For anyone interested in pellet test for the 460.mag here is a link from straight shooters that a few guys posted that did their individual test. Note that crosman preimers shot with the best group and Kodiaks did not group well at all. CP's actually shot better than jsb's
10yds target shooting with a rifle is BS. He should be testing it at 20 or 25yds. The pellets behave differently at that range and that's where the Kodiak shines. I too had mixed results with the Kodiaks at 15yds where I was first sighting in my scope. I then moved all my target shooting out to 25yds and the Kodiaks performed almost as well as the CP's at 25 and 35yds (before the mount broke), but I must admit, the CP's were extremely accurate at 15yds and 25, and was getting 2 to 3 out of 5 same hole shots with the rest being within 1/4-3/8". At 35yds the Kodiaks were grouping just as well as the CP's, about 1/2", which is fine by me and adequate deviation for hunting.
I haven't seen Gaylord's review of the 460 .22 yet, but they say every gun is different, even if they are the same model. It sucks, but I guess that's the way it goes. If QC was perfect in these guns, and all built with the same tolerances, then they would all perform similarly using the same pellets, but we don't live in a perfect world. You should stick with whatever works best in your 460. You may find that the Kodiaks and CP's both work great with yours, who knows? I think the Kodiaks (at $8/tin for 250) should be used for hunting med-large small game anyway. That's what I intend to use them for, although the CP's were able to bring down 12-15lb groundhogs without a hitch with single head/neck shots. I 'm saving the Kodiak for the raccon that came by the other night when I forgot to put a garbage bag in the trash can (could have been a possom but I don't think so, they hibernate - I saw the racoon crossing the road up the street the other night) and made a mess. He is a big fella. So if your 460 doesn't shoot Kodiaks well, it's no biggie. I don't think you have regular small game to worry about in your neck of the woods (or beach, hehe). The CP & others will take down pretty much anything leaving the muzzle of the 460 at 22+ ft-lbs.
Harry, I am new to air gunning, but as you well know, I have been a quick study. I certainly have a lot of enthusiasm for the sport. After the holidays I will be investing in a Chrony and a couple of orders of the "Samplers" from Straight shooter's and start doing my own test. I have a great place to shoot only 500 yards from my condo, so I will be able to spend some really quality time. By the way. The pellet gun has allowed me to continue hunting. I had given it up, as it was so hard to find a place to hunt. The very small tract across from my house is perfect. It is in the city, but leads to the Ocean. I would not be able to shoot a rimfire rifle in that tract but the pellet gun works perfect. There is a creek that leads for one mile before emptying into the ocean. It is full of Raccoons, Nutria, Squirrels, etc. I went for a walk through there yesterday, and noticed a lot of deer sign. I then located two deer about 30 yards away. I envy guys that can shoot from their own deck, but I am lucky to have the tract of woods near my house especially in a congested city.
of testing this potent smallbore springer. My .22 so far at 10 yds.
likes most pellets but appears to love JSB Exact Express. CPs, FTS
and Trophies are close behind. Also the Exact Express (14.3 gr)
clock a bit faster than the aforementioned - 860ish fps MV.
Haven't had a chance to really test outside at longer ranges other
than plinking with JSB Exact Express. No problem smacking small cans
around from 25 to 70 yds. Penetration of both sides of a Thompson
waterseal gallon can at 75 yds. As soon as I get nice conditions
outside I'll punch some paper at various ranges.
No Kodiaks for this rifle - there IMO to heavy, to tight and it
just doesn't seem like the right thing to do. Patriots and super
rammers in .22 and .25 are more appropriate guns to launch the
bigger Kodiak pellets.
Gotta get some JSB Exact 5.52 15.9-16.0 gr to test.
Well I just read parts 1 & 2 of his recent review.
What's up with the Kodiaks?!?! <600fps (<16FPE) and had an extreme velocity variation? I didn't like the sound of the "piston bounce" that Gaylord mentioned. Also out of the 6 pellets he reported on, 5 had lower average velocities than Straightshooter's velocity #s, but not by a lot although the CP and JSB exact had a 30fps difference(!) from the Straighsthooters #'s. Still not enough to say his 460 is a lemon..
I saw the opposite results from the 350 .22 test he did in '06. Gaylord's #'s were 10-40fps higher than Straightshooters 350 velocity #s and the Kodiak performed way better in the 350. As a matter of fact the Kodiak was Gaylord's favorite pellet in the 350 and performed the best.
Straightshooters (official) velocity tests did not seem to have an issue with the Kodiak in the 460 .22 so something was different in the Gaylord 460. Maybe the breech was like .001mm different in size? However in the other forum link you posted, the 460 owner had experienced below average results with the Kodiak as well, so that 's 2 out 3 so far where the 460 did not behave well with the Kodiaks. That is strange indeed.
What is with the hold technique he was talking about? Did he mean the gun was leaning to one side (slanted) which is why he was experiencing 1" groups? Anyway he figured that out and straightened out the groups, so accuracy was not an issue with the gun he was testing. Again this goes back to the fact that every gun shoots differently. I wouldn't worry about it too much Dave. You have the perfect 460, that 's all that matters
860fps with 14.3 JSB Express, nice! That's 23.5ft-lbs. That makes it a ~24FPE gun That's what I like to hear.
Now Dave, you need to get a racoon since you have them around. Lets see who gets one first They 're hard to find and shoot accurately at night unless you have a lot of lighting in your back yard, hold a spotlight and shoot at the same time, or mount one on your rifle. It's definitely a challenge, I think especially for me on open sights.
Yes the hunting season is upon us once again. In NY state the season usually opens Oct. or Nov.1 to Feb. for most small game, and Nov. to Dec. for big game. So that trail you walk and hunt on, belongs to the town, or is it private property? I hope you got a hunting licence. I have to have one here in NY for anything other than groundhog, porcupine and the few unprotected bird species like starlings and pigeons. They even have a season for possoms and FROGS (what the hek)!!
Hi, Harry, Yes I do have a lic. The tract of land belongs to the city, the state, and God knows what else. During election time, our disgusting city leaders litter the area with there signs depicting themselves as model citizens. I have personally contacted the city to remove, them each time, but nothing ever happens. Most of the time the clerk has no Idea who owns the land. The area is not hunted at all until you get close to the military base closer to the ocean. Then the military only are allowed to hunt the area, however they always will cross the boundary into the city land. No one ever does anything about this. Ironically only the military are allowed to hunt the area on the base. They do not allow civilians. If you called the game warden they would not dream of coming out there. I have talked personally to one of the TWO wardens and they explained that it is just them for the entire 1/4th of the state. The guys on the base only hunt deer, and that is just until the end of Nov. The area is overrun with squirrel, fox, and raccoons. They desperately need to be thinned, as we have a chronic rabies problem in this area. I walk into the area from my house and do not take a car. No one can hear the pellet gun and they could care less. Also the base has a firing range on it and gunfire is heard throughout the year. Coon season does not start till February and I probably will not be doing much hunting till then.
Harry, from every thing I have witnessed, from every forum, etc. The Crosman Premiere is the best all around pellet on the market. Best for accuracy, price, availability, velocity, penetration etc. The pellet may not top each category, but is a horse that fights to the end of the line and does well. I am going to order that pellet in both 177. for my 34. and 22. for my 460. If it performs well, and like all the test, I will not consider any more pellets.
I have done considerable testing with the CP and have been very succesfull with it taking small game and starlings at various distances up to 42yds. They also seem to group the best out of several different pellets I have tried, with the Kodiaks a very close 2nd. If you remember my first posts about the 350, almost every groundhog I took was with the CP (1 with Kodiak) plus 5 squirrels so far.
Speaking of squirrels another one fell victim today to the mighty CP 14.3gr. I was almost done with a 2hr shooting session and had reached the 500-550 pellet mark on my 350. This time after destroying a log I had been using for target shooting, I put paper(s) up on a large tree in my back yard and did all the shooting from one of the upstairs bdrm windows. Distance was about 22yds, shooting on open sights. Well as I was getting ready to fire another pellet at the target, I see a squirrel upside down very close to the target paper. He came to see what all that noise was about or what was hitting the tree. He continued his descent and stopped within 5-6" of the paper looking at it and kinda sniffing. I was like this is too easy.. I didn't want to do another head shot again. I wanted to see what would happen with a body/spine or chest shot. I aimed at his back (that's all I could see and the top of his head) ~2" below his head (above, in my case since he was upside down) and let the CP fly. He dropped and I didn't notice any movement when he laid on the yellow maple leaves. No 'stretching' either. When I examined him, the pellet had struck his back about 1.25-1.5" below his neck and went through his chest on the other side. Must 've hit the heart because he just dropped and laid there. I think his nest was up in that big old tree because I have seen come down that tree before and spared him a couple of times because I thought I had shot too many and was trying to preserve some of the wild life in my back yard. I just couldn't resist this time, as I was all locked and loaded and aiming at my paper when he decided to literally stick his nose in it
