| RWS 94 Scope MountSeptember 13 2007 at 9:09 PM | Plink27 (no login) from IP address 70.111.249.57 |
| - Have a couple of Dianas but just picked up a RWS Model 94 (made in Spain). My Dianas have a raised scope mount rail with a stop pin hole. The RWS 94 does not. Just has shallow slots built into the barrel top and no hole for a stop pin. Anyone have a 94 with scope. If so, what scope mount did you use and how did you handle the lack of a stop pin hole. Should I just use RWS C mount and not use the stop pin feature. Any advice/how to set it up instuctions appreciated. Thanks much. Plink27 |
| | Author | Reply | Billy Bob (no login) 98.200.62.205 | I have a 94. Love it. My 2nd. one. I think | September 14 2007, 3:56 PM |
they are great guns. You can likely use a one piece Accushot mount (made by Leaper's). Less than 20 bucks @ Pyramid Air. My scope/mount set-up holds without using the stop pin. My 94's didn't have enough droop to cause a problem for sighting in, but that can depend on the scope. I'm using Legend 5-15x40 MD. Great scope!
If you think droop is a problem, then try the BKL 260-D7 mount. It has built in droop and you will not have to mess with adjusting the mount. It will hold without stop pins (6 clamp screws). The RWS C-mount will not hold up in my experience. Don't waste your time.
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| Plink27 (no login) 70.111.249.57 | RWS 94 Scope Mount | September 14 2007, 5:36 PM |
I tried out some shots today just using the sights. The 94 is a .177. I like the feel and accuracy of the 94. Well made. Smooth. This will definitely be a keeper. Figured I would grab one now. Don't know why but I think its being discontinued. Wonder what that family company in Spain is currently making.
Thanks for advice on the scope and the mount. I have a B Square 17101 AA one piece with 4 clamp screws and a stop pin on a Diana 36 .22 cal. which is holding up well. Also a very nice gun. The RWS C mount came with the Model 36 but I never put them on as they would not have had a chance with the .22. Think I will take your advice on a good one piece mount for the 94. Can't tell yet if I have a droop problem or not on the 94 but the BKL 260-D7 sounds like a good precaution. I also like the 6 clamp screws as I don't see any place for a drop pin on the 94 top. The only opening is in front where the auto safety is and I can see the safety moving inside.
Since the 94 has no scope rail do you just clamp the 260-D7 right onto the grooves on the top of the 94?
Will also look at the Legend 5-15X40 MD scope. How long have you had it? It would be great to find a scope that doesn't self destruct from recoil.
Thanks for the reply. Would love to hear from other 94 owners.
Regards and thanks.
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| Billy Bob (no login) 98.200.62.205 | RE: RWS 94 Mounts | September 15 2007, 9:59 AM |
Plink,
You have an 11 mm groves on your receiver. The mounts will attach directly and are better than scope rails in my opinion. Just be sure when you purchase the mount that it will accommodate 11 mm groves.
I have had my 94 for about 2 1/2 years using the Legend scope and have had absolutely no problems. It is extremely accurate. As you apparently know the 94's have been discontinued and were made by Cometa of Spain. As far as I know they are still sold in Europe as the 400 Fenix. They are a superb copy of the classic FWB 124 and are known for hammer forging their barrels for strength and accuracy.
The 94 was re-engineered by Cometa and has more power and a better trigger than the original. The velocity ratings advertised for the gun are actually pretty accurate. Mine still shoots over 930 fps (cpls - 7.9 g) after almost 2,000 shots. The springs are replaceable. Enclosed below are some specs, in case you are interested.
.177 Pellet Velocity: 990 fps
.22 Pellet Velocity: 825 fps
7.5 lbs rifle
45 in. - 18.5 in Barrel
29 lb. Cocking Effort
14.25 in. Length of Pull
Windage & Elevation Adjustable rear sight
11mm Grooved Receiver
3.3 lb. Trigger Pull
Two-Stage Adjustable Trigger
You may be satisfied with the Accushot mount if you go with a Legend scope. I think Legends have more adjustment range than some of the cheaper scopes and I really like the MilDots. With the 94, you can do some accurate long range shooting. BKL also makes a Model D4 with less droop correction than the D7 and again you may not need any.
As an aside, I also have a RWS 93 which is incredibly accurate. It will hang in with my R-7. It is a shame that these well made rifles are no longer being imported. I wish they were.
Below is more info on the FWB 124, the predecessor of your rifle.
Kind Regards
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FWB 124 - a classic pellet rifle
by B.B. Pelletier
If it's motorcycles, it's a Harley. If it's wristwatches, it's a Rolex. If it's an air rifle, it's an FWB 124. This one spring-piston air rifle epitomizes the entire hobby. Why is it so popular and what makes it such a classic?
Feinwerkbau's 124 was an all-time classic air rifle!
It ushered in the modern age of magnum spring rifles.
The great race for power!
The 124 was, perhaps, the first spring-piston rifle to use technology over brute force to develop power. When it was new in the 1970s, the 800 f.p.s. barrier for .177 air rifles loomed large. A few models were knocking at the gate - the Weihrauch 35, the Diana 45 and the BSF 55. They offered nothing especially new, but with brute force and sheer size (except for the BSF) they were poised to break through the barrier. Then, from nowhere, the svelte Feinwerkbau 124 came along and shattered the barrier with power to spare. Within a year, two of the three challengers were also over 800, with only the Weihrauch 35, the largest of them all, still lagging.
Feinwerkbau used technology to triumph
The FWB 124 used a longer stroke coupled with a long but weak mainspring to generate a more powerful blast of air. Its piston was slender compared to the others, but a modern parachute piston seal made maximum use of the air it compressed. And, let's be fair, the 124 was a wow in .177 but a relative dog in .22, as the model 127. It was a one-trick monkey, while the HW 35 went on to be stretched and supersized into the Beeman R1 early in the 1980s.
But, in .177 the FWB reigned supreme. Despite having a less-than-desirable trigger that challenged airgunsmiths and a new automatic safety we all learned to hate, the 124 prevailed above all others. The Weihrauch 35 had a Rekord trigger that put the 124's pitiful unit to shame, but it had to do so from the slow lane. The 124 was shooting around 830 f.p.s. with light pellets compared to the HW 35's 750. And, the powerful 124 had that barrel!
FWB barrels are the best
Feinwerbau has long had the reputation as the airgun company that makes the finest barrels. It's their forte. The 124 was endowed with a splendid example of what they could do when they put their minds to it. It was bored tight all the way through. When pellets came out the spout, they were always the same size. You never found a rough bore on a 124.
The stock was beech, but the early ones had a wundhammer palm swell that delighted the unaccustomed shooting hands of Americans. The trigger blade was black plastic until the complaints piled high enough to force the factory to switch to aluminum. It did not change the trigger-pull one iota!
Beeman R1 spring on top is dwarfed by
the extra-long 124 spring. The wire is thinner, and
the coil diameter is smaller, which made the rifle easy to cock.
Easy cocking
A 124 is so easy to cock compared to the other powerhouses of the day. That longer stroke allowed the mainspring to be made of thinner wire with a smaller coil diameter, which reduced the cocking effort measurably. Recoil, on the other hand, was the absolute worst in its class. The 124 was the first air rifle with a reputation as a scope-breaker. Today, it feels like a pussycat compared to the Beeman Crow Magnum or Webley Patriot, and modern scopes that have toughened along with the rifles would have no problem with a 124.
You can still find a 124 in excellent shape for under $400 if you search. Avoid the internet auctions where prices are off the map. Instead, watch the smaller classified ads, and you can snag your slice of airgunning heaven.
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| Plink27 (no login) 70.111.249.57 | RWS 94 Scope Mount | September 15 2007, 11:24 AM |
Billy Bob,
Thanks for all of the information. I have gotten a few guns in the past months (sold a couple of guitars to raise some spare cash and kept the guitars I play the most) but have only been plinkin air rifles for a year so I'm still a newbie. I printed it out to keep with the Model 94 gun documents and saved a copy to my hard drive. I appreciate the research. As you could see I was really not comfortable jumping into putting on the wrong mount or mounting it incorrectly. With this info I don't think I'll have a problem setting it up right the first time with the right gear.
A quality scope and mount is well worth the money. I have already had my share of eating up cheap combo mounts and scopes that came with the 36 and 94 and from I see on the forums many other people have had the same experience. I know everyone is trying not to spend too much money or doesn't have the extra cash but I think you need to save up and spend more for a proven name scope rather than going the $99 or less and eating up two or three scopes. Same goes for the mounts, at least for the RWS rifles and especially the magnums.
The advice on this forum is great and I am glad I found this site. I really appreciate the time taken by experienced shooters to share their knowledge and help us avoid some mistakes.
Much appreciated.
Best Regards,
Plink27
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