Boy have I found the right sight! Talk about passion for our sport, I thought you guys were gona kill each other! LOL. (glad to see you guys made up!!) WOW! Any way, Im new here,but will say I LOVE Diana Guns! I own,a 54 & 460. (have sold or traded off my 34,s & 48) I too am following the Discovery SAGA, but must say it will take an act of GOD to de-throne my 54!! Even though Ive got most bugs worked out on my 460 (2 trips back to Umarex) and am getting Great results w/ it now, my 54 RULES!! (22) (460 is 177). My short list has had 350 on it for a while, & can get one rediculosly cheap from local gun shop, but its 177 & I really want it in 22. If a crow at 40+ yrds. started that, Ill definatly not say what I killed last season at 10 yrds. w/ my 54!!LOL.! Dont want my but kicked on first post! Tim,AKA. Dragonslayer.
Good to have you aboard.
Yeah we get a little hot headed here once in a while but we always kiss and make up
Dave is sending me a crow suit he found on sale at Cabella's and I 'm sending him a nice custom squirrel suit with a big bushy tail he can walk through the woods with
Seriously though, too bad you didn't get the 460 in .22. If you had, you wouldn't have a need for the 350 .22. They two are very similar in power, maybe 5 or 10fps difference at the most here and there which is negligent. If it's crows you 're after, you definitely need an airgun that shoots far & hard. It's extremely hard to get near them and they are supposedly very smart. The .22 Crossman Premier I shot the crow with, went right through it so it had plenty of power left. You can do that with the 460 .177 but you have to be more accurate with a .177. The .22 has a bigger "kill zone" than a .177. It causes more damage with a bigger wound channel and delivers greater shock to the animal with a vitals (non-head) shot. See this article by a very experienced airgun reviewer and hunter Tom Holzel: http://www.velocitypress.com/BeemanKodiak.shtml
just look at the pictures of the woodchuck drawings on the first page and you 'll understand.
Glad to have you with us. The airgun sport is growing and so is this forum. I can't keep up commenting on every post anymore. It's getting very busy around here so I hope you have a lot of time in your hands
Thanks Harry! This is a great site! Great to feel "at home"! Yes I know 460 &350 are close in performance. I must say I think I would be happier w/350 vrs. my 460, just cause I like the convienence of a break barrel. Hold sensative issues have not been an issue w/ me w/ any of my current or past Dianas! They all shoot great! Anyway thanks for the welcome my friend. Tim.
Hello tim and welcome to this site. We sometimes get involved in disagreements but as Harry said we tend to get through them pretty quickly. There's a bit of ribbing here and there but no problems are longlasting.
You have a 54, eh? Niiiice rifle.
I have to say that terminal energy matters little if the pellet doesn't reach the mark. Even lower powered airguns will take larger small game with properly placed hits.
Back in the day the Diana 35 was considered The powerhouse. A midpowered air rifle by today's standards. It won its reputation based on being accurate. There are a lot of older shooters who would never post a word about the animals they were able to consistantly take with the venerable Diana 35 because these days on the internet, they would be swallowed whole by the people who believe they know more than the old shooters who've actually done it. Its all about shot placement.
When the FWB124 came out it didn't have as much power as it got when Robert Beeman decided to offer it with a more powerful spring. It was the king's court to have a rifle shooting pellets at 800fps. It even had a different name. I believe it was called the FWB 112. Something like that anyway.
When I first got into this sport with any seriousness, my goal was to own just two airguns. The FWB 124 for high power and the FWB 300 for ten meter and culling purposes. Realistically, that should have been all I ever needed. It would have covered my needs with astounding accuracy above all. Because accuracy is most important. Its all that's important.
Once pellet placement is achieved, then its really a matter of a low to mid powered airgun for one use and the second higher powered airgun for the longer range stuff.
Trust me, duplicating power levels varying only by a few or ten fpe (in multiple airguns) is going to matter less than being able to repeatedly hit what the shooter is aiming at with just one airgun.
Thanks for the welcome Harv! I too remember as a teen the "cool" airguns of the 70,s! I had all the brochures avail. at the time! Those were "adult" guns & priced as such!! ( I had to settle for my Cros. 760 & 1377!) If I had a FBW 124, I dont think there would be many sqirrels left in eastern S.C.!! Yea I LOVE my 54,(22) Im starting to like my 460 also,(I had some problems with it). Umarex service was GREAT!! I wish I never sold my 34,s & 48. As to crows,,, I cant even open the bathroom window & there gone! Ive taken a few from my shooting bench that did not see me untill too late! I love this site! Thanks,Tim.
Those dang crows are too cautious aren't they? I put the blind up on my bathroom window and they go: "see ya!!" even though they 're 30+yds away. What's amazing is, that not all of them have to see you, only 1 or 2. When they fly away they give out some kind of signal to the rest to do the same.
Just curious: What kind of problems did you have with your 460? How long have you had it? Umarex is pretty good about taking care of the customers.
Harry,THOSE crows, super alert crowd! Ive had my 460 for 5 or 6 mo. now. I purchased it from a local gun shop that carrys some Diana,Gamo ect. for $450. It was about the time they were becoming available?. I wanted to order 22 from P.A., But when I held that baby in my hands & "Scott" said take $50 off ($450) ,I said BOX it up! About a week,(almost 1000 rounds later) I noticed an over night drop of about 150 fps.. I must add that during this time 3 or 4 times out of 10 it would not cock to the last "detent?". I "boxed" it up & second day shipped to Umarex. Shipped on Wen. gun was back folowing Tues. & Mon. was holliday!!! Velocity was back! Umarex informed me it was broken mainspring and fixed it free! However the not fully cocking syndrome continued to raise its ugly head. It would cause an abrubt halt to a somewhat heavy but otherwise smooth cocking. I guess that is why the cocking arm bent/ cracked at base. Back to Umarex! Again, great service & repaired free! Anyway it shoots great,very powerfull,but still sometimes does not cock all the way but I just "jigle" a little for final lock. It seems to be getting better. When I get $ Im sending it to Charlie, its a great gun & worthy of a full tune! Same gun shop has a 350 I can get for $325,,HMMMM LOL! Sorry so long of post. Addicted in S.C.,,Tim.
Warren: Last time in the shop they said I could have it for $350, its been there for months w/ no takers! Im pretty shure based on my bus. w/shop I could get for $325 from "my" salesman, (he indicated that last I spoke w/ him). I would have dipped into "overdraft" right then,--- but its 177! Sorry Im upset too! Besides, I noticed some VERY interesting new offerings in the Diana line from P.A.! Have you seen them? 350 carbine w/ huge muzzle break? Could it be that a back yard redneck am. tuner like myself could move that break forward (creating an air chamber) & reducing dia. of muzzle exit hole to quiet muzzle blast?? (did that w/ my new G-1,along w/ black grease on mainspring) SUPER QUIET!! Quiet is GOOOOD! Did E mail Charlie yesterday to see if he can make me a custom break for my 54. Sorry to be ignorant on some of this, Im new to computers & cant wait till I can "FLY SOLO"! LOL. (kids & wife helped me get here!) If that 350 was 22 & I did not buy it,,of course I would help arange purchase for you! Sorry, Tim.
Warren: I believe Tim said that 350 is .177 caliber which is why he didn't consider it. I wouldn't either. .22 all the way! Why get 1,000-1,100fps for 20-21FPE with smaller caliber, when you can have 22-24FPE with more manageable 800-900fps velocities (for accuracy), and a larger caliber?
Tim:
That 350 carbine version does not really have a muzzle break. It's there for additional weight to balance the gun better in the absense of a long barrel. Diana calls them "barrel weight" but you can get someone to build you a custom break to quiet the gun down I 'm sure. The prices are a little steep, especially when most of the new Diana variations/models don't have checkering, but only the "classic look". Monte Carlo style stock which is what the 350,460,52 and 54 have, costs more and of course the checkering adds to the price as well. This is why the high prices of these "plain wood" guns don't make sense, but we think it's the dollar-to-Euro exchange rate that has driven prices up on these new comers. I think as soon as they realize they are not selling too well, they 'll bring the prices down a little. The Turkish 28-30FPE Webley Patriots were in the high $400's when they came out if I remember correctly, and now they 're low $400's on PA.
If it is the same mw that Diana offers as a Tuning Accessory , it's held on with a single grub screw. That said yes it can be slid forward to create an air chamber . Afterall it's the same mw on my 40 ...
