Over the years I've seen many pics of posted groups at various
ranges out to 50 yds. by owners of springers with the great
Rekord trigger and HW barrels and I've seen many by China,
Gamo, Cometa, Diana, etc. springers. Guess those triggers and
those barrels don't have magical or supernatural powers! LOL

Another thing that gets old and stinkun are all the posts about
HW/Weihrauch quality yet there are as many if not more posts
complaining about HW flaws, defects, poor quality, etc. Read
back into the AG forums and you will see for yourself.

I'm not anti-HW I'm just into "airgun reality".

Same with those Theoben rammers - guys that own 'em
and the 'parrots' go on and on like a brainwashing experiment.
Then there's the few fellas that own a JW!

You don't have to give an arm and a leg to get decent springer
accuracy! Some of you China springer owners know that! LOL

Shooting jackets, harnesses, butt pads, shooting underwear, range
finders, etc. - I'm not into "all that". I just grab the gun, some
ammo and head out the door sometimes just in my ordinary underwear!
There's a difference between the boxing ring and out on the street
no holds barred fighting/combat/self-defense!

I like to keep it simple - springer, ammo and man.

Herb



Edited due to language
RS

Herb, see my post on Doc Beeman in the 460 thread. The whole HW hype got started by the good Doctor, and has been perpetuated ever since. For 20 years or more the Beeman-HW guns were the staple and standard of the American airgun industry, and as such were the only real quality airguns that many shooters were exposed to. As a result, they became the mythical creatures that they are today. It is true however that the older HWs were very good guns, especially the low-mid powered ones like the 35 and the 50/55 rifles. The level of fit and finish there were only bested by the FWB and Webley, and for shooting manners they were at the top of the heap. The model 50S is probably the best light sporter ever made.
I have more than a few HW guns, and I can say that none exibit the flaws mentioned, poor quality, or trigger problems. The Rekord is a very good unit, with few that are better. The match triggers on the FWB guns for example, and the design used on Crosmans MK1 & 2 pistols is still one of the best ever. If you read carefully, many of those comlaints can be traced to user error. Either they didn't know how to adjust the trigger or tinkered with things that should not be tinkered with if you don't know how, or just plain abused the gun.

no 'beef' with what you say. Yep no doubt a lot of airguns get
abused/misused/mistinkered right out of the box new. Enjoyed
the reading more in the Robert Law catalogs and looking more
in the Beeman catalogs

Herb

Herb you must be talking about me being i think im the only one to make a post hear on the hw-77k, i will in the future keep it to myself
Ray

You're not alone Rayburn. I spoke of them too. Happen to like them very much regardless of what others think or say. No one here is going to stop me from saying what I like or don't like about any airguns. Everyone has a right to their opinions. Its when people who don't know each other get confrontational on an open forum that it gets ugly.

You would never guess who works on their own airguns on this forum except for the people who speak up about it.

Then again maybe you would

Email me sometime

Harv

nor against talking about any airgun - the good, the bad and the ugly.

I'm just not one of those guys that rattles "get an R7", "get an R9"
all the live long day. Nor a "get it in .20" guy

Herb

I am a guest here just trying to conduct my self as one.

PS. I still think it's one of the finest guns i ever pulled
the trigger on. LOL

I will email you i'll send you a picture of my RWS 460 and


Take care from our house to yours

Ray

I certainly can't fault someone for sharing their enthusiasm when it comes to airguns no matter what make or model they shoot or how they go about doing so. Airgun forums are dedicated to the enjoyment of a hobby after all and although I may not agree with or enjoy what works for everyone, I enjoy reading it all the same.

As with the rest of life, one must decide what is of value and what should be discarded based on their own views. This thread is no different.

Russ S.