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Gamo Raptor PBA (Performance Ballistic Alloy) !!

September 19 2007 at 5:46 PM
jake_la_motta  (Login max_cady)
from IP address 41.208.71.216

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well.., i have a D54 in 0.22 n' it's a piece of art
i'm used to use gamo pellets in it n' the are just fine especially the "Pro Magnum"
i've been hearing alot about the pba n' how they are the top of pellets
the sad thing is that they are only come in .17 ., n' i dont know why??
so i was thinking is there such thing in .22?? maybe an other brand!!
i'm really wanting to see how they do in my air king
the bright goldin color is really something just like fire arm pellets
i'v seen a video on utube where they take out a wild hog using them
so what do u think? r they that good?
n' can somebody find them in .22???
thx alot,,.keep up the good work n' God bless

 
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(Login vabch)
68.98.244.33

do they damage the barrel

September 20 2007, 2:48 PM 

My question about These not lead pellets is, do they hurt the Barrel?

 
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jack_la_motta
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41.208.70.134

pba

September 20 2007, 6:34 PM 

well .,, that's an other thing that i didn't think of
do they hurt the barrel?? can any body answer??
thx any way!!
keep up the good work n' God bless,

 
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68.150.147.22

Yep

September 25 2007, 6:38 AM 

I have used 177 cal. In 350 mag and the model 40 ariking. I have noticed a huge change.
It does not hurt the barrel. But a huge noise comes with it.
I got my PBA ammo at wholesalesports I never did get 22 cal version. Im sure yoyu can tho.
Hope it helps.

 
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Stepar
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Throwing feathers

September 30 2007, 6:59 AM 

Imagine throwing a rock. Your hand will reach a certain velocity, which of course your rock will also reach. Once released, the rock will retain most of this velocity for 10 or 20 yards.

Now - same sceanrio, using a feather. Your hand will reach roughly the same velocity - and, once released, the feather will STOP ALMOST IMMEDIATELY.

This is an extreme analogy illustrating the difference between PBAs and any decent mid-wight ammo with a respectable ballistic coefficient. Why would you want to shoot the pellet equivalent of a feather? Jake, you might as well lock and load Rice Cripies. PBAs are a ridiculous marketing concept that you don't have to buy.

Moreover, thank god, they only make them in .177.

 
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Re: Throwing feathers

September 30 2007, 7:38 AM 

PBA Pellets are FANTASTIC if you want a nice supersonic CRACK~!@! sound with magnum springers, and absolutely no accuracy whatsoever at any distance. Stay clear of these gimmick pellets.

 
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(Login only1harry)
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furthermore..

September 30 2007, 9:48 AM 

My RWS Diana manual says to use LEAD pellets ONLY, otherwise it may cause damage to the barrel and void the warranty as well. Why would you not take the manufacturer's advice is beyond me.

Ultra-light or lighter pellets leave the barrel fast but lose momentum very quickly, robbing you of that much needed energy you need to take your prey quickly. Less mass less energy & momentum.

 
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Re: Gamo Raptor PBA (Performance Ballistic Alloy) !!

September 30 2007, 7:44 AM 

Moreover, I would think that over time, these lightweight pellets would be the equivelent to dry firing your rifle. I tried my friend's Gamo Sport with the PBA ammo, and the fit, even in their own rifle, was so LOOSE that I had to point the butt pad to the sky when locking the barell back up, just so it wouldnt fall out.

 
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Whatever guys

October 4 2007, 9:19 PM 

My 350 mag shoots em. There nice and snug plus they do ALOT more penetration and there just as acuurate.And a better bonus is there hard. 18 karat gold to be percise.When i gutted the beaver and the mink i found the pellets, and if i wanted to i could of refired them they had just a FEW scratches. Or ya go use the lead ones and watch them mushroom up as soon as they hit..
FOr me its a YESSSSS!!!

 
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(Login only1harry)
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Whatever is right..

October 5 2007, 8:32 AM 

There have been many tests done firing different type of pellets to dense putty material, soap (to examine exit hole) and even crows.

The most popular pellets like the harder lead alloy Crossman Premiers deform VERY little if not at all after they are recovered. Even the Kodiaks and most domed pellets do NOT mushroom hardly at all. They have more penetration than the Crowmagnum hollow points and all other HP pellets.

We are not questioning the penetration capabilities of the high velocity lighter PBA's (at "close" ranges anyway), but more the damage that can be done to the barrel and more specifically the rifling of the barrel. There has been much discussion on this topic and even the airgun experts and airgunsmiths say that the rifling is made for lead pellets. It can be otherwise damaged by non-lead ones. There has also been much discussion on penetration vs. Energy or knock down power - FPE. Lighter pellets do not have the "punch" that heavier pellets possess by the laws of physics. They also lose a lot more energy farther out than the heavier pellets. Pro Airgun hunters prefer higher FPE #'s over velocity to knock down their prey, which is why they always opt for larger caliber and heavier pellets when hunting. In several studies, they showed that faster traveling lighter pellets tend to go right through most animals carrying much of the energy with them after exiting. Whereas the heavier pellets expend much of their energy inside the animal causing more damage and shock to the animals. In a gun like the 350 (I own one in .22) that has a lot of power, it probably doesn't matter what pellet you use. Your prey will go down no matter what, because sufficient penetration will occur with any pellet, light or heavy, even with a 21gr one. I shot a squirrel at 40yds and the pellet still went through his body via the upper shoulder area which seems to be thickest and has more bone structure! Another 14.3 Crossman Premier (14.3gr 22cal) went right through a Groundhogs head (and they have big hard sculls twice the size of a squirrel) at 27yds and 30.5yds out (2 different Ghogs). At 34yds, a Kodiak went right through a G-Hog's neck breaking his spine but that's softer than their head.. There is no need to use the PBA's on a UltraMagnum 20-21 FPE air rifle (I assume you have the .177, .22 cal is 22-24 FPE). I am truly amazed at the power of the 350 springer. The truth of the matter is, the larger the pellet is, the more damage it inflicts, and if it increases its diameter a little by deforming its softer lead compound, then the bigger the wound canal is, the better.

In a less powerful airgun, I can see using the PBA's sometimes to get an extra milimeter or 2 of penetration and that much needed higher velocity than you can't get with regular weight pellets, but continuous use of non lead pellets will result in less accuracy by your barrel over time. This doesn't happen after shooting 20 or 30 PBA's but takes time and is very gradual so that you don't notice it as much at first, until after you 've shot 500-1,000 or so and start adjusting your scope thinking something must have moved..

I 'll bet you any amount of $$ that a 350 with a heavier pellet can drop that beaver or mink out at 40yds, while your PBA will just wound it because it would have lost so much energy it wouldn't be funny..
Look at this 350 stats link:
http://www.straightshooters.com/ourtake/ottest350.html

Take note of the 2 lightest pellets tested, the Laser & Hobby (in any caliber) and see how much faster they are at the muzzle than an any other pellet but lose tremendous amounts of velocity and energy at 25 & 50yds. Then take a look at the CP light which is only 1gr. larger and see the difference. Then look at the even heavier pellets like CP heavy or CP Premier in .22 (JSB exact, etc.) which have TWICE the energy at 25yds and more than twice at 50! Their velocity is even greater at 25yds than all other lighter pellets that started off with 100fps more velocity.

My guess is you took that beaver at a distance of less than 20yds. At 40yds, the beaver would 've felt a sharp sting and run away with that little energy the lighter PBA carries, unless it went right in the heart through the softer chest area and in-between the ribs.

 
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(Login vabch)
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Gamo Sham'O

October 7 2007, 2:08 PM 

I don't shoot them, but they weigh 5 gr. which is light but not that much less that another light pellet at 7 or so gr.s I don't see where the gun is destroyed by a few shots.

 
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BillyBob
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Jake, you need to

October 5 2007, 1:38 PM 

listen to these guys. You will ruin your 350M. You are lucky that you haven't already broken the spring and your piston seal is not long for this world. Those things are really bad for an air gun and especially for a magnum. If you just have to shoot them, shoot them in an old junk gun. If you keep shooting them in the 350M, it will become a junk gun. I would NEVER shoot those things in my 350, not even for a little while. Get a cheap air pistol and shoot them in it.

No kidding

 
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(Login only1harry)
71.169.16.216

I wish

October 5 2007, 3:54 PM 

they had the PBA's 25yrs ago when I was using a Crossman 760 Pump. The BB's flew pretty fast out of the barrel (600-625fps) but the pellets were slower around 550fps.

The PBA's would have been perfect for the popular 760 which doesn't even have a rifled barrel (still sells for $40, I paid $34.95 in 1982). If it still worked today it would be my "junk gun" to shoot PBA's with. I am certain the PBA's were built and designed for the low or low-mid powered airguns and CO2's to give them the extra velocity but again these ultra-light pellets are a gimmick and not good for knocking down good size small game at more than 25yds. Mid-high powered guns like Magnums benefit from the heavier pellets. Everyone knows that. PBA's lose energy and velocity way too fast even in a Magnum rifle. By the time they reach 25yds, they have the same energy as an out of the box cheap CO2 pistol or rifle's ME with a heavier pellet.

 
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