dave@vbch (Login vabch) from IP address 68.98.244.33
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Seems Streak is out of the starting gate really Qick. Can the 350 and the 460 hold course?
"The right stuff
Instead of being rested at a spot where it's front-heavy, the Super Streak wants to be balanced on your fingers - or at least my rifle did. The results spoke loudly. Pellet after pellet passed through the same hole. Group sizes with JSB Exacts were less than 0.20" at 21 yards. That's the exotic territory inhabited by TX 200s and finer spring rifles such as the Beeman HW 97 Mark III - not screaming 20-foot-pound .177s!"
Harry and all,
I'm wondering if there really is such a thing a 20+ ft lb springer that ISN'T hold sensitive. And particularly a break barrel. My 54 is relatively neutral to hold, but it has the sledge system.
Has anybody experienced an easy to shoot big magnum springer that didn't cost a bundle or incorporate some special engineering feature?
Thanks,
Stephen
P.S. This really DOES look like a gun to watch. I'm anxiously awaiting the 22 report on this big Benji.
I just finished shooting my 460. and 34 mag. I do not consider either of these rifles to be very hold sensitive. Both are smooth and easy to fire. Some times I think the 460. actually has less than the 34.
Apart from Dave's report who owns a 460, Tom Gaylord also said in his review that the 460 is really NOT hold-sensitive and gave it a pretty good write-up.
The 460 would probably be your best bet I think since you want a >20FPE gun, or what did you call it? "a big Magnum" Or you can go with a 350Mag like me, and work at it.. like a real man
Go to Gaylord's blog & do a search or ask Dave to post the links to part 1 & 2 (and 3 I think) to it. I 'm sure Dave has bookmarked it. I think he reads it every night before he goes to bed
I do apologize, I left out the NOT. The "Goddess" of Air Guns aka RWS 460 Is NOT hold sensitive. She will throw out a pellet as fast and hard as the best of them, but will do it with the soft touch of the lady that she is. Yes, Harry is right, I do pay homage to the Goddess each night.
Here is a start of your journey to the heavens of the RWS Diana 460. magumnm. But be very careful, she is a woman with a lot of power. She will charm you, before you know it. With just one shot fired, you will be in the palm of her hands. Enter at your won risk!
Diana in Greek Mythology was actually the goddess of Hunting and Agriculture (crops) if memory serves me right, which explains why she is depicted dropping her bow in favor of a rifle. Artemis was the Greek name. Diana is the Latin name which came later after the Romans adapted all the Greek gods and the same idol (statue) worshiping religion.
That's a Gamo trigger. If you like Gamos, fine. If you don't, you should know that the trigger is made by Gamo. Therefore the action is probably made by Gamo. Again, if you like Gamos, that's fine. I really don't but that's me.
If you want a rifle with excellent accuracy find an RWS 94.
Isn't the Gamo trigger a 5lb trigger? Very few people like those. Most Gamo owners replace it with the GRT-III (adj. to 1.5lbs) or some other aftermarket trigger.
We are a fickle bunch with our guns. Each new one pleases us for a while, and then we want the one that is lighter or heavier or more accurate or more powerful or smoother or sleeker (add your own adjective, LOL).
I think we can all be thankful this holiday season that we will never run out of new guns to choose from and sing the praises of.
What a great hobby!
Stephen
Harvey,if you read the review that was posted earlier, you will see that the author did recognize the gamo style trigger, but made it a point to say that the rest of the gun could not be identified. sorry I do not have the quote with me, but I just got home and do not feel like looking it up. No one wants to admit that this rifle is looking like it will be a top notch rifle. I think we have all been underestimating Old Ben. I think this is an American company, that decided and saw from Gamo advertising, that air guns are going to get big in America. Hunting lands are diminishing on a grand scale, shooting ranges for long distances are harder to come by etc. Plus a growing popularity of the sport. It is relatively low cost and a whole lot of fun, even for the whole family. Some smart guys are going to bring the Benjamin and Sheridan name back in the America home. If I am right, this gun will be a top contender with some of the best to include Beeman and RWS. They realize that Gamo, is on tv NOW!!!!!!!!!!! Face it! China is where all the manufacturing is going. To be competitive in the arena you have to go to China. How much longer can RWS complete with the Euro vs. the dollar? Harry and others are right. NOW IS THE TIME TO BUY UP RWS AIR RIFLES!
I'm going to wait for the accuracy aficianados to chime in. I also have to admit that it goes against the very sinew of my bones to see Crosman use the Name on any rifle where its first introduction is possibly from China. Sorry, that's how I feel about it. The Gamo trigger also makes me wonder but I don't take Gaylord's opinions very far. Ancillary documentation at best. He's a nice guy but he's also employed to say good things about airgun products. He's also provided useful information on a number of airgun related things but still, I've always taken him with a grain of salt.
It would be like asking me to do what he does with the knowledge I have. People who really know things would find it child's play to rip my conclusions apart on a lot of things. Until I see one of these first hand and shoot it for myself, I should refrain from commenting any further.
Pyramyd show a price of $299 for the new Benji. That's a lot IMO for a Chinese gun and here's why. The problem I see with MOST (not all) guns CURRENTLY coming form China is that the quality of manufacture and workmanship are too varied. Can they produce a quality accurate air rifle/pistol. Yes! Can they do it on a mass produced level, for a cost that leaves a decent profit for the US dealer after importation, duties, taxes etc etc? Look at the AA TX -200 copy the BAM B40. I don't own nor never shot or handled one. Many rave about it, say it's easily worth the money. Others say it's good BUT, you may need to tinker/tune it. Some have said their's were plagued with problems. Can a Diana, HW, BSA or AA have quality issues? Of course. But are those the exception or more the norm? Are these first rifles being sent to the US for reviews hand picked and the mass produced ones to follow? Don't get me wrong about Chinese rifles. I own 1 now and it's pretty good for what I paid. $60 or so. But I would be hesitant to plunk down $300, I'd save alittle more and opt for the Diana, HW or BSA. even with Tom Gaylord or anyone else giving a stellar review. I'm just not convinced that the level of consistant quality manufacture is there yet. And since Crosman Corp will probably be making a 200% -300% margin minimun, per rifle, they can afford to replace the lemons under warranty no questions. My $0.02 and your opinion and mileage may vary.
This is not a BAM or a Tech or any other Chinese gun. This is a Benjamin Sheridan rifle that is manufactured in China. If you went to China, found a manufacture and showed him your plans for a new rifle and had them make it. No, this is not a $150.00 rifle this will be a $300.00 rifle. This gun will not be a knockoff, this gun will be original and made with the utmost quality,accuracy and dependability. Our fist rifle will come out of the chute to complete with all the magnums. More accurate and more powerful. Can you do it. You damn right they could.
The China made guns now are MEANT to be kockoffs. That was their major plan. To sell quality made knockoffs at 40 to 50% cheaper. They were never asked to make an original. One that would sell for double the money. They did not have to. Now they are, and the question is why not! America has a very big tendency to underestimate foreign countries. This is a major mistake. By the way Harv, your statement about replacing all the bad warranty issues does not make sense. Ben will be responsible for his own guns. I think the purchase of a new Ben could be a very wise investment. A new era of Benjamin Sheridan, one of the first to come out. Twenty years from now this gun could be worth some money. I think it is time to look at Benjamin Sheridan/Crosman stock.
I had wanted to stay put on this new gun that Benjamin has come out with, this whole power thing has been going on for a long time in airguns. When I first purchased my FWB 124 it was the most powerful airgun on the market in its day. Soon after Beeman brought out the R1 and basically kicked the 124 to the curb as it was rated at over 900fps. They has claimed later on the 124 was discontinued because of what it cost to make it, I have always felt it was because FWB did not want to pursue the power race with its sporter but stayed with the competition guns rather. I also feel like that these high velocity numbers have caused many people to take notice and want to purchase airguns, the idea of owning a aigun was a gun that was safe to use around in areas where a firearm would not be allowed and to add convience of being able to shoot such a gun at leisure. When the day comes that I look and you can no longer purchase a German made airgun I will feel much like I did when Cox went out of buisness, the end of a era for me.
"Extra12/17/2007 12:01 AM ET
Weak dollar adds twist to 'Made in America'
European companies that once rushed to China or India now seek to lower production costs in the US, where a culture of innovation is also part of the appeal.
Forget about China; the United States is the new hot spot for global companies looking for lower production and transport costs, increased supply-chain flexibility and a crack at wooing the world's most demanding customers.
France's Alstom, a maker of high-speed trains and power turbines, this week became the latest European company to unveil plans for a facility across the Atlantic. The company wants to build a $200 million plant in Chattanooga, Tenn., to mitigate the impact of the weak dollar on its margins and to get closer to some of its biggest customers."
This is but one example of European companies coming to the USA not China and some of the reasons' are; set a footprint, invest Euros, manufacture produce and sell in the same market and QUALITY. Go and read the article it is very interesting.
China has it's share of the market but not the quality part of it. Granted that Benjamin Sheridan is not the only company going to China, all they are doing is following their competition.
I recently found an interesting fact, at 10 mts the best airgun shooters are the Chinese followed by the Russians and then the Germans. By the way, 4 of 7 airguns used in the last Olimpic Games are made in Germany one is from Austrian another from Italy. (Wikipedia)
and remember "it's 30% the gun and 70% the shooter"
Randy, I think you hit on a point with the speed issue with the Benjamin. Speed is what gets the attention. My interest in air guns started with a Crosman quest. It was the 1000 fps that got my attention. I later got the 34 and then the 460.mag. Now, I have just purchased a Izh 61. and love shooting this low power target gun. My interest are changing from the speed to the accuracy guns. I am really starting to look at the match rifles. Some of the Avanti's look like great buys. Just think if Crosman and Benjamin Sheridan along with Gamo, and Beeman could launch a new revolution of American Air Gunning. The Chinese Market and Manufacturing is here to stay. If a Benjamin Sheridan streak cost $300.00 and made in China with the same quality, that means that it would probably be equivalent to a $600.00 price tag on a RWS 460. I think RWS will have to decide to remain a niche market or eventually be sold out to one of the other companies. Gamo for instance could come after RWS. RWS will never compete with Crosman ,Gamo Etc in the near future. Only if the consumer is ready to pay a fortune and I don't mean ( cookie! I think China is RWS's next rice bowl or perhaps, JONAH! As the The Chinese are fond of saying, "Man with one chopstick go hungry".
No biggie. On another post I completely fubarred the trigger setting screws. Once in a while I get it right, but more often its probably not. whattayagonnado lol
