana 350 magnum
Thing is though, that the Webley & Scott Patriots/Beeman Kodiak are no longer made, MAYBE production will start again in 6 months
The GAMO Hunter, well, It's a Gamo, and doesnt compare to either Diana or Webley & Scott in quality, really ... And its BUTT ugly, but taste differs off course ...
And the main advantage the webley has over the diana is that it is made in 6,35, the bigger the caliber the more efficient the energy transfer is.
Anyways, i think from the three the Diana 350 magnum is still the best pick, it's the lightest of the three, and cocks very easily compared to the webley and gamo...
From what i've read its the most accurate to, plus its definately the prettiest gun EVER ... (taste differs, but she is a beauty compared to the other bulky two)
The best magnum springer ever made was the Air Arms Pro Elite, but sadly also no longer in production, but if you can get a hold of one second hand, do it!
Also check out http://www.reviewcentre.com for user reviews of almost every airgun made ... (take some of them with a pinch of salt though, "crows at 100 meters" hmm..i doubt it..
The diana 350 magnum in 5,5 mm will do just fine for hunting, altough the Webley Patriot 6,35 mm would be 'better' suited because of the bigger pellets and tremendous knockdown, if it werent that its a bit heavier and cocks way heavier ...
I've now put over 1000 of these pellets through 5 different guns with quantitative measurements of velocity and group size. I've also made direct comparisons with 5 other traditional pellet designs in each of these shooting platforms. I am in the process of doing penetration test and then will post the results on my site. I've also used these pellets in the field for hunting, and I would not discount them out of hand .... I don't know how necassary they are... but they do work .... and in some guns very well.
It is clearly stated that these pellets are only for hunting so it would follow there would be a limit on how many would be fed through the typical gun during a season, I've put around 500 through a single gun trying to test to failure and not there yet .... no adverse effects noted.
Probabbly worth getting some practical experience before draing a conclussion
Tom as we know is an expert on airguns reviewed the Gamo CF-X using several pellets including the 5 grain raptors. I am sure we will see more tests but here is his results.
I definitely agree with the prior assessments. Stability COULD be achieved with the right pellet design at those velocities. That is very similar to .17 caliber rimfire out of a handgun length barrel. However the pellet is still much lighter. A bullet design would probably prove more stable at those speeds but that doesn't help the pounding on the gun. And for what gain? Very little energy downrange as stated. Give me a big bore or a heavy pellet in a small bore anytime. Same argument has been around the firearms world forever too.
Mainly due to different shapes. I would think the shock associated with going super-sonic and then, again, back to sub-sonic would have a different effect on a waisted diablo pellet than, say, a boat-tail .17 caliber rifle bullet.
Just about all of the posts I have seen where shooters have tested the ultra-light pellets report poor accuracy. Some even too poor for hunting airgun sized game. What is most important in any hunting is the ability to hit the vital kill zone, if you will. A miss at 1600 fps miss is not better than one at 900.
What this poster needs, with that bad back (and I have a bit of one, although not that severe) is a gun with suitable power and not a lot of weight. I suspect his long 350 puts considerable strain on his lower back. What does the new Benjamin discovery weigh? If he is up to pumping or can load it from a tank before going afield, he might do well to check one out. I think you can get about sixty or seventy usable shots with one filling.
The only other more powerful springer than the Diana 350 (or 460) is the Beeman Kodiak or Webley Patriot which is the same gun. Those guns are 1.5+lbs heavier than the 350 and put out an extra 4 ft-lbs (FPE) of energy. The Gamo Hunter has the same power as a 350 but is not as good as a German made 350 in quality, finish, trigger (too heavy), etc.
There is no 350 that shoots 1,250fps with any lead pellet. That's all advertising gimicks like everyone else said. An average 350 .22 shoot 14.X grain pellets (Premiers or 14.6gr Beeman FTS, 14.5gr Superdomes, etc.) between 840-850fps. Strong ones, well put together 350's at the factorry will shoot 850-880fps. Mine was 850-860 between 1,000-2,200 pellets and then went down 15-20fps because it needed lubes and a tune), but Phil's is 860-880(!) which is >24ft-lbs.
If it's power you want a 350 .22 will do fine for 99% of what you plan on using it for where power is required. It rewards you with 22-24FPE with most pellets. I know because I 've tested mine with a chronograph (chrony) as have others. 350 .22's are usually 2FPE more powerful than the .177 350 version.
If you want more power, send your 350 out for a good power tune. Our 350's need to be tuned anyway to tame the "rough" shot cycle and reduce the stresses exerted upon the spring and piston and other parts, that is inherent with all that power. They also come very dry from the factory and should be lubed internally between 1,000-1,500 shots. Mine was bone dry when it was opened up after 2,700 shots. With the right custom fabricated parts in your 350, it will shoot most pellets with 25-26 ft-lbs of Muzzle Energy (ME) with a better shot cycle than stock and you will love it even more. You will even be able to use heavier pellets like the 18.2gr Crow Magnums and 21gr Kodiaks with better efficiency (less stress internally) and faster of course.
I don't really see a need to spend a lot more $ on an English Patriot or Kodiak or buy a new Turkish-made Patriot which needs to be tuned anyway, unless you really want a .25cal rifle. I 'm considering putting a .25cal. barrel on a 2nd tuned-for-power 350, once one of the guys here that 's tunning my gun right now, figures out all the details and converts one of his 350's to .25cal, but that all depends on how it works out for him, if, if.. and the results, we 'll see. I wouldn't mind owning a .25cal and I think the 350 is a very good platform for it with its long compression chamber.
good analysis did these (Storm and Gen) give you the need to read and respond in your way?
these two or three bloggers have an insight that we OLD people do not, we answer with what we know but they are punching the envelope here and pushing BIG time in the capacity of what these air guns are capable
the next generation of air gun apprentices will AMAZE US with what they will be able to do
warren
PS: new blood means new ideas and new innovations
and remember "it's 30% the gun and 70% the shooter"
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