RedFeather (Login RedFeather) from IP address 96.231.42.46
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Something I see very little about on any of the airgun forums. Seems to me that there's a lot to be gained from installing an over-travel stop. Although I do recall a post saying they don't work as well on springers due to the forward recoil. Anyway, would be nice to try a paintball shoe with an adjustable stop, just to see if it's so.
I have 2 guns that have trigger shoes and at first I didn't much care for them but since have grown to love them in fact I am planning on ordering some from the location I believe the shoes I have originated from.
I have a shoe on my Webley Huricane. The stock trigger was too narrow for the trigger force required. The shoe makes it feel lighter, because the pressure on the trigger is spread over a larger area.
As for overtravel, totally different animal. I like this on some guns and don't like it on others, totally personal choice based on how the trigger and gun behaves when the sear releases.
Trigger shoes are great, Paint ball users have them, come in different colors. I like them and have several on several rifles and pistols.
Spreads ones finger over a larger surface area and makes the trigger "feel" lighter even though it's not.
A neat configuration is the Trigger shoe/overtravel stop combined in one unit
I have seen a couple of these and have tried one, works well in non adjustable triggers.
I have an early Chinese break barrel that had a atrocious trigger, after honing it down to a managable release I still had trouble with flyers due to the long over travel. unfortunately with stamped sheetmetal triggers its difficult to put a trigger shoe on unless one fills the void at the back of the trigger blade.
I added a overtravel screw to this little rifle and It shoots very accurately
with no flyers due to the trigger release.
I've never used trigger stops extensively. Even in HP pistols or rifles (7.62X51 NATO or .45" ACP).
BUT in Crosman MSP's it is a great addition. Trigger travel is long and rifles are very lightweight. So the benefits of an overtravel screw stop are great.
In most Diana airguns (except for the 34, which is lightweight for power) I do not find it an extremely worthwhile addition.
In my 52, I do have a Danny Kueng trigger which is a steel unit that has a flat and wide surface very similar to a shoe.
As a general rule, I would say that overtravel stops benefit greatly guns that are lightweight with long overtravels, and trigger shoes benefit greatly guns that have creepy or overweight triggers.
I just wondered as over travel screws they are pretty nice on rimfires. I can see where a long pull trigger like a stock Gamo might benefit. Anyway, on an inexpensive gun they are fairly easy to install through the back of the trigger guard.
I installed a trigger stop on my Diana 6M and I cobbled up a trigger width
thingie. Those two modifications enhanced my ability to get higher 10 meter
scores. Trigger travel stop adjustments are essential to 10 meter match AFs
and ARs. LD installed a trigger stop on a Marksman 2004 that he sold to me; and
it really enhanced that 2004's shooting also.
Tony G
For match or any shooter, overtravel is a personal thing.
Some shooters say that the trigger coming to a STOP after the sear releases causes a jerk in the pistol. They want to pull through the sear release w/o jerking the trigger. Yet others want the stop, for them after the sear releases, there is LESS resistance and they jerk the pistol by the trigger pull suddenly speeding up.
Also the trigger on different guns may be different and require or not require a stop.
So in the end, each shooter has to see what works best for him and his specific pistol or rifle.
I have such a mix, some with a stop and some w/o a stop.
Thanks for starting this thread Redfeather. I had always wondered myself if the trigger stops really help because I had received mixed opinions from people that have tried them. I used to have a buddy that I hunted with a lot several years ago and he would swear by them but a couple of others that tried them said it didn't help them or had adverse effects so I had decided to stay neutral and not try them. Of course they were all using different guns.. Now I think it's worth a try just to experiment.
Hey Red Feather, Tim here. Trigger shoes on some guns like the XX,s with that narrow little brass trigger are a Godsend. I have one from Cros. real cool looking but IMO too wide. The one I made myself for my 2250 pistol makes a big differance! That combined with a back yard polish/spring mod makes the trigger on that gun sweet! I am looking into the "Super Sear" for you,I should have an answer for you very soon. I would love to talk to you more about the 2260. Feel free to shoot me a mail anytime,I would like to talk to you regarding other stuff as well. timmyj1959@yahoo.com Regards, Tim.
