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350's - Why so many used ones showing up lately?

March 21 2008 at 1:31 PM

RedFeather  (Login RedFeather)
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Someone asked this on the Yellow but it's not getting much play, so I thought I would ask here in 350/460 land. I will say that I have seen some really sweet deals on these in past month. Are they heavy recoilers or what? Most don't seem to have had a lot of use, if at all.


 
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Auda
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68.98.244.33

You answered your own question

March 21 2008, 2:10 PM 

ny

 
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RedFeather
(Login RedFeather)
72.83.243.103

Searched a bit here

March 21 2008, 2:23 PM 

Seems the 350 needs a bit of a break-in period. If it's like a lot of hot springers, I imagine someone not familiar with that will be put off. Also, and this is something that I don't think is fully appreciated here what with many hunters on board, that much power can be misplaced if shooting indoors or in a small back yard. Got be pretty careful you don't shoot a hole through the wall.

Too bad, as every 350 I have seen has been very nice looking. Tempted, as there is one on the Yellow classifieds right now for $250, shipped.




 
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(Login airbethere)
4.244.159.99

Maybe some....

March 21 2008, 3:09 PM 

due to the Benji Disco craze. LOL Better sell this 350M or sell this
Benji 392 LE or sell this MA 2260 or sell this PSP 13xx, etc. and get
me a Benji Disco!

Only thing that really didn't appeal to me about a 350M is the 48"
OAL. Only one I ever owned went straight from the dealer to Paul Watts
for full tune and carbinisation (12" bbl). Now one can purchase a
factory carbine version.

I've read posts from those that consider a Webley Xocet heavy and hard
to cock - even a few that thought the same of a R7 and D24! Those folks
wouldn't like a 350M. IMO the 350M is a lighter and easier to cock full
magnum springer.

Right now it's 350Ms - use to be Patriot/Kodiaks, the big Theoben
rammers, etc. Probably a lot of those guys that sold 'em ran to the
"darkside"! LOL

Herb

 
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(Login only1harry)
71.169.35.218

that's the problem

March 21 2008, 2:46 PM 

.. people don't shoot them enough to smooth them out and start experiencing a more pleasurable shooting experience or some better accuracy. Plus with a scope (especially a full size Leapers 6-24x50 like the 350 posted 4sale here), the gun weighs 9.5+lbs perhaps much closer to 10lbs. The gun has a fair amount of recoil and some twang and torquing during the first 400-500 shots. Some get better sooner some closer to 1,000 shots and the gun keeps breaking in until about 2,000 shots.

I believe many of these 350's on sale are also people's 1st airgun or adult air rifle. The 350 is also fairly noisy and many people have this picture in their mind of a "BB gun" that is quiet and easy to handle and shoot. Like we have said before, this is not a gun for a beginner getting into airguns. Some think they are going to plink with a 350 all day long, not a good assumption.

These are the main reason people sell a 350. I have also seen a fair amount of 48's 4sale since November in just the airgun classifieds web site alone. I would say easily 4-5 48's. I would think they are selling them for the same reasons.

Actually there are a few other reasons I could go into.. ok here 's one but I 'll stop at that.
My brother in-law owned a Diana 52 .177 a couple of years ago which I had no idea until this past Christmas when we got together at my in-laws for the holidays. I had asked him if he still had groundhogs and racoons on his 2.5 acre property because I remember him telling me that his closest neighbor, an older lady, had called the cops on him a couple of years back when he shot a G-hog with his 12ga shotgun. He said he had bought this powerfull air rifle, etc. instead. To make a long story short he sold it because he shot a G-Hog and he ran down the hole. He also shot a squirrel, which seemed to have disappeared in the woods after it got knocked off the tree. He 's not sure, but thinks he shot them "somewhere in the body". I asked if it were possible they were hit in the hind quarters or butt, and he said "I don't know, I thought I was aiming at the center of the body..". So he sold the 52 because he thought it didn't have enough power and when the old lady died over a year ago. He 's now back at shooting his .22 and shotgun sometimes because the new neighbors don't complain or they are at work when he uses firearms.

This is one clueless brother-in-law I have.. he 's actually my wife's sister's husband.. so he 's my sister-in-law's husband (not brother-in-law.. I guess). So it's possible there are many out there like him perhaps selling a Magnum springer for that reason. The powder burners he uses where his dad's which he got after he passed away except for the 52 which a gun shop owner talked him into buying when he walked in looking for fishing lures. He had never shot a gun in his life up until he was 45yrs old, and knows absolutely NOTHING about firearms or any type of guns. He never had anyone advise him or tell him anything about guns. I asked him what shot# he uses with his shotgun and replied "I don't know, my dad had a couple of boxes..". I asked him if his .22 is short, LR, 22Mag, he doesn't know. He said he found 3 boxes in his dad's house.. I ask who makes the .22, he doesn't know!! I gave up.. well almost. He does have a lot of game on his property and a nice 70-80yd range so I promised to teach him a few things, cleaning the guns, shooting them properly, etc. if he would let me do some long range target shooting with my 350 and watch me use it to resolve his little groundhog (watch how it's done) problem in the summertime
He also shoots feral cats and just about anything that moves or crawls on his property, so I have a lot of educating and convincing to do when I go over there in another month or so when it warms up. To show you how bad he is, he shot a racoon a couple of months ago from just a few feet away on his deck with his "12ga". The racoon was wounded and ran away. It was around the beginning of the year. He called me to tell me about it and to ask me if there 's something he might be doing wrong because I had asked him to call me with any gun handling or hunting questions. I finally managed to learn after much conversing, that he has a 20ga. and not a 12ga and was using bird shot#7.5! Not only that, the gun apparently has a choke which seemed to be opened all the way causing the pellets to scatter all over his deck from 10-12ft away. So he damaged his deck as well. Totally clueless and very dangerous individual!

Sometimes these are the people that return or sell a gun.. you just never know. Hey if a shotgun can't bring down a racoon then they must sell it because it's not doing the job or they need a "better one". God only knows sometimes what their motive or justification is.

 
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(Login lettercarrier)
72.91.153.87

and to add to that

March 21 2008, 2:58 PM 

why are they selling the PCP Discovery also???

your expectations of buying an air gun you are unfamiliar with will not wet your appetite but decrease it to the extent that you have no desire for another one

but, you do not see a gun that costs $500.00 sold at $250.00 because half the brain of the seller knows the value of the gun and the other half is clueless of what the gun is capable

many things go into selling and buying and most are just the fastest and the new ones in the minds of clowns. don't get me wrong, I can take slow it's just stupid that I do not understand

warren

PS: I will take the 5th on the basis that if I answer I will encriminate myself

and remember "it's 30% the gun and 70% the shooter"

 
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RedFeather
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I think you guys have hit it on the head

March 21 2008, 6:27 PM 

Powerful, good looking, fairly well-priced for a German gun, not Chinese knock-off. Probably a very glowing write-up from the dealers to intice that first time buyer. My first springer was as Daisy 1100 (Gamo Delta) that I picked up about ten years ago when Service went out of business. This was the most "adult" air rifle they had. While I was very impressed with the accuracy (judged against a Daisy 25 from forty years ago), I did notice it was very twangy. I can only imagine if had been a 350. Probably half the sellers are scared of them.

 
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(Login only1harry)
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There 's really

March 21 2008, 6:57 PM 

nothing to be scared about. I think it only has slightly more recoil than my friend's Beeman RX2. I like shooting the 350 but if these people have not shot a springer before or any other firearm, and have probably expected it to shoot like their friend's CO2 pistol, they might get scared a little I suppose

BTW, I shot my neighbor's 34 Panther .22 today! I 'm glad he didn't get a 350. No room in the same neighborhood for 2 350's! I had recommended the 48 or 350 to him but also the 34 in case he didn't want to spend that much. He got his Panther 34 yesterday and had shot it less than 50 times. I shot it about 6-7 times tonight in his basement using some cheap Gamo Hunter pellets he had purchased. Again only slightly less recoil than a broken-in 350. Not a big difference. As a matter of fact he thought his 34 kicked a lot. So I went and got my 350 and brought it over which he had shot before, just to make him feel better. He actually likes the Panther but has not done any outdoor shooting yet or shot anything farther than 7-8yds in his basement plus it's his first springer and airgun since he was a teenager. He owns a lot of firearms though. I was surprised at the cocking effort of the Panther. It's about the same as the 350! I also thought it was a little hold sensitive like the 350 but maybe after it breaks in it 'll get better. I told him if he doesn't like it for some reason I would probably buy it from him (at a discounted price) but he didn't bite He said he 'll try it out for a while. He wants to use it for hunting too so I explained to him all about shot placement, and the limitations of the gun, distance, kinetic energy, etc. After I explained everything to him, he asked how many ft-lbs my 350 put out. I just said to him "don't worry about it, just a little more than yours". He wasn't paying attention a few weeks ago when he shot my 350 and I talked him into getting an adult air rifle and went over all those things with him.

 
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(Login ZVP)
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Oh yea, POWER!

March 22 2008, 1:32 PM 

 Harry,

 My new RWS-36 in .22  is a definate brother to the Panther and it too is quite a kicker. I really am getting to fall in love with my new Magnum!

 I for one really kike the 36 though and I even use it factory open sighted. I really love the precise sight picture of the pointed front sight and the small square notch!

 My 36 seems to like Crosman Premire domes the best, with Crosman Points coming in at about 10-12% wider groups out of it (Might just be me???)

 The power and LONG range trajectory are very similar to a 730-50fps .177 rifle and that's just about perfect for plinking. The awsome 20-30 yard impacts of a 13-14lb .22 is somthing to experience and the rifle would make an excellent field gun in my opnion (I no longer Hunt tho...).

 YES the big Magnum Springers kick, but you knew it was a snake when you picked it up, I HOPE!  The recoil is nothing objectionable, in fact it's rather nice to feel such POWER! Shooter's must allow these big guns to wear-in and then "if" the rifle is still too much, sell it.

 Magnums and soft shooters BOTH have their place. Both are wonderfull to use however one must not confuse the BIG gun for a toy. These Magnums are serious weapons and power levels like that must be used with caution and responsibility or a bad accident could happen! I also love my 500fps rifles. There's times you want "easy" and times only real power will do...

 I for one will surely KEEP mine! I wish I'd have had such a rifle 30 years ago!

 ZVP


 
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(Login startedwa24)
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350/460 recoil

March 22 2008, 3:22 AM 

These are heavy recoil Magnum springers. I've shot 30/30's that have less recoil, but, these guns are not powder burners. No big boom, no worry about kill ranges a mile away, and a lot more accurate at suburban distances. 30 to 50 yards is more than enough range for pests in the garden, I'm not trying to take an Elk down at 300 yards. It's important to remember what the gun is meant to do.

Older is Better

 
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(Login only1harry)
71.169.35.218

Well..

March 22 2008, 9:20 AM 

I have two 30-30's, a Marlin and a Winchester and my 350 .22 does not kick nearly as much as those. I have shot my 80's Marlin 336CS 30-30 at least 400-500 times, more than any other powder burner in my arsenal, and it's one of my favorite guns. I don't like the Winchester as much maybe because it kicks harder as it is lighter than the Marlin.

I read on other forums a while back that some people believe the 350 .177 has more recoil than the .22 for some reason, but I would not compare my 350 .22 to a 30-30. I don't know about the 460. Also the 350 .177 is a bigger scope killer than the .22 version, probably because people use light pellets and get piston slam producing a much harsher shot cycle. Most of the time if the piston seal is damaged you get a "mule-kicking", scope breaking springer.

Diana 350 Mag .22
Hammerli 850 .22
A few Crosman CO2 & Pump .177

 
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Tim
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'Kicking Guns"

March 22 2008, 4:22 PM 

Swore I was going to take a break tonight & keep my mo. shut. I cant!. (my 2 cents) Airguns vrs.powder burners relating to felt/percieved recoil. Airguns are kinda like engines,you have horsepower,&you have torque. My 460 (the "golden gun") had loads of H.P. but very little torque. I found it very uncomfortable to shoot due to the fact it kicked like a mule! (177). On the other hand,My Marlin 30-30 has a slower more torque oriented recoil that is pretty easy to deal with. Dont get me wrong,,compairing a 30-30 to a magnum springer is not fair. Just trying to make a point here. I guess what Im trying to say is h.p is a slap in the face, while torque is more of a forcefull push. Man I should have taken Dad up on his offer for Colledge!! Tim.

 
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(Login eureeka)
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Re: 'Kicking Guns"

March 22 2008, 5:20 PM 

Tim, I like your explanation using torque and horsepower.

Harv

 
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