The 7 is usually the right one. I had to get a Beeman 5032, it's also a one pece fixed drooper it looks just like the BKL but has 4 screws and a stop pin. It is predrooped to .033"
I would go with the .007 model as that is not that much, if you buy one of these mounts please share the expirience here about it, I feel the BKL if it would hold with the 6 mounting screws is a pretty good answer to mounting a scope on a RWS gun then.
My RWS450 with the C-mount (1-piece) keeps coming loose on my 350. I would definitely like to replace both.
Randy: Have you tried a new scope out that hasn't broken yet?
What's a good place to order the BKL mounts that has decent prices? I 'm pretty sure the RWS C-mount has 2 stop pins. Does the BKL 7 also have 2? There are 2 female stop holes on the rail of the 350 if I remember correctly when I mounted it (it was only 3 days ago but my brain is not working right now - been reading tons of information on forums.. can't store any more data, it's full, LOL).
What is the .004 & .007" droop that the scope compensates for? Where does the airgun have "droop"? Can someone explain that please?
Why couldn't BKL add 1 stop pin to this scope? It wouldn't cost too much more $ to add.. Well I guess the stop screw in the back of the rail on my RWS 350 is fairly large but I 'm not sure I trust it. The 6 screws on the BKL 260 mount should hold it in place I would think. So I take this mount does not have any windage adjustments like the RWS 1-piece C mount? I kind of like that. Most of the tiny screws on that mount came loose on my new RWS350 only after 30-40 shots. Now 1 one of the gimbals seem to be broken on it. I hate those tiny little screws. Have of them are stripped already.
Anyone try this BKL 260 mount out on a Magnum or SuperMagrun springer yet? I need to get a better mount.
The gun barrel is not completely straight or parallel with the scope/mount rail. I would expect them to measure that in degrees, not inches.
I had to adjust the RWS 1-piece mount by raising the back ring 1.5 turns as recommended in the RWS mount manual, to compensate for the droop in the barrel. I would say 0.007" is definitely NOT enough on the BKL260-D7. That 1.5 turn on the bottom half ring looks like it raised the back of the scope at least 0.05" without using a gap tool. The POI was almost on target at 20yds. I only had to make slight elevation adjustments on the scope. The scope is visibly tilted downwards at first glance on my RWS 350 rifle. I don't think you 'd be able to notice .007" (7/1000th's of an inch) with the naked eye unless you stared at it long enough. It might require like 50+ clicks on the scope to get the POI elevated at 20-25yds, assuming it has that much adjustability, no?
I would say .007 is very little, back in the late 1990's I had a RWS 34 and bought the C mount back then. The mount they had then had two stop screws in it and the mount was adjustable for windage and elevation. The Elevation was achieved by having the rings mounted to where they slipped in the ends of the mount and were held by the cap screws. I used loc tite on all of the screws, I put the rear ring up as high as it would go, the mount would not hold elevation adjustment, the front ring would hammer backwards and the rear ring would tip and go back down. Even with the rear ring up all the way I could only get the scope within say 3" of being centered at about 15 yards. This is why I am so interested in the BKL mount, I purchased a .007 mount and since I am using it on a model 52 I figure I should be good on my elevation, my concern is whether a BKL mount can hold with out stop pins. My mount should be here this week, I am going to try a Bushnell Trophy and am not holding out much faith that it will hold up, since I got the scope at a great price all I can do is use it now and if it breaks it is back to Bushnell with it. These magnum guns are tough on scopes and mounts both from what I have seen now over the last 20 years I have owned these guns. I am going to give my report on the BKL mount and the Trophy scope as well as soon as I get them mounted and have shot enough rounds to see what the end result will be.
I just bought my first Diana, and have been using it for a month. I could not believe how accurate this rifle is with open sights. Now, I have placed a RWS scope on the gun with the packaged c mounts. The gun shot really low at 10 yards. I was shocked. I then took a piece of Duck tape folded it over and punched it into the little hole in front of the rear stop screw. Now the gun is accurate at up to 1/2 inch of the bulls eye at 35 yards with no problem, (prone and sitting position) except to have to tighten the scope and mount screws every 15 shots. You obviously love you rife as you are purchasing a new classic upgrade to this fine gun. My question, is. what advice can you give me to take care of my rifle and to appreciate it as much as you love the service yours gave you.
Like how will this scope hold up with the c mounts etc.
Thank in advance
do you have Dave? The screws on my RWS 1-pice mount keep coming loose every 15 shots as well, but now I have stripped a couple of them after tightening them all the time and the scope is loose and can't do anything about it. I can't wait to get a new mount. I have the new RWS mount (only got my 350 combo a week ago - new) that has adjustable windage as well as elevation. You may have the same mount. If you do check the instructions it came with. It says to loosen up/unscrew (raise from when they are tight) the rear C-ring 1.5 turns up, and the front ring 1/2 turn up and then mount the scope and the locking rings. That worked out very well for me and I was within only 1/2" below the bullseye at 15yds. I then moved back to 20yds and the shots were almost 1/4" below bullseye so I took care of that with the scope dial adjustments.
I have the two c mounts that came with the gun. I adjusted the elevation on the front piece so many times, it was frustrating. I was looking for a new mount so I called Umarex and the girl told me about a special one piece mount that was doing well with RWS rifles. But she advised me to shim the drop pin which I did with the duck tape. It is holding up well.
I notice that RWS is now advertising their rifles with "NEW" scopes. RWS 4-12x50 Ci Illuminated MilDot-reticle(R12) Airgun Scope. Do you know anything about these scopes or who makes them? With ARS technology.
Also I notice on air cobra this b-square B-SQUARE Scope Mount
17101 AA 1in 1 Piece
Finely machined and tooled mounts. Much less likely to "crunch" the scope tube. The euro-style wrap-around ring design virtually eliminates overtightening problems leading to broken scopes. This particular model is adjustable. You can compensate for barrel droop using the built-in adjustments.
One piece mounts allow for the maximum holding power virtually eliminating scope creep and broken scopes. We recommend this scope mount for any airgun with barrel droop or anytime you want one of the finest mounts available. Highly recommended for use with RWS rifles.
I was all set to buy a 350. but after reading so much about the scope problems I am going to hold off, until I start to see some kind of solution. Either that or just decide to use the open sites that come with the gun.
Dave:
I 'm not sure what the Umarex lady meant. Unless it just came out this week or last.. Ask for model #'s! I believe RWS only makes 1 model 1-piece mount and that's the one I have with the little screws that keep coming loose. It has elevation and windage adjustments. I only bought my 350 combo 9 days ago and that's what it came with. I gave up on it now because it won't hold any kind of grouping and it 's shooting all over the place when it's not solid. It was fine the first 30-40 shots. I was getting every other pellet on the bullseye at 20yds. After the first windage screw came loose (and even the ring screws that hold the scope!) that was it, downhill from there. I could only get off 10 shots maybe before things came loose again but now it's done with. I 'm pretty sure I have a broken gimball now which at the base of the ring because one of the windage screws just keeps turning now and won't tighten.
I would really like to get a non-adjustable 1 piece mount so I don't have to deal with those little jam and windage screws, preferably with a fixed droop.
I would not recommend the 17101 because it will only take a scope with up to 40mm obj. lens. You should be looking at the B-Square 17701 instead which is a high mount and can take up to 50+mm lens scopes. A couple of people here have it and said they are happy with it. Basically what I 'm convinced of, is that if you own a 350, you need to get a very sturdy mount that doesn't allow for any movement at all. These little tiny screws they have inside the base of the rings to adjust windage and the jam screws that hold the windage screws in place are usually the problem and can't take the 350's 2-way recoil pounding. Plus they have these gimballs inside that have "free floating action" which call for trouble. We need more (non-adjustable) mounts out there with various fixed drooping #'s. Non-adjustable mounts would be more solid and not have to worry about 8 additional tiny screws. From all the research I 've done it looks like the droop needed for a 350 is about 0.025" 0.035". Beeman makes a fixed mount with 0.030" drooping but it only has 2 screws per ring and its limited to a 40mm lens scope. I would not buy a mount unless it had 4 screws per ring to hold the scope in tightly. With that said I 'm looking at this BKL mount: http://www.straightshooters.com/bkl/bkl260d71pcmedfixed6screw.html
with the modest 0.007" fixed droop but I 'm waiting for Randy to report his findings on it first
I read in another forum that the scope required a lot more elevation adjustments with this mount on a 350, and that it's not good to adjust the scope so much because they shoot better when the adjustments are near the "center". Too much deviation they said puts the lens off center where it's not optimal and things may even get distorted when there is great deviation in the scope adjustments. Oh well, I have to make a decision soon because I like this gun and want to start using it more. The 350 shoots well with open sites but you 'll need a fair amount of practice especially when shooting offhand.
I agree with every thing you said. On my 34, the bolts on the mount had to be tighten every 15 shots. Yesterday I went out and shot maybe 50 times and the damn thing is still tight. Go figure?
I am looking at getting the 350 or maybe the 460, as I told you, and even maybe the 48 all in a 22.ca. I went to Pro Bass Shop the yesterday, and held the model 54, what a beauty. But a very heavy Bute, I mean like 10lbs heavy, so that gun is out of the question.
Harry, have you seen the review of the Bam x30 modeled after the 350? I might try this gun, for $165.00 until I make up my mind. Let me know what happens with your scope delima.
The B30 they say it's a copy of the RWS 48. It 's also side lever cocked. The 350 is break-barrel. I 've never heard of Xisico. Is it another Chinese company? They usually try to make copies.. The B30 and 40 don't seem as powerful as the 48 though (and definitely not the 350). It shoots low to mid-700's in .22 which is respectable but.. the superdome that they tested in the $290 B40, leaves the barrel of a 48 40fps faster and the 48 can reach velocities of 800-850fps with most light to medium sized (like Crossman Premier) pellets. You can actually buy a 48 for the same price as the 12 pound(!) B40. That's way too heavy IMO.
Copycats scare me a little unless it's a company that's been around for a long time with a solid reputation of reliability in their guns. Besides you 're talking to someone who was looking at the Beeman RX2 ($500+ SuperMagnum) and I was even considering the Theoben Eliminator (the king of springers w/26-28 FTE!) that's around $1K, but then I thought explaining to my wife that I spent a grand on a single air rifle would have been impossible and would have resulted in a major fight so it wasn't worth it
My Tomahawk has the 263 medium double strap mounts and will take a scope up to a 45mm objective. The 260 you're looking at is also a medium mount and should take a scope of similar size. Same family of mounts - mine is just a 2-piece. Specs are the same. Not sure where you heard it will only take a 40?
Get the 260D7 and you'll be fine - at least as far as the mount goes.
"but I'll be needin' that gun, fer squirrels and such."
Hi Harry, I don't own the 350 yet, I just recently bought this 52 I am mentioning this summer used and have went through the whole gun and it is shooting very well. After many years now this summer was a deciding factor with the price of fuel to drive to the gun range made me decide to get back into airguns ounce again. With the resources like these forums now and stuff I feel it is great to be able to communicate with other gun owners and find out as much as possible about what works and what won't. I will though for shure give a detailed report about the BKL mount, I am very skeptical, for one even though it has 6 mounting screws that is a lot of clamping force, but these guns as you know also have a strange firing behavior that tends to hammer stuff which in turn could loosen a mount or cause it to slide on the receiver rail. Your 350 may have more recoil though than my 52 this is something I can't tell because I don't have a 350, but if this mount proves out, why it would be worth considering and I ordered mine from straight shooters, they sent a email right away and next thing I seen it was shipped, so they seem to be a good company so far to deal with. Probably be early next week will know how good the scope and mount do.
I was into airguns a lot when I was younger. I used to buy a couple of boxes of BB's and .177 pellets once a month. The driving factor was probably the large town owned wooded areas lake/reservoir a few hundred feet away from my parents house. Then of course the natural progression was to get into firearms which I purchased as soon as I turned 18, and started going hunting with my friends regularly. So the airguns were put away until they were almost completely forgotten. I would use an pump air rifle every couple of years just to shoot a squirrel when I was really bored or in the off-season. Got married, had kids, priorities changed, my friends did the same, so eventually the firearms were even forgotten too and not fired once since my late 20's, except for the .22 rimfire once in a while which I used to shoot a groundhog (we got tons of them in this area now) once a year maybe. Discharging a firearm unfortunately became illegal in my town a few years ago as they started building it out more and houses popped up all around my 1 acre property that was pretty secluded before. Naturally I stopped using the .22 rimfire around my property all together in favor of staying out of jail and not to upset any of my new neighbors. Luckily part of my property is wooded in the back of my house and goes up a small hill, part of which I own, so they can't built on it. That is the only direction I can shoot now without endangering the neighboring homes which are about 50yds in either side of my house. Years went by and now at 40yrs of age I also got a big urge to get into airguns again after I saw how much powerful spring-piston rifles have become and how much information there is out there on the Internet to help me make the right decisions. The main driving factor was also all the small animals that have moved into my property and the neighborhood in the last few years, as a result of them losing their habitat to large realestate and construction companies that are putting up houses and condos in the sorrounding area, dramatically reducing the wooded areas. Unfortunately that also brought a large herd of deer onto my property and they dine on my grass, flowers and bushes all the time every night after 11pm, but I can't touch them. Maybe one of those Quackenbush .50cal or 9mm custom PCP air rifles will take care of the deer since I can't shoot a firearm but I hear Mr. Quackenbush is so busy making rifles there is 1-2yr waiting list!
To get back to the topic, the 350 kicks like a "mule". Almost as much as my 30-30 Marlin centerfire! So I hope we find the right mount and scope out there to last a few years
