I was reading BB (yes at Pyramid) blog and he say's there is a new mount comming for the RWS in 2-3 months. Does anybody in the Diana/RWS world know what he is talking about.
I left him a nice message, but what I really wanted to write was how in blazes does RWS not come with this info to all, just to BB? Not that he is special, but!!!
Anybody, anywhere, anyplace, A new mount foa all RWS?
and remember "it is 30% the gun and 70% the shooter"
Warren
PS: I get my 48 thursday, this is ridiculous. I have 2 RWS, 1 Beeman, 1 Crosman and now I am thinking of bying Chinese with the Bam B26-2. I NEED HELP.
Warren,
I saw that post by B.B., too, and from what I can tell, this new mount is being developed by someone not at all associated with Diana/RWS. I guess Diana thinks there system is fine, and doesn't need any improvement?? I had the esperience of buying an RWS scope with RWS mounts, and it flat didn't work on my 54. Anyway I'm anxious to see what this new mount is because nothing I've tried is totally satisfactory.
But I'm also curious about the fine pitch cross-ways grooves on the top of the scope mount dovetail on the Diana receivers. Seems like that type of pattern is made for something on the bottom of a scope mount to engage with. Or maybe some type of adapter plate? Does anybody have experience with that?
Thanks very much,
Stephen
because the RWS 1pc C-mount (elev. & wind. adjustable) is a piece of crap. The gimbals broke after a few days after the screws kept coming loose and loosing its setting.
Maybe it will take someone outside RWS to come up with a good mount. I mean, what is RWS? They are not a gun manufacturer, and I don't think they even make their own scopes & mounts. It's a Dynamit Nobel company. They just take other companies' guns and market them.
Could the new mount be a BLK or B-Square rebadged? I wonder why Diana doesn't make one for its Magnum springers?
I have no idea of what BB is talking about, but i try to get the circle closer to him. I have asked for clarification. Need more members going to his blog and circling the wagon.
Maybe he is reading this blog?
and remember "it is 30% the gun and 70% the shooter"
BKL one piece drop compensated mounts and Mac-1 droop mounts work just fine on RWS guns and any other springers with significant barrel droop. In the BKL you want to look at the 260 series mounts.
"but I'll be needin' that gun, fer squirrels and such."
I would like a Weaver ramp as well. But the current ramp is not screwed on at all. The 3 little things that look like philips screws are fake. They are really rivits with a philips looking head. The only screw is the one on top that is an old cary over for a diopoter sight used in Europe. The cross slots mate up to a shoe that comes down to help lock it in place. The current C mount is made for RWS by B-Square, see Tom's old posts on this on Pyramyds blog.
So far my best solution I applied to date is using the Mac-1 drouper. Most Diana's need 30 minutes of droop to compensate for scope use. However this droop is what you need to be able to use the Anschutz diopters among others otherwise you can't adjust the diopter low enough to shoot at 10-20 meters.
In order to make the Mac-1 drooper workable I just use a 1/8" drill and make the rear small dimple of a scope stop deeper. Then the stop can be used with no problems. Tim has a new version of the 30min drooper that olny is $45.00 that is a deal for a non adjustable solid mount. I have one on my Weihrauch HW80 compined with a Leupy 3-9 EFR scope. Hats off to Pyramyd if they develop a better scope mount setup that needs no mods to work.
I have sat around thinking about how a manufactuer could produce a better mount system for the Diana guns, I have not heard of the new mount, but what probably has happened is that RWS has realized the C mount does not work and are trying for something better. This probably came about with people whom complained to them about the mount, I am shure they never admitted to the mount not working, but on their own are having someone delvelop a new mount. I beleive BKL has a 6 screw type of riser that accepts weaver rings, if I had known about it I would have opted for one myself rather, however this plate does not have the barrel droop compensation. My ideas have been to go back to the old days and make scopes with fixed reticles and a externally adjusting mount that is rugged, thus a recoil spring also to take up the jolt of the airguns this would mean the scope would need a spring forward and rearward on the scope tube. This idea might be too hard to develop or not practical again. As far as the mounting rail, would use a mounting plate that perfectly graps both the front and rear edge of the scope rail and then clamps to the rail, thus it would hold the rail regardless, the rail would have to shear before the scope mounting plate could come off. I am convinced after all the years I have been into airguns and now recently getting back into them that scopes cannot withstand the recoil of magnum airguns, some scopes will last longer than others but will all eventually give out under the strange recoil these guns produce. While it is true say if you tune a airgun and lesson the recoil of course this will add life to a scope, if you shoot a gun like a HW30 that has very little jolt a scope is going to last longer. But all and all I am convinced that magnum springers will destroy most any scope if used long enough.
Warren, Tim is Tim McMurray at Mac1 Airguns
here is his link. I would call him to inquire on which mount you need based on scope and minutes droop you need. For the Straight mount with 30min droop in medium height I paid $45.00. In the next order I will order a custom one with 15 min droop and 15 min windage right. They are very good mounts. I had already wasted a lot of $ on 4 BSquare mounts and a Beeman adjustable that cost $75.00. Good mount yes but the solid drooped mount is best IMHO.
Reading this thread over and over again, Bill states that the BKL 260 or MAC 1 mounts are the way to go with RWS and other forums confirm this. Then;
Randy states something that is common knowledge, magnum air rifles with the double recoil and vibration eventually destroy's any scope. Some air rifles take longer than others, which is also very true. I have also heard the weight of the pellet in some top FPS rifles also affect the slamming of the piston.
Kevin has the same thought with the Mac 1 and BKL mount. I don't have a problem with a $45.00 to $60.00 mount, but when you add a $150.00 to $200.00 scope and is trashed after X amount of times fired, then you have expended more $$ on scopes and mounts than on the rifle.
Bottom line is to stay in the 600-700 FPS and 12-15 LBS, these are medium power air rifles and are capable of receiving a scope. Anything above this is an open invitation to trash the scope.
I only wish I was 40 years again, then it would be easy with open sights at $60.00 each.
and remember "it's 30% the rifle and 70% the shooter"
I have been reading on this forum many people complaning on the 350 and other springers destroying scopes. Other peple have no problems. Why? Because many gun manufacturers have had QC issues with compression tubes/seals. When even the Germans have tubs varing up to 0.02" or 20 thou plus the fact that on assembly the seals many times are damaged (cut) on sharp edges on the cocking arm and other cutouts. These issues make a gun harsh and on a Magmum springer all the more extreem. The forward recoil with a loose or damaged seal like a dryfire on every shot to the scope and mounts. FYI read the link.
Scope makers are a lot like gun manufacturers. The more $$ you pay for the scope, the more QC that goes into the scope. The more digs and dins that are polished out and the more machining that goes into the mechanicals and fasteners. There are no $100 scopes that perform as good as $400 scopes or they would have the market cornered and there would be no market for $400 scopes. That's not to say you need a $400 scope, but you should understand your $100 scope's limitations.
Same thing with air rifles. You can get a high powered air rifle that has more QC in it, or you can get a high-horsepower model that is a bit lacking in that department. Nothing wrong with either, you just have to know your limitiations. Might just be the lesser priced model needs some work or a couple thousand rounds through it to settle down. Nothing wrong with that either - just don't expect miracles. I agree with Warren that if you shoot a magnum springer, you're probably going to have scope issues sooner or later, unless you have taken steps to mitigate that potential. The number of steps correlate to the quality of the equipment you're using.
"but I'll be needin' that gun, fer squirrels and such."
Randy,
No offense intended, but the new mount is NOT being developed by RWS or their manufacturer, Diana. It is being developed by an independent manufacturer of scope mounts and Tom Gaylord. Check out the thread on the Dec 4,2007 www.pyramydair.com/blog . Unfortunately, it looks like we still have a few months to wait before we can actually see or buy one.
Kevin's reference to Mac1 earlier in this thread looks good. Mac will actually custom line bore a scope mount to compensate for the measured barrel droop of any particular gun. Sounds like a very slick permanent solution if you are shooting one pellet thru one scope on one gun and don't need any adjustability.
I have seen the prototype and it is a great design. All I can say is that it definitely works, is bull strong and wil be priced right. Oh, RWS is no longer owned by Dynamit Nobel. New owner is Umarex, which owns Walther and part of S&W I believe.
