That is almost 57fpe with 21.1gr Kodiaks Ray!
What airgun with gas ram can shoot that fast? I only know of Condors and other modded PCP's that can shoot that fast.
Anyway from what I 've been reading on PCP forums, is that all 14.3gr and even 16gr JSB Exacts start losing accuracy once they go over 1,000fps. As a matter of fact CP's have been reported to open up the groups when traveling over 950fps.
Only the heavier Kodiaks and Eun Jin's maintain a good level of accuracy at those velocities but even then it is recommended they be used at under 1,100fps. Why would you want a super-sonic .22 airgun anyway? .22 Kodiaks can be super-accurate up to mid-high 1,000's (~1050-1075fps) from what I 've been reading. Anything beyond that, and you 'll have to use the heavier 28.4gr Eun Jins but they have average accuracy to begin with. 1,100fps is better suited for the 31gr & 42gr .25cal pellets. There are many Condor owners out there that claim their modified ~80fpe .25cal guns are very accurate at 1,100fps. Not too many claim the same with .22cal and these AirForce PCP's come with Lothar Walther barrels..
You need "mass" to have a stable flight & reasonable accuracy at the velocity you are referring to.
I also think its to fast. Its a new gun Theoben Eliminator most shoot at 940 with cps. this one shoot 1080 first shoot 1100 second shot all we can think of is the charge is to high in the gas ram its still at the dealers. And he did not think it was dieseling.
Ray
I just got rid of my (2) Eliminators as they were just too nice to take out hunting in the desert which is the only shooting that I really do so they never really got shot much...they were guns that I got just to be able to have them in my collection as “dress to impress” showpieces and while they are without a doubt the best break barrel magnums ever made as far as the quality of the build and “dead nuts accuracy” are concerned, I felt guilty as heck laying they up against a rock or a bush - if they fell over I would have died on the spot - search & rescue would have found a banged up gun and a corpse laying in the dirt...LOL
As for them shooting at 1100 fps, based on owning two of them that had “hot modded” gas rams, I will tell you that in shooting an 11g pellet .22 cal , the best that I ever got was 987fps at 2100'+ elevation 10” past the muzzle….and mid 720’s shooting 21.1g Kodiaks (Diana HighPower and H&N Barracudas, both 21+g, gave a bit better fps as they were a better and more consistent fit in the breech).
In .25 cal, shooting at the exact same altitude, 17g Lasers shot at 830+ FPS and 30.9g Kodiak Match shot at in the 630 fps range.
I know that I don’t have to mention this to you Ray, but for any new shooters that might see this, there are 3 basic factors that will affect the FPS of the shot…here they are in order of what I think are the most important considerations listed first to last.
In springers or gas rams:
Weight of the pellet
Altitude
Ballistic Coefficient of pellet (if measuring fps more than a foot past the muzzle).
A distinguished old man comes into a gun shop looking for a home defense gun. After talking with him, the shop owner goes into the back and retrieves a very worn but still serviceable Ithaca pump shotgun. The man looks at it, then asks if he can be shown anything better. The shop owner puts it back and gets out a new Remington pump. The man runs his eye over the new gun, then asks if he can see something a bit nicer. Now the owner is getting peeved, so he takes a step ladder and retrieves a leather case from the shelf above the gun rack. He lays it on the counter, opens it and shows they prospective buyer a fine high grade double. The man picks it up, gives it the once over and asks how much? "$10,000", says the owner. "Will you take a check?" asks the man. "Yes," says the shopkeeper, "but I'll have to hold the gun until it clears." "Call me when it does and I'll have my man pick it up," says the gent and he writes the check and goes. The guns shop owner figures he just dealt with an eccentric nut and puts the gun back. Low and behold, the check is good and a chauffeur arrives to pick up the gun. A week goes by and the old man returns to the shop. "I need a home defense gun," he tells the shop owner. "You don't mean there's something wrong with the gun I sold you?" asks the owner. "No," says the old man, "It's like this. I'm a collector of fine things. For example, I like rare violins. Some evenings before I retire, I will have a good cognac and take out one of my violins, perhaps play a melody or two, then gently return it to its case. But lately, I've taken to fetching out that shotgun, admiring the craftsmanship, how the screws are all aligned, the checkering is so precise. I examine the engraving by the firelight, carefully wipe it down and lovingly place it back into its case. In short, I NEED A HOME DEFENSE GUN!" The shop owner went into the rear of the store and emerged with the Ithaca.
you or the dealer were getting those high #'s which I don't believe to be accurate.
Did the dealer (or you) use the Diffusers on the Chrony? You know the white plastic ones, OR better yet, did he have "florescent lighting" in the store or room where the testing took place?
Most stores (99.9%) use florescent lighting which can increase the FPS reading on a chrony by 20% or more. Have him move the chrony and backstop to another room where there is no florecent lighting and put a few shots through it, or invite him to your house with the gun in order to use your Chrony. Watch the #'s change to the low 900's.
If he doesn't know the florescent light effect on a Chrony you may want to think hard about buying a gun from this person.. or maybe he does, and is just using the high velocity #'s as a selling point. My guess is.. the latter.
the last paragraph. Disregard. I don't know this "dealer" or his intentions and should not be talking like that.. he could be your uncle for all I know! I was a little grumpy this morning before my 1st cup of coffee, no excuse.. but you did a good thing posting the velocity anomaly here. We 'll get to the bottom of it, for sure.
LOL....that is a great story RF....I copied it and saved it for the collection!
Here is why I never took the Thoebens out...well, I DID take them a couple of times, but I hated to squat in the dirt and hold them in my lap when I was taking a water and smoke break.
Here is the stock of one of my 350s that was just struck down by the dirty nasty hateful wind! I had it in my yard in my little Pigeon blind and I went in the garage for more coffee. Upon my return, I found her lying motionless in some golf ball-sized jagged rocks...WOUNDED but not dead!
With a tear in my eye, I knelt down and gently caressed her wounded butt, and then, just as a father takes his newborn into his arms, I took her into my arms and tried to console her as I carried her into the house and laid her on the padded bench and yelled...."I need 5cc of warmed English Cabinet Makers Wax STAT!!!!!!!!!!"
My mind reeled as I pulled on the surgical gloves and grabbed some gauze to clean the wound. I gently applied some warmed wax to the wound and rubbed it in a small circular pattern to seal the wood - oil could have made it’s way under the existing finish and most certainly would have penetrated the wood too deeply and would have required some sanding when the time for the new finish graft.
She is scheduled for her new finish this week...
It was soooooooo cute....she just asked me if she could possibly change her color as she is tired of being a brunette....what a typical lady!!!
I asked her if she would like to try a clear coat of Durathane and be a natural blond (beech is a beautiful neutral white wood with light brown grain), but she started talking about being a redhead, then about going blue with black grain highlights, then gray with black grain highlights....then honey amber blond with rosewood colored grain highlights....did I say "typical lady"?!?!?!?!....YEP, I SURE DID! LOL
Nice story Red,, soooo true!! J,,, Been awhile since I had a blonde!! As I remember very harsh firing cycle,, but very SMOOTH!!LOL! Curtis,, GREAT to have you back my friend!!!! Gotta go now,, the wife demands "Puter" time,, Poof,, Im gone!! Tim.
Hey "J".....those are great looking little sweeties!
May 27 2008, 9:20 PM
Just like I said "J", those look great! I have worked with highly figured woods for decades in various applications, and while they DO look great, I really like some of the "plainer" looking white woods that are somewhat off the typical beaten path like Basswood, Light Swamp Ash and Beech. With good quality black finishes on the gun metal, I think that Natural Blond is a GREAT look! It might not be so great for hunters that NEED the "mossy oak" look, but here in the desert and some other areas, it DOES work and again, it can look GREAT in the glass-faced gun cabinet! I saved your picture and opened it in Photoshop and took a close look...they look GREAT! Awesome Job!!! I really DO hope that I can make it out to the East Coast again for some relaxing time, not just poopie work time, so that I can take you up on your offer to pop your 52!!! There is something about the pic that you posted of you holding it with its right side showing that is just awesome....not sure what strikes me about it, but there is something about its "look" that is just so clean and tight looking...really cool!
Ray... I'm glad that you liked my little humor story, but it IS a true story and there is TRUTH hidden in it....putting a liquid oil on the chipped spots would have been bad for the stated reasons...the "slightly above room temp" cabinet makers wax is a paste wax that, when applied in a thin film, seals the wood right up to the edge of the chipped finish WITHOUT penetrating the wood. I try NOT to sand gunstocks aggressively - when restoring the wood on a gun, you can always tell if a person has sanded the heck out of the original wood as the gun metal then stands "PROUD" above the wood...if you look at a truly masterful restoration job of gun wood, you will see that the edges of the wood USUALLY stands "PROUD" above the metal, not visa-versa!
Tim: Hey there buddy...I sure am glad that we have cell phones these days cause if we were on the LAN LINES of old, we would both have to get a second job to pay for the long distance charges!!! It really does feel good to be back on the Forum....that week that I was gone felt like a year...and I really missed my buddies!!
PS....your restoration on the Webley stock looks G-R-E-A-T...I am going to try and call you tomorrow as there is something that I would like to mention to you about it....a little trick that my Grandfather showed to me way back "in the day"..
Ok...coffee and smoke time......GREAT POSTS EVERYBODY.....poof gone!!!
I think most of us have stood up a gun against the wall only to return and find it on the floor or ground. I usually just curse and kick the wall, but it's probably better to just cry so as to not punch a hole through the wall with your foot, or break your foot like I nearly did one time
The Royal London Oil is a really good product....JM's stock mud is great too.
What really makes for a visual "pop" on your gun is the thin film of the RLO...no distortion or masking of the grain...It looks GREAT "J"!!! People never talk about Beech as a wood that has great figure….while it is not the SAME TYPE of figure as some maples or walnuts, or some exotics, it CAN have really awesome grain patterns that should not be overlooked or discounted!!!!!
Yeah....those little accidents DO happen; it is hurts when it does as it seems that it all could have been prevented if we were just a bit more cautious and thoughtful.
But still, it is because we NEVER think of those little accidents in advance 100% of the time that I just couldn't take the Theobens out as "everyday" hunters.
I'll tell ya what though, if I could find a synthetic Monte Carlo stock that was a full length thumbhole sporter with a medium beavertail forestock that I liked for the Eliminators, I would have to put the 350s in the gun case and build a couple of nice stocks for them (as a retirement gift to them).
I honestly have never owned a better quality, better shooting, more consistent, or more powerful break barrel than the hot-rodded Eliminators....my old Patriots and Kodiak included.
The beauty of the 350 Magnum is that for 1/5th of the price of the Eliminator, you get a break barrel that is ALMOST as accurate and just a few FPS slower when shooting 21+g pellets like Beeman Kodiaks, H&N Barracudas, or Diana High Powers….to me, THAT is very impressive indeed…good job Diana!!!!!
I was a little grumpy this morning before my 1st cup of coffee, no excuse.. but you did a good thing posting the velocity anomaly here. We 'll get to the bottom of it, for sure. 
