Aguila - Unacceptably Loud
CCI - Much quieter than Aguila, but still unacceptable
Diana - Acceptable
CONCLUSION
The 2 subsonic type bullets tested through a 6” barrel are not nearly as quiet as the Diana 350 Mag.
I may try Remington CB’s (38gr) but I doubt there will be much change.
Someone had suggested that subsonic 22 shorts might be more effective than longs for sound suppression.
I cannot rationalize that since they are both cb.
The ultimate determining factor in 22 cb noise suppression appears to be related to barrel length.
Since I don’t have a 22 rifle, I cannot test or compare.
.22 subsonic + 6” barrel vs. Diana 350 Mag = NO CONTEST - Diana wins.
Now you see!! (told ya!!) LOL. 350 RULES! Look into a muzzle break you can "slide" forward, to create an air chamber,,tune & lube,,VERY QUIET!! Try CB,s in a long brl. rifle,,very quiet,& legal! No offense Ctruth,,Im always trying to be "quiet"---Legaly!! E-mail me,,Tim.
No typo
The aguila's are 60gr.
The bullet is longer than the casing.
I was trying to kill two birds with one stone (on the cheap)
I wanted to test a cb round that would also eject. I think I overdid it.
Another thing...I could swear those things went supersonic. I mean 2" into a phone book?
Methinks the Aguila snipers were designed for guns already out-fitted with noise suppressors.
try the Aguila with the hummingbird on the box.....
February 21 2008, 7:29 PM
the name escapes me right now. shot out of my 4" taurus 94 some of my springers are louder. posted before, think the SSS round needs a special rate of twist.
Re: try the Aguila with the hummingbird on the box.....
February 21 2008, 8:05 PM
Joe
Thank you
If I’m not mistaken the Taurus 94 is a revolver.
The problem with the automatic Ruger is the cycling action. Even though the CCI’s weren’t able to cycle properly (eject) they moved the bolt back far enough (in my opinion) to blow out some gas (sound) .
NOT GOOD!
The currently available Aguila subsonics I’ve found are all 38, 40, or 60gr. Also NOT GOOD!
Yea I got heavilly into the cute little bullets too! SHot many a " CaliforniaTarget Squirrel" with the round and have made many orchard owners aware that it is possible to safely rid their grounds (for predator species) of the Squirrels in ways other than broadcast Poisioning.
First of all PLEASE for safety's sake remember, it IS a real bullet and load and if you place the muzzle near a 2x4 it WILL shoot through! It will also shoot THROUGH a sheet of plywood at 20 yards and keep on going with DANGEROUS power! Never discount the deadlyness of any bullet! Remember in the Civil War days, the Black Powder .22 short from a pistol was considered lethal. Be carefull!
Nuff said?
My usual gun is a prototype Remington Nylon-12 that I got years ago. The rifle was already shot and I, as a shooter figgured that the Maker and it's agent/gunsmith made the little carbine to shoot, so I did! NO sacralige ment... The CB is often loaded with varied powder/propellent charges and the actual velocity of even 20 rounds varies considerablly! If one wants Match accuracy, this is NOT a cartrige to seek it in! For general hunting, the sporadic squib is nothing but a nusance and can be forgotten for the most part.
You can expect decent 30 to 50 yard usage and if you sight in at 25-30 yards, the 50 yad shot isn't hard to estimate. If you like to "Indian-up" to 20 -30 yards, tour stalking will pay off with zero'ed hits in vital areas with ease.
Impact and penetration of the 29 gr slug is often good for a solid head shot and sometimes a thru chest or lung shot. The 29 gr Solid is a good anchor whereever it lands within Sportsmanlike Kill Zones and neither bone or multiple vitals slow it from it's deed. Fore/aft shots are to be avoided in all sincerity as the round is too slow to drill through that much varmit!
As a target round, don't expect to beat a good airgun's chances. The slow and oft mal-loaded rimfire is not that consistant... Use it for the most casual targets.
I still like the CB because it goes bang, ejects an empty, and you can get extra use from several of your favorite Rimfire guns. It's pretty cheap and can be safely used if one follows common sense rules.
Great little round but no challenge to a decent airgun!
ZVP
This message has been edited by ZVP from IP address 75.6.136.155 on Feb 21, 2008 8:30 PM
I agree. I think the .29gr would definitely be the best way to go in subsonics.
Good safety advice, never too much of that to emphasize!
.22’s seem docile enough, but man, them suckers just keep going and going……
CCI: “WARNING: Range 1.5 miles”
I just wish I had a nice simple bolt action rifle. Not as my regular gun, just as a backup. Or from what I hear, a revolver might also work.
Of course now, I could try placing the heel of my hand left on the back of the bolt while shooting to eliminate the gas blowback on my Ruger.
But that would be breaking the safety rules.
LOL
PS: The .22 cb/Ruger was a little alternative theory that I was itching to try. I’m really glad it didn’t work out, because like you, I’m here because I believe an air gun can be just as effective and a lot safer.
Did I mention fun, (as in not having to field strip it after every session)?
tennessee guns imports the tula toz 78, it can be bought for less than $100.Mine is very accurate,it also has a nice adjustable trigger. It's the gun the winchester wildcat rifle is based on.
Marlin model 60 semi-automatic .22LR that is still being made I believe. Last I looked this was the most popular .22 ever sold (like 40yrs now?). I have one that I bought new in '83. Aren't those still pretty cheap? I was thinking of getting another one because mine has been beaten up a lot and has been dropped a couple of times. Extremely accurate rifle for the $69.95 I paid..
Can we order rimfire rifles over the Web? I haven't checked. I don't even have any gun stores around here anymore. They all closed, moved, or went out of business. Closest one is about 35-40min. away. I seem to have gotten lazy lately and don't want to drive far. I think it's the winter. Once spring is here I 'll be getting out more
Diana 350 Mag .22
Hammerli 850 .22
A few Crosman CO2 & Pump .177
What you were testing weren't CB's but subsonic .22 long rifles. CB's have only a very little bit of special powder in them, plus the lighter, 29 grain bullets. True CB's would have been quieter out of your Ruger. As for the penetration tests, that six inch barrel would not have burned all of the powder, so velocities on the subsonics was likely lower than normal.
CB's are fun from a rifle but I would not use them to hunt with at twenty five yards, much less fifty. They are really short-range numbers. When you use them, be sure to note the impact of every round. Longer barrels with tight or dirty bores can sometimes lodge a CB round. Since they are so quiet it is hard to tell when this happens. If you shoot another it can ring or bulge the barrel.
Haven't seen that Handle for a while! Good to have the chance to answer!
Yea, the Calif Ground Squirrel is a little fellow, most weigh under a pound and once I got the POI and trajectory dialed in on my little Remington R/F, I chose a 25 yard Zero and worked around that. I checked and the avg velocity was 700fps from the 18" bbl put that together with the calculations and the little 29 grainer (Remington Golden or CCI hit the little guys loke a howidzer.
I was at first really suprised at how many heart/lung shots exited off howling into the distance after killing the tree rat, but a quick 30 yard, 3/8"Plywood "test" proved out the incredable penetration (and the richoet beyond) that a CB actually has!
My Long 6 1/2" Single Six even penetrated thru the plywood (Somthing to consider safety-wise too!). Even if they are quiet these are still REAL bullets period.
I still consider the Sporter class air rifle the best Ground Squirrel gun, as I like to stalk up close and take a clean, sure shot even with a scope. No use making even a pest species suffer. My choice of rifles has run from the venerable Sheridan, Crosman 180 (Mac-1 Super Tuned), and various Springers 700fps and up to Magnum Class. A sportsman MUST always use enough gun/power for humane shots.
I no longer hunt, but consider it still an honorable Hobby when done with class.
Good to see your name again, hope ya remember me too!
I don't think you will find a new one again for $69. Time marches on. They are now about $130 for the plain Jane models. Still can be found used for abotu $70 in pawn shops.
how much does a new (plain) Marlin model 60 .22LR go for? $150? I like the multi-shot tubular magazine. Maybe I 'll get one with some checkering if they still make them. I think I 'm going to order some sub-sonic .22LR if they are as quiet as I hear they are. 700-800fps is all I need for varmint with a 40gr bullet. That's 50FPE, or even a 29gr bullet would do at 36fpe if I come face to face with that very large racoon that 's been coming around. I know my 350 can take it, but it's nice to know I can shoot the .22LR "quitely" if I wanted to.
Diana 350 Mag .22
Hammerli 850 .22
A few Crosman CO2 & Pump .177
Subsonics are kind of short range propositions. I know .22lr seems like a powerhouse compared to some airguns, but they are near the bottom of the firearms rankings.
Don't believe Marlin makes a checkered model anymore. If I were to buy one today, it would be the stainless with the gray laminated stock. Nice gun, but the triggers are pretty rough and can't easily be tuned much. Semi-auto's are iffy, anyway, with the lower powered rounds. Some will cycle while others won't. Get yourself a decent Remington 550. Out of production a long time now but will fire shorts and long rifles. Some even cycle CB's. Expect to pay around $200 or so for a nice one.
It does with mine. 
The CB is often loaded with varied powder/propellent charges and the actual velocity of even 20 rounds varies considerablly! If one wants Match accuracy, this is NOT a cartrige to seek it in! For general hunting, the sporadic squib is nothing but a nusance and can be forgotten for the most part.