Hey Marcelo,Would you mind posting a article on the tune you did on Dave@vbch's 34?A lot of us here have 34's and I for one would love to see a masters approach to tuning one.All of your articles are exelent,as you go into detail on your methods.If I sound as if Im sucking up to you to get you to post one of your fine articles,your right.I have no shame!Ha ,Ha.Anywaya all kidding asside,it would be appreciated immensely.
Hey Tim ,if you go to the Crossman fourm and then go to the Vintage section ther e are some posts there.Also go to the Vintage section links,and look at the Straight Talk section.Lots of good info there!
Thats like asking David Copperfield how he does his magic.,or asking a custom painter how he makes colors blend.
Talk about getting personal.
Marcelo Z is a master at what he does.I am pertty sure his magic is created by knowlege and natural skill,if he shares this information with you I will be amazed.
I can not believe the personal questions you guys ask sometimes.
Sorry If I piss you off
But Come on !!! Talk about getting personal!!!
Read ,Pratice and learn.Just Like Marcelo did when he was a young man.
Ass kissing yes,leaches yes,info I doubt it or he will unveil all his long learned secrets.
Respectfully
Bob Schlund
Still striving to be a tuner half as good as Marcelo Z.(trial and error)But doing it myself and learning from mistakes.And always remembering it has to be learned not told.
No wonder he doesn't like posting here anymore.
He said that a few days ago after Tim's statment.
REMEMBER???
How are you suposed to learn as a home hobbiest?By trial and error ruining your guns?I saw no disrespect or butt kissing. Odd a forum you can read but don't ask questions?........now I'm hoping I'm not alone feeling this is uncalled for...............Harold
This is what I'm talking about re the current collective
February 25 2008, 4:31 AM
Bob, the question posed about tuning is pretty standard on other forums, airguns, firearms, archery, you name it. It's one of the main reasons folks join them, to gain knowledge from others who have and share it. This is not an exclusive country club nor the magician's union. And ripping someone a new one, then ending "Respectfully"....where's the respect in that?
on this forum and others. Do some searching and reading.
Just about every tweak, trick, mod, repair on springers,
pumpers, gassers and PCPs can be found by searching through
the various AG forums and various AG websites. It's all there
for free but requires some work to find it, read and study it.
DAQ, Jan Kraner, Paul Watts, Ed K., Tim M. and sooooo many other
smiths, tuners, tinkerers, makers of custom parts, etc. have
answered soooo many questions and shared soooo much information
along with detailed pics.
There's soooo many knowledgable to very knowledgable airgun guys
that post here, on the various Yellow forums, at the Crosman Forum,
at the Vintage AG forum, at the Airgun Advice forum, at the BBS
AG forum, at Gateway AG forum, at the BSA AG forum, JM's forum,
at AG forums from Canada to way down under where the great Harry
Fuller (Yrrah) lives.
Wow,some folks are touchy!Well as I stated a few posts up that Marcelo has posted some of his work @ other fourms and gives some great insight as to how and why he does things.I dont belive he would not post this info if he didnt want to share his "secrets".My intention was to get info out,about a specfic airgun that a lot of folks have to make it a tad better,from a master tuner,so that we all could benifit from it.If that makes me a @$$ kissing ,leach so be it.At least I can identify my problem!As this post may go south from here ,I wont antagonise.Relax,breath deep,and remember every day is good,some are just better!
Here is a MZ "How I did it" post from this forum . Not a 34 tune but a 46 . Bear in mind that a 46 is basically an under levered 34 and ,well..., some ideas may come to mind .
Marcelo has been very free with sharing his progress . He may not tell *all* of what he knows , but enough to get you started on your own skills snd learning curve. That is what it's all about . Thank you MZ .
Hey rick,,Tim here, Thanks for the info! Thats the kind of posts from Marcelo Z. I wanted to see. As I understand he has made several like it & has no prob. helping novice tuners. And yeah, (to other poster) I screwed up & pi$$ed M.Z. off. Read further & you will see we worked it out. I have the utmost respect for Marcelo. Hey Warren,, check out M.Z. post,, "How I Did It",,,,(2 beers & 7 coils from spring),, Thats my kinda people!! My tune post would more likely read,, (7 beers & 2 spring coils "hacked off")!! LOL.!! Good shootin guys,Tim. P.S. Hey Dave,, Hows that new M.Z. 34 treating you?? Did you find a bed big enough for you & your Ladys?? Ha Ha! I heard he acualy let you watch him tune it & shared his secrets,,,Hmmmmmmmm? Tim.
Uuuussseeee the seeeeeaaaaaaarrrrrcchhh buuuuuuuttttttttoooooooonnnnnnn.... (like Rick has)
Not only is it fun to see how people did things, but you get a good feel for the TOOLS people use for these projects.
Thaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnkkkkkksssssss
Haaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrr v
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I think I'll have to make a trip to the hardware store,and purchase some brass washers.What I started doing is going to the first post of the fourm and work my way foward.Everyone has some good info to share and its these bits of info that make this fourm a great learning place!
Hey Mr Z.,,Glad you made it back Stateside safely! Hope all went well on your trip. Great to see you post here again. Have been tryin to learn all I can from your past posts,& have found a few.(great!) Rick thouhtfully provided me w/links I could find,Others "teased" me about my lack of computer skills?? Great to have you back Marcelo! Tim.
Marcello, welcome back. I hope you had a successful trip. Did you tune any guns while you were away? I have been shooting my tuned 34 almost daily, and it does indeed shoot like a R7. I use to shoot my 34. then immediately switch to my 460 mag. 22. and comment on how the two guns were similar but the 34 more harsh and almost as hard to cock. Well, yesterday, I shot the 460. and man, the cocking now felt like a bear after shooting the tuned 34. The 34 now is such a pleasure to shoot. It's got to be the smoothest 34. on the planet! Needless to say that I am very proud on my New 34, not to mention my vintage Hw 30. I may get rid of some gun in the future, who knows, but never the two that were "birthed" by Marcelo Z!
