I received my PA flyer today and it shows the new Leapers scope mount for RWS guns, it looks like it uses Weaver style rings and the mount grips the front of the scope rail to keep from shifting. Was owndering if anyone here is considering trying one?
I will try one on my 2005 ish version of the RWS 34 with my Leapers 3-9 X 40 with AO
That is if they are in reason say with in $ 50.00 for the WHOLE SET UP Mount / Base / Rings etc .
The way I have mine mounted is with the RWS 1 pc mount and I have a Very thin pc of leather between the screw / that sticks up from the rws receiver and rear base of the scope mount.
I think it acts as a sort of small buffer / shock stopper ??
All I know is it's RWS .22 and I have put about 3500 - 4000 pellets through it and it's ok .
JerryL
I am sad....I L @^@ ked at them, but I sure won't get one
June 19 2008, 5:43 AM
Hi guys,
In an effort to be completely fair and forthright, I must first disclose that I was working on a Picatinny-type product that I was going to offer to the airgun community which also offered droop compensation and was also going to be available in a standard configuration as well. When I heard that Leapers already had theirs on the design table, I quit working on mine as I was SURE that a company with their resources must have surly had a design and engineering team working long hours on this item....what a miserable mistake I made - although, after two decades of working in various engineering fields, I should have known to keep my project online and on track so I could be ready if the competition's offering was less than desirable...guess it's time to fire up AutoCAD again and get back to work on mine.
I have been tracking the progress of this item since I heard that it was on the ol' drafting table, so when I heard that the first production runs were out in the real world I had to take a look at the "final" product.
Boy, what I saw, well, I just can't believe what some companies are willing to attach their name to when "name branding and recognition" means so much these days and is SO expensive and time consuming to develop....I mean really; Pepsi would NEVER put their name and logo on a tin can full of cat P*SS...but Leapers put their BRAND on this "dog log" without one visible ounce of shame.
I had thought that perhaps they were going to take a big hint form the airgun community and abandon their low quality mounting systems for something that is a quality product. They have the resources to make such a thing a reality, but it seems that they lack the motivation to do so. Mass producing a low quality product so that you can sell it at a low price point and make your money by moving mass volumes of product is the way of many things today, but I would HIGHLY advise them to look at their target market and re-evaluate their strategies; maybe they have already done just that and this product is just another item in their catalog of poor quality mounts that they make for......well......I better shut my big mouth before I have the whole village marching on my house with fiery torches!!!
Now don't get me wrong...
I have 2 of the better quality Leapers scopes that I like...I have never had problems with them on super magnum guns, and I have recommended them to people in the past....the only thing that I don't like about them is the super-lousy locking turrets...totally worthless and a cheap gimmick!!! But they are still good scopes for the price if you put them in a BKL or Dampa mount - or one of the strong mounts from Mac1...even some of the good Beeman mounts like the 5000 series.
People talk about them failing, but mine have help up to incredible jolts from my old hot-rodded .22 Patriots and a .22 Kodiak, and I had a .25 barrel for the Patriots to share and one for the Kodiak, and I shot a mind-numbing and totally ridiculous amount of very heavy pellets through them with the Leapers scopes on them with not one single problem.
The scopes have held up to my magnum tuned .22 350 and my super-magnum tuned .22 350...both give a controlled yet stout jolt...the Leapers scopes have help up like champs....I like their scopes for the price and honest value that they offer as a rugged airgun scope, but the Leapers mounts just plain SUCK due to horribly low quality materials and extremely poor designs!!
Now guys, PLEASE don't flame me on this statement, but honestly, can anybody name a spring gun that kicks hard enough to warrant this mount base with the ridiculously poor Special "recoil shock shoulder" which stops scope shift--forever....ok, I'll assume that you named the obvious guns like the Theoben Eliminator, the Patriot/Kodiak, 350/460 Mag, Gamo 1250...but wait, the Theoben already uses the Dampa and the Patriot/Kodiak already have dealt with the scope mount issue with the notches in the top of the receiver which accepts positive lock mounts like the Beeman 5038 which are designed specifically for those guns...so that leaves guns like the 350 Mag/460 Mag or the Gamo 1250...big magnums that have reputations for being strong hitters and scope breakers...but wait another second...these are NOT cheap guns from Wal-Mart, so then why would you want to put a cheap damm mount base that is of a poor quality and design on your presumably expensive gun? That is like taking your $128,000 Twin Turbo Porsche to K-Mart to get new tires, breaks, and some furry seat covers....
BTW, I woudn't want it on my 34 Panther either and that is not an expensive gun or a big kicker...sooooooooooo....
To be as fair as I can be, I'll mention the ONE and ONLY thing that I see as a "non-bad" element...
It can be installed by a 10 yr old with two tools...the hex key wrenches that appear to be included with the mount base...or "rail addition" as it SHOULD be called.
That is the one and ONLY positive that I see....
In my opinion, it is just another sub-$20 ($17.50 + S&H to be exact), sub-standard, poor quality gimmick mount.
Well, I'll tell you that there are 5 problems that I can INSTANTLY identify.
I sincerely apologize to all of you for not being more specific, but please understand that starting tomorrow, I am back to working on my solution for those people who wish to use a Picatinny/Weaver scope mounting system on their airguns, be they Springers or PCP/Co2.
I do wish to make two statements at this time....one personal and one professional.
First, on a personal level, I hope that those of you who read this post will not mistake my opinion of this Leapers product as a hostile attack or unfair critique due to my efforts to develop a legitimate "Picatinny/Weaver" product....my opinion of this product is based purely on my objective observations and inspection.
On a professional level, I would strongly urge the use of the BKL 260D series mount, the Dampa mount, Mac1 mounts, or Beeman 5000 series mounts....I mean, you can do what you want to, it is your right to do so, but I would never advocate the use of a Leapers/Accushot mount...the scopes are ok, but avoid the mounts like the plague, especially if you own a magnum springer!
IF you are a lover of "ring mounts" go look at Mac1...they have some that utilize a stabilizer bar....they are high quality, compensate for many different degrees of barrel droop, and are reasonably priced.
If you want some good info about droop compensating mounts in general, again, look at the Mac1 website at the link below...these is a lot of very good information to learn from and the page has the mounts and rings on it too.
The Leapers bases look like a well-designed products, to me. It's exactly what I expected when the 'rumors' first started. Simple, effective, and, at $17.50, well-priced. I'm struggling to see a downside. I'll be interested to see how you better it.
is this a fix for the RWS rail debacle with mounts and barrel droop?
Picatinny is one of the best but you are adapting that rail into the 11 mm RWS mount rail and then putting a mount on top of this without considering DOUBLE RECOIL on the scope
$17.50 + shipping and then all the rest to see if it will work?
promises, promises and more promises
I will pass on this MAGNIFICENT state of the art SCAM
buy a BLK, Dampa, or Beeman 500 series and forget about PROMISES
IF I could trade all the BS mounts I have for the Golden one then I would have 10 TOP of the lines proven mounts in my Diana's (I only have 6 Diana's)
disagree? then buy it, put it in a Magnum and post back. 3 hex screws into the side will do WHAT!! when 6 is a chore in a magnum
warren
PS: let me know how that $17.50 mounts does in your $400.00 air gun and $150.00 scope, I might be surprised
and remember "it's 30% the gun and 70% the shooter"
The three screws on the side are (obviously) inadequate to secure the base. The 'tongue' on the front takes care of that. Simply and effectively.
By the way, I own (and like) several BKL 260 droop mounts (no BLKs, yet; working on those). They are great mounts, and to now the best option. But, they are not available in 30mm (barring a looooong wait for a special order).
The new Leaper's base, plus a low pair of 30mm Weaver mounts, appears to me one of the best options out there to 'go big' on the look tube.
Actually, I'm in a position to teach no one (not yet having tried one of these bases). That puts us in the same boat.
I can say I'll add one of these to my cart the next time I place a Pyramyd order, unless I hear lots of negatives (based on real experience) prior -- which I'm entirely open to.
My visual indicates a decent design, and I (unlike Curtis or Warren), can't see a single (much less five) "super-double top secret" reason it wouldn't work just fine.
To clarify, the three screws should be overly adequate to keep the ol' scope from flying into space-that task could be left to two screws, IMO. I wouldn't trust them to keep it from sliding backwards, though. That's where the tongue that overlaps the front of the rail comes in. I should have been more specific. My words.
Stepar, I used a Leapers on my 460. mag. for close to a year, with lot of shooting and no problems at all. I will admit that the 460. is a very smooth gun. It is still the same scope mount on the gun, now, even though I have had it detuned. If it breaks tomorrow, no big deal. I would buy another one to replace it. If you are shooting a 350 mag, then who knows, that is a different story? Hell, that gun, has enough problems eating scopes, let alone mounts. At $20.00 no big loss, and just send it back as their service is great.
They've built a useable product and stole nothing to obtain it. If the product doesn't hold up, they'll replace it usually for the cost of shipping. Leapers may not build on the same level as the Germans, but usually the cheapest parts go on something that sees little use. They've certainly never conned, stolen parts or shipping from anyone. That would make them crooks, and crooks are looked down on as untrustworthy. Most people just do not want to deal with crooks.
Leapers obviously has better business ethics than that. So do I. So where is the scammer?
Harry, you are known on this forum as the 350. mag guru. While I have used the Leapers mount on my 460. which is no comparison to the 350. in recoil, perhaps you can give us your opinion on a great mount for the magnum guns. Your opinion on a scope that the 350. does not eat, would be beneficial for both the novice mag. owner, the seasoned 350. mag owner. as well as scope manufactures.
Dear Diana friends: ask Warren and Tim what's the best scope mount for a heavier Diana and they will tell you that the Dampa mount will open a new world for you. Tim: did you already fit the mount on your rifle(s) ? Best regards from Johannis.
Dave,
While I never claimed to be a 350 guru, that honorary title you guys had given me went out the window when Curtis made his appearance, and I 'm glad it did. As you know my 350 is with Curtis getting a special tune.
I have done extensive research and e-mailed many 350 owners last year. This is what I discovered. The BKL 260 series mount seems to be the most popular with 350 owners (and other Magnum ones as well). A few used the Beeman 50xx series. Also 3 out of 4 Patriot/Kodiak .25 owners that I e-mailed in the interest of purchasing their gun, also used a BKL 260, the other a Dampa. The Dampa as we all know is also a superb mount, just very hard to get.
As far as scopes go, to noone's surprise Leapers (True Strength) 5th gen. scopes were popular amongst 350 owners as well as Bushnell Legend and Elite 3200/4200 series scopes. A couple of people were using a Simmons Mag 44 scope and a higher-end Swift scope claiming they had no problems after several thousand shots. Some of these people had gone through 2 or 3 scopes before they broke, many of which were Bushy Banners/Sportsman, non-TS Leapers, BSA's, etc. Surprisingly a couple of 350 owners were using cheaper Tasco Golden Antlers with no problems (go figure) after trying other more expensive scopes with no luck.
I bought a Bushy Legend 5-15x40 for my 350 but have been using it on the 36 (w/BKL 260D7) so far with no issues after ~350 shots. I will install the Legend on the 350 when I get it back from Curtis and report how it's holding up. I also attempted to purchase a used Simmons Mag 44 on the 54-classifieds but someone beat me to it. I may also experiment with a Tasco Golden Antler which I 'm using on the 850 just to see how it holds up, but my Bushy Legend has superior optics to the Tasco so I doubt I would keep the Tasco on it for more than a few hundred shots. I would just do it for experimentation or as a sacrifice to the goddess Diana if it disinegrades under the might of the 350
I actually believe that many different scopes would hold up just fine on a well-tuned 350. On a non-tuned 350, it 's a different story..
Yes Harry you are right, the Dampa is kinda hard to get. That is unless you have a SPECIAL FRIEND from across the Big Pond willing to send you one!!LOL!! THANK YOU Johannis!! As you can see from my other post today, I have not even opened the package yet, I am trying to trade some of my other guns for a scope "Worthy" of resting in the Dampa you sent me!! Jan. I know you may not have expected me to mount the Dampa on a 34, Trust me, If you shot my new Super Tuned 34,, A BIG smile would shurley be on your face!! Stay tuned here!! Tim. P.S. Thanks for the Ballistol Jan.,, that stuff is GREAT!!!!!
