Could anyone tell me how to adjust the 3 ball bearing trigger on a mod 24d, there are 2 screws in front of the trigger blade.I dont want to touch them until I know what they do. Thanks for any advice.
one is only set screw to lock adjustment.
the other is the adjusting screw. if the trigger does not feel right, it my have been maladjusted by mistake.
oct2002 airgun illustrated states that the front screw is the locking screw. lossen this, then tighten the rear screw fully, do not force. back out one and 3/4 turns. try trigger with pellet in gun, muzzle in controled direction.
make minute changes after that, then lock trigger adjustment with locking screw. if you cant get satisfactory trigger,you have internal problems .. DO NOT DISSESEMBLE TRIGGER PARTS.. only the most expert airgunsmith can handle this type trigger. called "balls of death" no joke.
wishing you the best tom horn
i believe that the second screw changes sear engagement.
make changes slowly,as there is a very small "sweet spot"
to these triggers. when you find acceptable trigger, make
sure you tighten the locking screw. d24 is a very nice
plinker,easy to shoot all day. i have a d45 original, other
end of scale. heavy, long, high cocking effort, and more
power than nessesary, but very accurate.
happy shooting, tom horn
Cheers Tom,
I'll try it at the weekend. Yes, its a lovely gun. infact mine is an Original 24
made in 1966, When I got it the trigger was not working so I was very lucky to source a scrap .22 diana with the 3 ball unit. It has a gorgeous stock, much more refined that the later models. I also found an Original scope off ebay which I had to have repaired and reparalaxed but well worth it.I've just been out plinking with it. A real pleasure.
Let me start by saying I do NOT own a model 24D or any other of the more recent models. But I believe the trigger adjustments are the same as the classic older models that I have many of.
It's important to understand that you can only adjust one thing: the point at which the trigger pull changes from the first-stage pull, to the second-stage pull. You CAN NOT directly adjust the pull weight or sear engagement. When the trigger is correctly set, you will feel a smooth light first stage, followed by heavier crisp second stage (i.e. very little sensation of further trigger motion), before the trigger releases. If you already have this, then don't mess with the adjustment.
The true adjuster screw is the rear one. The front one only serves to lock it in place. The adjustment procedure is:
1. Turn front screw out (counter-clockwise) to loosen it.
2. Turn rear screw out for a longer first stage/shorter second. Turn it in (clockwise) for a shorter first stage/longer second. Go slow, in 1/4 turn increments, cock and shoot the gun after each adjustment to test.
3. When you're happy, turn front screw back in to re-lock it.
NOTE--it is possible to turn the screw in so far that your pull is "all second stage," i.e. heavy and rough, with no feel for the let-off point. It is also possible to turn it out so far that it's "all first stage," light but spongy and again, no feel for the let-off point. Again, getting the right transition point is the object of the exercise.
My pleasure, hope it worked! Thanks for your reply.
So your gun is a model 25D? (Your initial post said model 24, but that is a later design). The trigger in the 25D is exactly the same as in the old models 27, 35, and 50, so the adjustments I described should be correct.
I've just had the magnifying glass out......The gun is an Original 24 .177 serial no. 741051 date stamped 03 68. I got it with a non adjustable trigger with the saftey missing and not engaging on cocking. I got hold of a scrap Diana Mod 24D .22 no serial no. but date stamped 12 81. This of course had the 3 ball trigger unit which I just swopped over complete along with the piston. So thats the anomilly! When its all settled in I shall chrono it, what should the ft/lb be on this model in good working order?
Cheers!
According to Jon Walter's THE AIRGUN BOOK (3rd Edition) p. 128, " ...made its debut in March 1984, whereupon many of the older M&G junior rifles were discontinued. Its features include a nylon piston seal, an adjustable-travel trigger, a semi-automatic safety system asapted from the LG45 and a new type of pistol-gripped stock...has the standard adjustable tangent-type back sight, shared with the LP5G and LP6G pistols, and a hooded front sight. Regrettably, the efficient ramp for optical sights has been replaced by short grooves cut into the top of the receiver, and the butt has no butt plate. L7G lists the LG24 muzzle velocity as 175 m/sec in 4.5mm calibre and 150 m/sec in 5.5mm (575 ft/sec and 490 ft/sec respectively)...Length 41.7"...weight 5.95 lbs...Safety: a button on the rear of the receiver must be reset manually before firing."
Hi Nikos
Yup that description fits perfectly, especialy the sights. the irons are pretty damn primitive adjustable only in the in the horizontal plane by drifting! The trigger unit is classy.Thanks for the m/v figures.Whats this book,who publishes it.I have recently got hold of a 60's walther LG51 and would like to find out more about it....is it listed?
Cheers
Erskine
None of the four editions of John Walter's THE AIRGUN BOOK contain much on the Walther LG 51. These STACKPOLE BOOKS and ARMS & ARMOUR PRESS publications appeared from 1981 to 1987.
According to THE BLUE BOOK OF AIRGUNS (Fifth Edition) the LG 51 was manufactured in 1951-53. Weight 5.7 lbs in .177 cal only in both rifled and smoothbore versions. Prices today range from US$ 200.00 to $US$ 50.00, depending on condition. [Telling from the B&W picture shown, the LG 51 appears similar to a post-WWII Diana/Original/Milbro Mod. 25].
The info below on the Walther LG 51 comes from SMITH'S STANDARD ENCYCLOPEDIA OF GAS, AIR & SPRING GUNS OF THE WORLD, by W.B. Smith (Castle Books, New York 1957, 279 p.), page 248:
"All air rifles made by Walther are merely modifications of their original M51 series, the arm with which they reentered the field of arm manufacture after the close of World War II...Velocity is 175 m/sec [574 m/sec] ... [with] accuracy slightly better than the German Krico and the British B.S.A. and equalling the British Webley Mark III...targets shot Walther air rifles...[showed] 50 shots grouped in a single hole. At no time and with no rifle has this author been able to duplicate this feat; and an examination of the mass of time-interval and f.p.s. readings reported herein, made on checked chronographs, and with control tests, will indicate the velocity variability commonly encountered [NOTE: Remember that this was published 49 years ago in 1957!]...While these Walthers are mechanically only advanced forms of the cheaper barrel cockers, they do unquestionably have built into them to as high a degree as is attainable in a spring-air arm, the materials, engineering, and experience which has placed Walther products high in the scale of quality arms."
Finally, in THE COLLECTOR's GUIDE TO AIR RIFLES (4th Edition) by Dennis E Hiller (1985), in the section about the Walther LG 53ZD/M and LG 55, it mentions the LG 51 (page 211), as follows:
"It would appear that the Model LG 51Z was available at the same time as the above but sold with the rearsight fitted and without the aperture sight...the "Z" suffix stood for Zuge meaning grooves, i.e. a rifled barrel. The Model 53 was an improved version of the previous Model 51. The mail improvement being in the sights."
Thats great information, I only know its a 51 because that is what the seller told me it was. It has no Brand marking, only a serial number 108746 stamped on the breach. It totaly matches an lgv 51 mechanical schemeatic I managed to get hold of. It is incredibly well made, the rifleing is very well done, all in all its quality peice of enineering. It has a sporter stock with an adjustable aperature front sight and a spring rear: adjustable for windage and elevation. I need to get a scssor spring for the trigger mechanism. Any leads?
Thanks for taking the time to read up on it for me.
Niko, Thanks..... I just paid a gun dealer £2.00 for exact sheme that he photocopied and posted!!! I'll try to get some decent photo's of it with in a week and post a link. Do these guys post to europe? 25$ min order...they're clearly businessmen! Brilliant contact.
Cheers
Yes, the minimum order is steep -- I know -- as I have had to order more than I really needed in order to cover the minimum. Yes, they did ship to Europe (France) and I don't suppose that air gun parts' shipping to UK will pose any probrems. Just order as much as you may think will need in one go; it saves on shipping, as well.
Lovely air rifles those Walthers. I have the LP 53 air pistol and after some practice I hit now coke cans (filled with water) at 50m distance, off-hand. It usually takes three sighter shots before I can score a direct hit. Then, it is hit-hit-hit-miss-miss-hit-hit etc., all day long.
Hi Nikos,
Do Earls get back to you with prices as none are listed?
Here is a picture of my 51:
Being so close to Germany it should be easy for you to pick one up surely?
Erskine
Write to Earl's and ask for parts availability and prices
July 7 2006, 12:45 AM
Erskine,
Many thanks for the picture of your Walther LG 51. Lovely!
Re Earl's Walther Service, simply write from you Outlook, or similar, email address as Hotmail, GMail and Yahoo addresses are treated as junk mail. Answers may be sent after a week or so. During summer, less frequently, I'm afraid. Just write once a week and see if you get a reply. Insist. It took me a month from ordering to receiving (US-to-France, not a while ago.
Indeed, I have found lots of nice airguns at eGun Auctions, a German site with English text. Easy to use with lots of vintage Dianas, Walthers,HWs, FWBs and Kricos coming up every now and then. Most sellers don't ship outside Germany, though
