Kind of off topic in this forum but, this is really good news.
I guess the dollar going to poo isn't stopping some enterprising individuals from
letting us Americans afford a PCP after all. I really want a PCP but other than Airforce
there was basically $1000 euro guns to look at. Now that Crosman has this maybe RWS will
try to follow suit and come out with their own PCP gun(& pump) under $400. According to
Tom Gaylord this one is going to shoot really nice. Maybe once companies like Crosman
here start to take sales away from companies like Air Arms, Logun and such, just maybe they
will lower the prices of PCPs to a more reasonable price to gain back sales.
I really like the freedom of just being able to have a gun and pocket of ammo that a springer
provides but, I can't wait to get ahold of a nice PCP that has no recoil and will group
under a dime at 40-50 yards. All you hear from guys with PCPs is that it's almost too easy
to shoot them accurately. Also once you get one you don't want to bother with springs anymore.
Bought one early this afternoon (available on the Crosman website store). The gun will shoot .22 at 900 fps. It will take 100 pumps to get it to pressure, giving you 35 full-power shots, after which it will be down to about 800 psi remaining. From there, only another 35 pumps puts it up to full charge again (2,000 psi). For $399 you get the gun, built on a proven platform (the 2260) a walnut stock and the pump!
Best of all, this is a gun you can fill from a regular aluminum or steel scuba tank. No more having to buy a $450 carbon fiber, high pressure tank and finding a place that can fill that high. Find a paintball shop or dive shop and you're set. A used scuba tank can be had for under $100. Plenty of fills if you're only filling to 2,000 psi. And, if you're tired of that, you can run it on CO2 and get 100 shpts per fill because it's dual fuel capable. Plus the Crosman freaks will have tons of mods for this gun - there are already some because it's based on the popular 2260. High rise breech, full length shroud, trigger, etc. Sounds like a ton of fun. I ordered mine, due in February, and received a 10% internet discount. With shipping it was $390. How can you beat that?
I know this is a Diana forum and I'm sorry if I stray, but this is good news for all airgunners.
"but I'll be needin' that gun, fer squirrels and such."
It really seems, that we have to give kudos to Crosman, for making the purchase simple and affordable. If I had not just purchased a 850 I would be buying this gun.
I had the .22 in my cart but didnt pull the trigger, ive never owned a pcp before. 249 sounds good but you also need a pump,scope,mount dang it adds up fast. The trigger on that thing looks like current blue streak crap. Wonder if the duel fuel filler is included with gun only model. I did put my sweet heart series c up for sale $450 figure if some european has $200 pounds to spend they might take it. Thats the only way i can consider purchasing, or sell the rws 34 .22cal humm.
Please write a review as soon as you test the gun.
Did you order from the Crosman custom shop or regular shop?
I would have liked to see a multi-shot gun in this model instead of just single-shot. Oh well, can't have everything. 900fps is Magnum Springer power however, not true PCP power. Still with some mods 2,000psi should be able to deliver more power with less shots. The 900fps velocity was probably achieved with RWS Hobbies 11.9gr if that, so we are looking at ~22FPE PCP gun.
Not exactly sure why everyone is so excited. I guess the price is good for what you get. Now if the Disc22 were close to 30FPE, I would have pre-ordered it too, or if it came with a multi-shot magazine, I would have still jumped on it. That's just me. There are certain things I look for in PCP's and one of them is quick follow up shots, and the other is power. I 'll stay neutral for now and say wait and see.
It doesn't seem like it has an 11mm dovetail receiver for a scope. The receiver looks cylindrical in the pics. Too bad they won't show you a better close-up or let you zoom in.
They don't talk about the ability to mount a scope in the literature or technical specs which are pretty vague.
I like the tutorial though about to how to charge the gun and the # of pumps, etc. $150 is not bad for a hand pump, but is it a good pump that will last? only time will tell. Maybe it's comparable to the $250 pumps sold on the net, and Crosman offers it at the wholesale price.
5.2lbs is light! I wonder if that butt stock is hollow I mean you have that long steel tube for the compressed air, walnut stock, etc. Yes no spring or piston, but still I think the gun should be around 6-6.5lbs, unless it's much smaller and shorter but I guess 39" is kind of small. Unless they found some low denstity "walnut" wood It looks on the light side for walnut. My 350 beech Monte Carlo stock is much darker than the Disc. pics. Well maybe Bill can post some pics when he gets his.
Milled into the receiver. And you know guys like RJ Machine are going to turn out awesome custom high-rise breeches so you can run a full barrel shroud. This gun won't hurl a 30 grain projectile at 900 fps, but it will shoot a medium weight pellet (like a Premier) with enough velocity and accuracy to kill small game out past 75 yards. What do you want - it's a pellet gun.
"but I'll be needin' that gun, fer squirrels and such."
With 14.3 premiers, mid 800's are supposed to be the norm. That's a kill velocity with an almost 24" barrel (23.6) at 75 yards. I know, because my 1950 Crosman 114 does 705 fps on a good day with CO2 and knocks em dead at that range all day.
Nice gun Bill.
"but I'll be needin' that new Discovery , fer squirrels and such."
I will be getting one for sure. I think the new Discovery will be a great investment down the road. Bill, do you think the one you buy will be a "limited Edition"? One of the first ordered. Buy the way, where did you order it. I could not find it on the Crosman site. Also, what do you think of a compensator or shroud similar to the 850 to make it quiet. I know nothing about PCP. I would be interested in learning what PSI to shoot to get different velocities. I really like the feature of pumping the gun after the initial fill, and each pump equaling one shot for a 30 shot sequence. This guns sounds like it would really be a great hunter.
I asked Josh from Crosman about the first batch and he said they were going to go over them real good to ensure the wood and accuracy were right. He stated that a lot of people worked hard to get this done and they want the demos and first run to be of great quality. So if you believe that, or feel it's likely, the first run promises to be good. On the other hand, a lot of new models have problems. I'm not worried about that - the gun is based on a proven platform.
As for power and pumping, it appears 35 full power shots are obtainable before having to put 35 strokes into the pump. That works out to a pump a shot - pretty much a single stroke pneumatic (SSP) that shoots at 850 - 900 fps. Where are you going to get that for the price? Get a cheap CO2 fill adapter and run it all day on a bucks worth of CO2. Tired of pumping, get a used scuba tank and fill it over 100 times from it.
Now the gun has issues, but nothing that can't be worked out for a minimal investment. There are already aftermarket triggers that will work in the gun. I'm sure a muzzel brake and shroud option will be along shortly. Pretty soon guys will be turning out aftermarket bolts, hi-rise breeches, you name it. The Crosman forum is a good place to visit to see all the stuff the modders have for existing Crosmans. Won't be long before those same guys start turning out stuff for the Discovery. Guys have to keep in mind this PCP costs $245 for the gun. Compare that to offerings costing 2, 4, 5 times as much. That leaves a lot of room for those mods.
say .25?? Stop it, you 're making me drewl on my keyboard! LOL!
Seriously though, Crosman has never made a .25 have they? That's always been a "British" airgun caliber..
Well first time for everything, like their new PCP right?
I share your enthusiasm, believe me. I have wanted a PCP since before I bought the 350 .22, but the high price and the expensive tanks & adapters have always compelled me to think it over and back out before I click on "submit order now!"
I think the Discovery with some modding and tuning will be great, and a good bang for the buck. It is definitely exciting to see a $245 PCP or even a $399 in a complete package with the pump, etc. I do try to analyze maybe a little more than others what I would really get for $400.
I only have a couple of small issues or fears you could say which may turn out to be completely unfounded. First I 'm skeptical of the quality of the barrel for that price. Barrel=accuracy. Second, when I see a manufacturer advertise 1,000fps for .177 and 900fps in .22 I take that with a grain of salt. Usually the difference between .177 & .22 is at least 150-200fps, if not more. I look at the 48/52 & 350, that truly get 1,000 to >1,100fps respectively in .177, and then see the .22 velocities drop to 780-850 (from 48 --> 350) for medium weight pellets like the 14.3 CP's, 14.5gr Superdomes/FTS, etc. Why is this gun any different? Because of the way PCP's work? Why would the Discovery only shoot a light-medium .177 pellet say a CP light at ~950fps, when it can shoot a 14.3gr pellet @ 850fps like you said? Seems to be the .177 should be higher. An average 350 .22 shoots CP's at 840+fps, and a 350 .177 can shoot the CP light at nearly 1,100fps!
Another reason I do not think the 1,000fps figure by Crosman is not accurate is because all the dozen or so Crosman 1000 springer models, TAC1, etc. that are supposed to be getting 1,000fps, don't! They shoot med-weight .177 pellets at barely 800fps, and any Crosman Quest 1000 owner that owns a 34 will tell you that the 34 shoots harder and closer to 900fps! Now I am not implying that the Discovery will be a 12-13FPE gun like the 34 in .22 cal. God I hope not!
Anyway, it seems to me the 850fps you 've been reading (or assuming) on Crosman forums, etc. is speculation. I really think the Discovery will be around 750 to 800fps at the most with 14.3 pellets and not 850 but we can only speculate. I hope I am wrong again but will not get my hopes up. Nothing wrong with 750-800fps. That's 48/52 territory and still excellent for small game hunting. Hek the guy in the video took a fox with a 52 .22, not that I would attempt that but just pointing out how capable a well placed shot can be with a 20FPE gun.
The other thing that worries me is what you quoted the Crosman guy saying:
"they want the demos and first run to be of great quality".
Well what about the 2nd & 3d runs and guns built after that first great batch? Are the guns going to be mediocre or plauged of QC issues after that, like many guns imported from China are? Of course the Chinese making factory is going to make the first batch of Discoveries great to impress the Crosman bosses (product managers & QC/QA Director/VP) here in the US. But him saying that makes uncomfortable. To me he is implying that after the first batch is sold, the quality may not be the same with the rest of the guns once they get the green light and start producing them for the masses. I wish he had put it a differenty way, but maybe he was just using it as a sales pitch to get more people to pre-order the gun, tricking them into thinking they 'll be getting a flawless gun or a "cherry".
Those are my thoughts but still excited to see what this new PCP can do. Like I said I may tend to over-analyze things but I have that analytical-type idiosyncracy. What can I say? I 'll try to stay positive, honest!
did you ask Josh from crosman about the 2nd generation of the Discovery they are planning?
someone asked Josh about the sales count and he said crosman was "encouraged" by the # of sales count, (sales before the gun is sold ((pre-orders)). that indicates to the company what the trend will be in future sales and how to keep producing the gun and inventories at crosman
then Tom Gaylord say's that the shroud, muzzel brake and trigger are to be left alone as to keep the price "down", the KISS principle (keep it simple stupid) let the mod's guys do the work and then crosman offers the value pack, the full meal and the BIGGY size in $$$$ or go and buy the value pack and MOD it, your choice. have it your way like MacDonalds
but for $245.00 for the gun as you say, this is just a STEAL and wait for the next generation of the DISCO and then see what a PCP gun can do. a challenge to the 850 from RWS
warren
and remember "it's 30% the gun and 70% the shooter"
Josh said initial sales numbers were encouraging. He also mentioned that if this rifle does well, there may be other PCPs in the lineup. Perhaps a pistol?? The current rifle leaves wide room for custom shop ater-market mods as well as mods by tuners.
I just think that if you look at what you have, it isn't a big leap of faith to say you'll get your money's worth. A stock CO2 2260 will set you back almost $100. Now add a steel breech to that gun, a high pressure tube hydo'd to 12,000 psi, a new high pressure, pinned valve, a walnut stock and nicer open sights. I don't know about you, but I bet you'd have more than $250 in a gun if you tried to do it yourself. Is it perfect - no. But what gun really is. Herb makes a big deal out of having to do mods to the gun. I know of PCP costing $1,000 and more that you can't shoot out of the box. I figure with $245 invested, I have a lot of room for improvements.
"but I'll be needin' that gun, fer squirrels and such."
I ordered the Discovery from Pyramyd in .22 with the hand pump and a spare co2 bottle, gun will shoot using compressed air 1800 psi or co2. sounds great. weighs 5 pounds. go to pyramyd air and click on gaylords articles, lots of stuff there on the Discovery.
Delivery aropund early March. too good to pass up. .22 at 900 fps 25 hard shots before refilling.
I mean you have that long steel tube for the compressed air, walnut stock, etc. Yes no spring or piston, but still I think the gun should be around 6-6.5lbs, unless it's much smaller and shorter but I guess 39" is kind of small. Unless they found some low denstity "walnut" wood 