Dave, I said I would not add to the B28 thread, so I'm posting here. I would steer clear of those. If you look at prices for used English Webleys compared to the new ones, you will see they are going for one and a half up to two times more. Not a lot of good reviews, either. From what I have seen, the Brits shipped their machinery there, but left the manufacturing knowledge back in the home isles. Classic case of losing an all to often undervalued corporate asset. It will take some time, if ever, for the Turkish workers to come up to the old mark.

Yes, the Vulcans have really climbed in price. Saw a nice Vulcan II that was about $100-$150 more then what they used to go for. One good thing about shooting older guns, though. If they were good once, they still are.

Bad reveiws and I,ve seen some come up for sale on the classifieds and they can,t be given away. Fortunately there seems to be alot of UK models up for sale. I got lucky and got the last remaining Long Bow that Pyramyd air had on sale. It won,t be leaving me for along time.

Indeed, a real shame webley is turkish now. I'm a big webley fan, own several lovely uk webley's sidewinder, cobra, patriot, tempest, stingray's..But the turkish one's are far less in finish..
Blueing but also part finish, internal finish and stockfit.
Allthough the shoot nice though (my SE did) with their Powrloc spring and a lovely stock too.

Last year I picked up a C1 in a "pellet" guns wanted ad I posted. Payed $50.00.Later MZ tuned with JM spring. Makes a great carbine for carrying into the field. I notice that the yellow classifieds has a original Vulcan for sale.

http://www.villagephotos.com/pubbrowse.asp?folder_id=2054583

Dave@vabch

at Roanoke this year. A really nice low mileage Eclipse in .177
and a NIB Vulcan III w/Box/papers for a scant $125!
Guess I got lucky on the Vulcan. It's a nice rile that shoots well too boot.

Brian

While I realize this is a RWS forum, it is interesting to learn about other guns as well. Here is some info on the Turkish Patriot. I have no opinion on these guns, but just posting for casual viewing.

http://www.americanairgunhunter.com/patriot.html

dave

It's kind of become a regular forum. As to reviews, I read them with a grain of salt. To paraphrase Will Rogers, most of these reviewers never met a gun they didn't like. Best to do as Hector suggests in another thread and read the forums to get an idea of real world use. Not saying there aren't good Turkish models. Just see so many going used at half what the English guns fetch.

- the 1st Webleys from Turkey were built from leftover UK parts assembled overseas - so, they were effectively UK guns. That explains Chapman's sunny review, which was penned early on after the transition.

Once the UK parts were gone - thats when the bad news started coming.

Brian -

How do you like the Vulcan ??

Paul.

nice and light and it makes 860's with CP's. It is a smooth shooter for it's size and power level. The trigger can be a turn off for some. The one on mine needs a stone/polish/lube badly. The trigger is easy to work on if you are so inclined. I don't mind it one bit. Same style action as the Webley C1 in a more traditional rifle stock. My C1 has a shorter barrel too. Uk Webley guns are kinda my thing. I have a few of the earlier ones like the Vulcan and a few of the newer ones too. You can e-mail me for more info.

Brian

Brian, If you ready my post about great find, you will see that I just bought my second C1. What a great little carbine. With a lot of power, and a weight of just 6lbs and a barrel length of just 14 in., it is terrific for hauling into the woods. Here is a review of the gun, by Chapman.

http://www.americanairgunhunter.com/webc1.html

By the way, I have been looking for a barrel band for these guns with no luck. Do you know where I can get one?

Dave@vabch

Yes I agree they are great little carbines. I paid top dollar (no regrets)for a really nice one over the summer.
I figure it balaces out the killer deal I got on the Vulcan.
Jim's review is a big part of what inspred my waunderlust for the C1, I've read it many times.
Funny, I was thinking of grabbing another C1 to have one in each caliber.
Do you have a Tracker? If you like the short, light Webley's I'd recommend checking out that one too. Not as much power, but an absolute joy to shoot.

I am unclear as to what you are looking for when you say "barrel band".
Can you elaborate a bit more? Is it the front sling stud that attaches to the barrel that you are after?

Brian

Wow Brian, I have not even heard of the Tracker. Tried to do some research last night but could only find a little info. Very interesting. The barrel band I am talking about is the band that fits on the barrel for a sling. The C1 barrel has its unique size barrel diameter and the band for the rifle seems out of stock everywhere. I have been trying all the classifieds with no luck. Here is a pic.

http://www.americanairgunhunter.com/webc1.

Thanks

dave

certain of the barrel OD of your C1. The diameter varies depending on the "phase" (e.g. MKI, MKII etc...)of the gun. The earliest ones have the smallest OD and no safety. I believe there are 3 phases total.


Here is a good thread from the vintage forum on the Webley Tracker. It was also imported as the "Barnett Spitfire". It is a side lever tap loading rifle that comes in .177 and .22 caliber. Mine shoots a very mild and accrate 700fps in .177. They can be found relatively cheap on the used market.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/405945/thread/1203401815/Webley+Tracker-

HTH,

Brian

Thanks for the info Brian. I am still hunting for the elusive band. I was shooting my new C1 today and it shot fantastic. What a fun gun. Boy this gun is accurate and shoots with a real impact. I will chrony it next week.

Dave

too bad RWS does not make a gun like this.

Apparently Trackers have their own issues. For a long time I really wanted a mid power sidelever air rifle. A very prominent figure in the airgunning community for a very long time begged me away from them. He explained to me (though it escapes me now) the shortcomings of the design and from the two or three I've since passed upon, I'm glad I took his advice. Don't think I could really have been happy with one of those.

A Camargue on the other hand...

No Tracker for YOU!

Had a third iteration C1 I should never have gotten rid of. Although loud, (carbine barrels) and a need to deeply seat the pellets in the breech, they were handy rifles made for the great squirrel hunts I've done for years. The stock has that uniqueness you won't find in another factory spring rifle. Even the open sights were nice.

Harv

In fact, its the same action as most of the other mid-size Webley rifles such as the Vulcan, Stingray, Xocet etc. Same internals but turned sideways. Its a 12 ft/lb gun, very accurate with the right pellets, quite handy in fact.