I will be ordering box's of cp's for my 177. as well as my 460. in 22.cal. From all the test I have seen "Straight Shooters etc" is seems like the perfect all around pellet. I have a question, what is the Crosman premium pellet sold in Wallmart etc? How much do they weigh and are they just a very cheap pellet? I notice they also sell Hollow points. Has anyone used them?
I would think that the "premium" may not be from the same die set as are the "premiers".The "premiers" in a given box are formed from one die, #2,3,7,etc.That being said, there is no reason to avoid them-I have found that the store bought pellets are very accurate and unless you are shooting a field target match they will serve well.As to the hollowpoints,the reports I've heard are good, but because the alloy used in these pellets is quite hard, expansion will be virtually nil in game or pests, so if you want a pellet with expansion potential, I would suggest either Beeman field target specials, Beeman crow magnum or JSB exact in either caliber.Another good,inexpensive pellet that performs well is the Crosman pointed in .22,I would avoid the pointed in .177 however.
Dave,
The .177 Premiums in the tins and the Premiers in the tins are the same weight as the Premiers in the brown cardboard box, 7.9 gr. (Excluding the 10.5gr heavy versions.) The skirt design and shape appear to be identical among all the different front end styles: pointed, HP, dome. But there is definitely something different about them, because the ones in the box always seem to shoot better than the ones in the tins, at least from my experience.
The Premiers in the brown cardboard box are definitely the best price value in both .177 and .22, but do consider the various JSB Exact pellets in case your gun likes them the best. My 54 in .22 likes the JSB Exact Jumbo 15.8gr the best, with the JSB Exact Jumbo Express 14.3 gr and the Crosman Premier 14.3 a close second.
Stephen
get the Premiers in the cardboard box. It's a better value anyway. I don't believe they are the same pellet as Premiums. I have never read of anyone making that claim before. There are several domed pellets out there that look like the CP and have the same weight but when you start measuring everything you'll see slight differences. Also there might be more lead concentration on one part of the pellet or the skirts are a fraction of a milimeter thicker or thinner not visible to the naked eye, and then there is the lead alloy/composition.
Die #7 was bad and had lots of problems. This is known by Crosman. Try and wait on Premiers from die #8 if you can. I had some from die #7 and at least 10% of the pellets were bad. Not just a little bad but too small! They were not .177 mixed in, they were like stunted .22s. Wierd.
If you're shooting these in a high-powered springer, I agree with the JSB Jumbo reference. These pellets are heavier (15.8) and work great in hi-powered guns like the 34, 350, 460, etc. Sportsman's Warehouse has them in BSA Wolverine packaging - same thing. Try them.
"but I'll be needin' that gun, fer squirrels and such."
I tried some Crosman Fireball's, they are $5,50 for 250 with Copper plated Ball 10.5GR for 1,000 FPS. Good for long range in .177 and hard hitting.
I like the pellets in 10 - 12 gr. They give a reasonable hit in these medium magnum rifles. Crosman has some reliable pellet's, not the greatest but when you are shooting a can a day, I try to stay with the $6.00 a day tin can from crosman.
For hunting then the spingger gets a fest. I do not shoot that many pellets and buy heavy pointed. Just my opinion.
And remember with airguns it is "30% the gun and 70% the shooter".
in the 10.5 grain heavy, .177 sitting directly in front of me.Without splitting hairs about minute differences, they are exactly the same pellet.Period.
As far as I know, the die number is only printed on the boxed (650 count) pellets, not on the tins. Drosman typically makes a die and manufactures a number of pellets from it before retiring it. Die #7 in .22 was not a good die and Crosman has said as much. They are in the process of switching to #8 but I have not heard of any pellets showing up from that batch as of yet.
"but I'll be needin' that gun, fer squirrels and such."
I never noticed it before. Seems they wrote it with a black magic marker on the bottom of the box and I can barely make it out. It looks like it says in caps: DYE #7 and it's all smudged but I can make out parts of the letters and number. It's definitely hand written. It also has the date of manufacture stamped at the bottom as well.
What kind of problems does the dye#7 have? I have not noticed any issues and I have used up more than 1/2 the box already. I know it leaves the bore pretty dirty but I just clean it after each shooting session.
For lack of a better word they were stunted. Not .22 cal and too big for .177, they were mistakes that were not possible to shoot. I would say at least 10% of the box were bad. I will not buy any more from that die and I'll wait to hear what the #8s look like before I purchase. I will look to stock up on JSBs as they bcome available. No QC issues there.
"but I'll be needin' that gun, fer squirrels and such."
I just got off the phone with Crosman. I was told that the Premium and the Premier were two completely different pellets.n The premium is a inferior grade and sold only as a wadcutter. Each line will have it's own die. #7 will be for a particular line for instance the 22 cal. domed. But will rotate to another die and then rotate back to the original #7. Crosman will or now does have a new pellet (I forgot the name) similar to the gamo rocket, it will be for long distance and deep penetration.
Here is the link. It will be very interesting to shoot the new "fireball". I did not like the gamo rocket at first but my 34. started really liking them. A Crosman Premier fireball may be a great choice. The "Destroyer may be something to look at also.
Try the fireball, they are HARD hitting and medium weight. As I stated above in this blog. if you spend $5 a can to have fun the wadcutters are the best, but if you want to hunt then try the fireball. I like them and so does my 34.
And remember, "it is 30% the rifle and 70% the shooter"
