for that caliber", "wish they came in .20" - yeah right! LOL

Guys shooting an LD MK1 .22 custom CO2 gas pistol post about
taking out pigeons, crows, squirrels, rabbits at 30, 40 and
even 50 yds. and beyond. In 12" bbl we're talkin' a 10ish to
near 11 FPE airgun on a fairly warm day. Many have posted -
go back into the Yellow Forum and read it yourself. I don't
doubt most of them as I once owned 2 LD Mk1 pistols.

Funny, odd how if a fella posts he's thinking about getting a
Webley Xocet in .25 or having a Diana 34 or Gamo Hunter converted/
rebarrelled in .25 there will more often than not be those that
respond "It'll be to loopy", "It's underpowered for that caliber",
"get it done in .20", etc.

From laser flat to slingshot loopy I work with what I've got -
don't we all do that? Many of us have airguns from pistols to rifles,
from .177 to bigbores, from a few FPE in power to a few hundred or
more, etc. We work with what we've got, learn the trajectories, find
out approximate BCs, etc.

Maybe if a fella says he's thinking about converting a R7 or D24 to
.25 all this loopy, underpowered, etc. advice would be right on time.

Heck they're all loopy and underpowered! LOL

Herb

All guns are "loopy". The other night my wife was watching an episode of CSI where they were trying to establish the flight path of a bullet to determine who in a wedding group was the intended target. The "specialist" affixed a laser to the remote-controlled shooting device and then proceeded to follow the beam. I told her that it was a common assumption that guns shoot absolutely flat and was in line with most of the BS on that show. She told me to shut up.

What I would like to read are less posts on "I killed a crow at three hundred yards" and more "I used my gun within it's intended limits". It doesn't matter if it's a .177, .20, .22, .25, 9mm or "big bore", if it isn't used properly, it's inadequate (and so is the person pulling the trigger).

Remember the documented story about the Civil War sniper, with a muzzleloading bench rifle and a primitive scope, who shot at the officer sitting outside his tent. He fired the shot, but before the bullet got there from well over a half mile away, the officer got up, went in the tent, came back out and sat down, only to be struck and killed by the bullet. I'll bet that trajectory was seriously loopy! But the shooter knew the bullet's path. Same thing applied to all long-range shooting, seems to me.

Kind of like the rainbow jumper in basketball. Sure, you can drill them in, but you can also arc them in. I guess it's all in what you want. Granted, it's nice to zero a scope/rifle at 50 yards and know it's only going to drop 2 inches at 75, but if it's moving slower and drops 6" at that distance you're fine, as long as you know what it's going to do.

I'd much rather have a flat shooting rifle but baring that, it's always good to know how your gun shoots at a given distance.

"but I'll be needin' that gun, fer squirrels and such."

You can hit anything you want within reason with a 10-12FPE gun as long as you practice a lot at various distances and know where the POI is at 30,40, and 50yds. I think these guns should be limited to 30yds, especially for fur, unless you are certain you can hit the fusebox every time, but that's another story..

A few months ago after having the 12FPE 850 .22 for a couple of days only and zeroed in at 22yds, I attemped a shot at a crow 40yds out that was walking around on my lawn. I had no idea of the trajectory ("loopiness") of the pellet at that distance so I guessed maybe a couple of inches, as I was used to my 350 that shoots pretty flat to 40yds and beyond with 14.X pellets. It was a rare opportunity to get a shot off at a crow so I thought it was worth the try even though I knew I had no clue how this gun would shoot at that distance, but I decided to go for the head only to risk injury from a body shot..
I put the crosshairs to what seemed to be about 2" over the crow's head and squeezed the trigger. I saw the impact of the CP 14.3gr pellet through the scope when it hit the ground almost directly under the crow's head in front of her feet. That was about an additional 6-7" drop from what I had estimated. I 'm sure the 850 was not shooting optimally at 12FPE, but probably around 10fpe, since the temp was 30-35deg and I had been out in the porch for 2-3 minutes. Even at 12fpe it would still have missed by a couple of inches.

If you don't practice for the distances you hunt, you won't hit anything, or risk injuring the animal and allowing it to escape wounded. Ubung, ubung, ubung (w/umlauts) said Einstein and most Germans today - practice, practice practice.. (exact translation is "exercise, exercise..").