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How many lbs. pull do you have in your trigger?

January 19 2008 at 2:36 AM
Warren  (Login lettercarrier)
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I complained and bitched about the plastic trigger in my RWS's until I got slapped down by people that knew way to much about them.

TO1 and TO5 RWS plastic triggers' are fine, match competition shooters have them (plastic triggers). They are not that sensitive to temperature changes and have their advantages over metal.

I know of people that have their RWS funs with a 2.5 lbs. pull. To me that is unsafe, I like the 3. That two stage at 2.5 is scary when hunting, for tearing paper it might be OK, but not in the field where you do not know when the opportunity of the game will show up

then the rush to aim, target sight, yards to target evaluation, windage and your adrenaline pumping with a 2.5 trigger pull!!!! SCARY for me

I would like to read posts about what your preference is on your trigger pull in lbs.

warren

and remember "it's 30% the gun and 70% the shooter"

 
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(Login paw080)
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Hi Warren....

January 19 2008, 4:57 AM 


I'll assume you are only referring to airguns used in hunting. I hunted(distant past)
using my .22 HW 80 and my .177 FWB 124D. The HW80 was set to about 12 ozs and my
FWB 124 was set to around 1.5-2.0 lbs. I never took a rushed shot, all my hunting
was stalking cottontails in semi desert conditions, so I saw them before they saw me.
I do understand your cautionary stand, it's a valid one. At the time I was doing
a lot of ten meter AR shooting with a match rifle that has a trigger set to around
six ozs. So 1.5 lbs felt heavy in comparison.
Tony G

 
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Re: Hi Warren....

January 19 2008, 6:57 AM 

Tony's right. When you shoot a match rifle or pistol long enough you get used to the finer trigger. That is Not to say sporter triggers are bad in any way, just different. They start out being made for a different kind of shooting and so they need to have a bit of cautionary design right off the bat. Plus, the hunter is in an unknown situation while the ten meter shooter is in a highly predictable environment. 100% predictable. So the gear more or less is made to the fit the conditions and type of shooting.

My preference is for a trigger which I feel does not interfere with my follow through. Although if you saw my follow through you might wonder why I'm worried about it lol.

Harv

 
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Warren
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Six ozs. Tony?

January 19 2008, 2:08 PM 

ten meters AR shooting with match rifle, trigger set at 6 ozs., is that a typo

FWB 124 was set to around 1.5 to 2.0 lbs. now that I can understand

interesting point about triggers

thank you

warren




and remember "it's 30% the gun and 70% the shooter"

 
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(Login JBURRY)
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Re: Six ozs. Tony?

January 21 2008, 11:15 AM 

6oz is no typo!

A friend of mine is a gunsmith and former powder match shooter. He has a thing for double set triggers. His second triggers typically break at only 1 or 2 oz. First time I tried one, I hadn't realized that my finger had touched the trigger when it tripped (dry... ). After messin' with'em for a day, they were easy, predictable and sure. It's not what the trigger pulls, it's what the trigger finger is used to pulling. You can learn to use any trigger safely, but a fellow who's only shot 6# gamos' his whole life will find even a 3# diana trigger to be a "hair" trigger.

Of course, that same 1 or 2 oz double set isn't great for hunting. He springs'em different for that, up to 4 or 5 oz....

J

 
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I think

January 21 2008, 12:30 PM 

2.5 would be perfect for my Diana. I think the T05 is closer to 3.5lbs from the factory. I 'd like it to be just slightly less, by about 0.5lb maybe 3/4lb.

 
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Warren
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You know what

January 21 2008, 12:44 PM 

It amazes me that people spend more time with mounts, scopes, springs, tunes etc. but do not understand the importance of trigger pull

you buy a $200, $300, $400 gun, should I go on and on and never understand the trigger. all the attention is on other things (FPS) more velocity more glass on the scope

I have learned many things about air guns but the unspoken thing is the trigger, old folks that have learned the OLD way look at those little details that get overlooked by the new ones

the trigger, I have found out is way to much important but some do not find it important, how wrong. Jason my eyes are more open with your info than yesterday without it

thanks

warren

and remember "it's 30% the gun and 70% the shooter"

 
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Harvey
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Re: You know what

January 21 2008, 1:50 PM 

Part of the reason you're seeing more interest in the ancillaries is that its easier to buy all the other stuff than it is to learn the rifle. People come on line and want to participate. But they can't shoot as well as they'd like. So they've got a little extra money and willingly spend it so they have something to talk about on line.

They'll talk about anything but the hardest deal. The actual off hand shooting of the rifles or pistols. Oh sure you see a few, but those posts don't usually garner too many replies. That's a more elite group. And don't confuse them with the rested shooters. Rested shooters shoot for the groups the rifles are capable of, not so much what the individual is capable of. But in the daily quick reading we all do, we translate those rested groups to the shooters themselves. Its easy to do, and of course, it takes skill even to shoot a rested rifle well. They absolutely should get some credit for what they've accomplished. But there is a well defined line if one is paying attention to what's being said. I say give credit where credit is due but know in your own mind there is a difference between rested groups and offhand groups. In other words, congratulate for good shooting (no matter how its done) but keep your mouth shut about what you really know lol. Its just not worth it to point things out on the internet and all it does is start pointless arguments. Egos around airgun forums seem to be especially fragile. I don't know why, but I'm not here to ruffle feathers either.

Finally to your point. Which is a good one I might add.

You can break down triggers to two general schools of thought.

The first is that a trigger should break cleanly. Some refer to finely adjusted Rekord triggers as "breaking like glass". I know what they mean, I've got a rack full of Rekord triggered air rifles. People will go into detail about length of first stage, pull weights (the most common comments), overtravel and first and second stage weights. What they're talking about is stage resistances. How much does one want in order that the trigger doesn't pull the shooter of the aim point?

The second school believes that any abrupt (even light) resistance whether the trigger is a single or two stage is to be eliminated. This group looks for a pull so smooth, so entirely unobtrusive that when the gun goes off it surprises the shooter. Problem is, to have that kind of uninterrupted sear disengagement also means the shooter has to be statuesque once the sights are on target.

There are certain targets which are pies, essentially, that subjugate what the shooter is doing wrong into slices. You put up the target and fire a ton of rounds. If you're consistant and place all your shots in a particular slice, you can read the target and it'll tell you what it is you're doing incorrectly. I love these targets.

There's more, but others can share it if they like. Basically, I'm holding off to see if you're going to do the work part and get.. a slice of the pie

Harv

ps: hey, they did that to me a long time ago hahaha tradition I guess

Tell us how things go. They totally sucked for me when I got started in this game... so don't feel like you're never going to get it. You will. Trust me.




 
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Warren
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Harv

January 21 2008, 2:09 PM 

even the little details are explained in long logical sequenced lines by you

I have read your reply two times, one as a straight read and the other between the lines

better explanation (from you) than the write up blog of 6 oz or 1.5 lbs and go with 2 lbs in the trigger pull

still all guns are different even two RWS 34 with consecutive serial #'s. they will shoot way different. on one the droop barrel, on the other the FPS and then to compound the issue way different in pellet selection

one thing I am learning at the speed of 1,000 fps ( and is not close to speed of sound) is to stay with your keeper gun, shoot it consistently and master that one. better to love once than to say you have been loved many times

warren

PS: HEY Harv did I say thank you very much, maybe I did not say it but am writing it now

and remember "it's 30% the gun and 70% the shooter"

 
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