That's right. Gone are the days of cheap Nylatron plastic triggers. I have a line on RWS drop in triggers. They can be black or polished. They give a way crisper feel and better tuneability.



Email me if interested.

I would love for you to tell me how the metal trigger gives it "more or better tuneability". Please be precise. I have tuned quite a few TO5's. I really need to know this. Lee

but what i have noticed is the side play in the t05 comes from a loose fitting
pin and not side to side movement from the trigger sliding on the pin. if the movement has been tightened up it could make a more precise letoff. just speculatin.

how much?

WHO MAKES THEM?? Im asuming it is a GIANT corporation with enough assets to write off any liability they may encounter?? Not trying to be pesamistic. I know ALOT of Folks would be interested. If an individual has come up with a "SAFE" design,,, I wish them the best. HONEST. "Old Tim."

I'd be intrested in 2 triggers, both black!

Basically, if YOU put the trigger into your gun, then YOU are primarily responsible for any injuries/damages which may result from it. After they go after YOU, then you can go after the maker. At least, I think that would be how the law would work. You know, there are some GOLD triggers out there that you might apply the same reasoning to, although I have never heard of a failure on one of those.

Any time you alter a gun, especially a trigger, you open yourself up for liability. That's why I, personally, would not have trigger work performed on a firearm by anyone less than a QUALIFIED gunsmith. (Gee, my last trigger job ran all of $25.)

"That's why I, personally, would not have trigger work performed on a firearm by anyone less than a QUALIFIED gunsmith."

I put Timney triggers in all of my powder burning rifles. They are all installed by a gunsmith and all paper work is kept in the safe for trigger assembly and work.

James

In this lawyer-plagued age, it can't hurt.

I personally don't have a problem with the stock plastic trigger, but a lot of people do.

Now someone has gone to the trouble (and time and expense)to make a part that lots of people have asked for, and all you guys can do is criticize it.

If that creep "Curtis" had come out with something like this a year ago, lots of guy here would have been blowing him kisses and high five-ing each other.

Please consider giving the product a chance. I'm sure there soon will be feedback on it one way or the other.
Thanks!
(steps off soap box )





Jeff

This guy's got a thread half a page long on Gateway. Still don't know what the price is. Who? What? Where? Let's see some test results, etc.

Honest to goodness, or ?

Jeff has a valid point and for you people that say's altering the trigger is a liability then I will say that is BS

Charlie the Tuna has beeen offering the GRT trigger and I have not seen subpoenas from the senate to make him liable for any accidents

that side play Larry talks about is absolutely HORRIBLE in the T05 and if Chris has a better mouse trap THEN good for him

just wait for people to buy them and test them and then POST the real thing, in the meantime try them

warren

PS: Disclaimer; I have no stock options in Chris's trigger

and remember "it's 30% the gun and 70% the shooter"

Let's see some testimonials. No need to be thin skinned or put off. I've seen metal triggers offered for other airguns and they were not cheap. Why not just toss a ballpark price out instead of asking by email, only?

You are being a bit rash Warren. I did not say if it was or wasn't a liability but I am personnaly smart enough to cover my a!! and assets. I can say that I am certainly less worried about my pellet guns than I am my powder burners as I normally shoot airguns alone. My powder burners are often shot at the range and in the woods with other hunters were a mishap could have more dire consequences. I feel much better having triggers installed by a longtime, qualified gunsmith. Just my opinion but it is cheap insurance.

James

where did I say POWER burners? we are talking air guns and legally the trigger in an air gun does not come into the same equation as in an power burners

did you think I was aiming at you with my post? James the range is a safe place to shoot anything you shoot but the woods belong to you, your prey and if you miss to the other guy's back then his LAWYER will be included in the equation, with an air gun or a power burner, it does not make a difference an accident is an accident let it be with an air gun or a .45 cal regardless of the trigger MOD in either gun's

warren

PS: use my name sparingly PLEASE and you can cover everything down from your waist with all the insurance you can afford LOL

and remember "it's 30% the gun and 70% the shooter"

I thought this was aimed at my agreement with RedFeather on having a qualified gunsmith do all trigger installs or modifications. I am not here to argue or fight I was just letting you know that being concerned about liability is not BS. While I agree an accident is an accident I do not want anyone blaming an accident on shoddy work that should have been completed by a gunsmith and wasn't. It's all hypothetical and in my mind I rest more easily knowing I take all precautions and practice saftey at all times. Have a good evening buddy.

James

Air, powder, rubber band. IF there is an accident and IF there is any hint of negligence and IF it comes out that the gun was in any way modified and that modification MAY REMOTELY POSSIBLY IN YOUR WILDEST DREAMS be connected to it, there are lawyers out there who will rub their palms together and grin like a bear eating honey. Didn't say it happens all the time, but it does happen. And enough so that Bill Ruger and the rest of the firearms industry had to print a user's manual on the barrel of every gun they made.

this gentleman may be new to us, but if he has gone through the trouble to get with a designer or manufacturer then why cant we encourage it? what about all the modifications done to any other rifles? take a crosman for instance. was everyone hysterical when gil started pumping out custom parts? how about stevie in nc with his acp concept.how about mountain air, was everyone critical when they started bui;ding customs and making pcps out of all the different platforms they offer ? all of the custom or mod guys have all been here and other forums, hawking different parts and they arent just a metal copy of the original, ssome have totaly redesigned the parts, even the whole actions. look at all the different co2 mods that are offered. has anyone heard of lawsuits about them? holy crap lets stop the paranoia with the lawyer issue. when was the last time you decided not to make a custom purchase because you thought there MIGHT be a lawsuit to follow? these mod guys would be out of a hobby real quick. and what about sending rifles off to be tuned, ill be willing to bet that at least one part is modified on every single tune. there is way too much IF going on if you ask me, (not many do, but...)lets give it a chance. like warren said about charlies trigger, was everyone paranoid about a lawyer or what might happen? i doubt it. at least we can mention his name here without fear of being banned or having our posts deleted. but thats another issue i havent seen any lawsuits for aftermarket parts for our guns lately.like i learned EARLY in life, IF the dog didnt stop to take a dump, he would have got the rabbit. of course this is my opinion only.thanks for reading
Tom

then better not adjust the screw on your T05 trigger.

ADDRESS. EMAIL ME AT L.PIRRONE@ATT.NET

I have been away for a few days. Sorry for the delay.

I am appalled at the way some of you have went with this. The whole idea of LAWYERS getting involved is absurd. It is a part "YOU" buy and "YOU" install. You are responsible if an accident happens. "YOU" modded "YOUR" gun. I wonder how many times any of the tuners have been sued? Or The retailers who sell the pellets to you. Why not sue the Manufacture for making the rifle in the first place. Hell I better contact my lawyer , I bought a donut and now Im getting fat. Yes I feel here we can speak a bit more freely without the fear of being banned or having posts deleted. Its amazing how many e mails and PM,s I have received. According to The Good old boys group (On another site I wont mention) the Diana plastic triggers are OK. That is fine for those who like them. I dislike them and found a fix. As for Price I am putting that together as we speak. I may be able to get a better price on volume. I never intended to go into the trigger business. Apparently that frightened the hell out of a few people. To the point of having a mass of moderators all bash the idea then erase all there posts. Its to bad that its like that but its not the first time I seen it.

I will try and get back to many who e mailed me today !

If you are referring to the GTA forum your post was simply moved to the classifieds were it belongs. Nothing was erased there Chris.

James

First of all, I really do not think it is appropriate to call one poster's comments BS just because you disagree. Secondly, unless your are a lawyer prepared to go to court and defend someone because of a faulty trigger, you probably should not be giving out free advice of what you cannot be held responsible for.I do not know Charlie's business,but I would bet that he does have some kind of insurance policy protecting himself if his product results in injury or death. I think Redfeather said it best, and that is to let a qualified gun smith tinker with the triggers. Jmho


dave

I NEVER referred to liabilities associated with modifying a gun with this trigger. I was mainly talking about firearms triggers once the subject shifted to those. I later included any kind of modified arm because there IS some latent liability, however remote, when you modify something. Do your own brake work? If, God forbid, your brakes malfunction and you slam someone, you might be found guilty of negligence. Just had them done at AAMCO? It's their problem. Does that mean you should never do your own brakes? No, not if you're competent and do a thorough job. But the remote liability remains.

Bill Ruger had to re-design his rifles because some dumb SOB used one to shoot himself with and his family's lawyer convinced a jury it the gun was faulty when it was not. Hence the encyclopedia of firearms safety you now see on every Ruger barrel.

As to this trigger, well, when someone makes a big splash with a new product it will naturally raise a few questions from Doubting Thomases, your average skeptics and folks who simply want a little more info. And, when you say that product is head and shoulders above something else, it invites scrutiny.

When the GT/Rich in Mich trigger for Gamo's came out, they provided quite a bit of information to go with it. That might have set a standard for drop-ins which followed.

Sorry if any of my comments have been interpreted as contentious or provoking. Let's wrap up this here thread and wait for some word from the field. I might even pop for one in my 54 if they work as good as they look.

Sorry fellas I have been inundated with e mails about these. These triggers are for you to install I know a spring that will work with it but that is another story as the Litigious few may lynch me for that !

My e mail address is pryjo@hotmail.com

I really like the trigger on my 34 panther, but I ordered one of Chris' metal triggers just to see what happens. For the price it's not a big loss if it doesn't make an improvement. Even if it works exactly the same as the stock plastic trigger I'll leave it in. If for some reason it's worse than the stock trigger, it's not like I wasted a bunch of money...they're not that expensive. You always hear about the dreaded "plastic" trigger on Dianas and now that there's an inexpensive metal replacement everyone gets overly critical. And as far as the lawsuits go, look at all the other mods for airguns out there. Even Jim Maccari makes a replacement trigger for the fwb 124. He's probably one, if not THE most knowledgeable airgun person out there. Do you think he would be selling something that could end his business?

Not so very long ago,,,,,AHHHH the Discovery disputes. Well,,, like it or not,,turned out ok. Im givin the guy a chance here,,,,so many Folks cry like babys about,,(What I consider to be a fine trigger) Then everyone wants to take the guy to the cleaners for coming up with a posible viable alternative,?? Ya think maybe DIANA is watching this??????? HMMMMMM. Im shure glad Im not the one offering this posible aftermarket improvement trigger.(I dont take criticism well) Crosman employees are taking an active role these days. You can bet the Diana folks are watching. If Chris,s triggers are a hit,,,, unlike the "Gold ones",,,,Diana will put Chris out of buisness in short order.(IMO) Tim.

all the air gun lawyers have made their opinion but it does not hold any water in a plastic cup

ALL of you that disagree have a lame point with modifications on an air gun

maybe if I buy a sling shot and make a slight mod will open the door to a lawsuit

and then maybe I should get the EXPERT advice of some posters here to defent me or use their excuses for the fiscal attorney to prosecute me, guess who WINS

run this person and idea to the ground

don't let an innovation florish because you are biased, just try the darm thing and then bark your opinion

I am amazed at some of these negative post's and will try the trigger

you don't like it, then sue me

warren

and remember "it's 30% the gun and 70% the shooter"

Sir, that is a scurrilous accusation! And, Tim, I ain't slamming anyone for making a trigger. Jeez Louise, Kenyon, Timney and Traister! I'z only pointing out a simple fact that Tim brought up about liabilities. Enough, already! Let's see this here thang in action. We has talked it to death afore it was a borned!

At LEAST, this good gentleman is posting about a DIANA product,which is refreshing. I will now retire.

because my ZING was not for you RF

it was intended for he known's who he is (the air gun lawyer) without a law degree

a bs air gun lawyer and he does not like the caption of BS, keep reading the thread and you will find out, remember Dr. Watson and S Holmes and you will find the BS poster

warren


and remember "it's 30% the gun and 70% the shooter"

Thanks "Red",,, Always in the forefront of issues these days:? Geezze Luweezzee!! Tim.

I can't believe the way some people have reacted to this trigger. The plastic trigger on the new Diana rifles is probably the biggest complaint I have heard about them. I am very interested in this trigger. It looks very well made and would look great on my gun. I am out of town right now and am unable to send email, but I would really like to get some information about this trigger. Please email me if you can at Calla969@cfl.rr.com. I will send you an email when I get back in town if I don't hear from you before then. Once again, it looks like a great product and I would love to add it to my rifle.

Hey Chris, still looking for how this trigger gives "better tuneability". If it really does, I know of about 13 RWS's that will want them. Bling means nothing, performance does. Lee

I am working with a fellow Gentleman who has some great Ideas on a few mods for these. I will try them and let you know if they are better. As for the trigger it self its a METAL blade. The first stage adjustment is a bit better. The screw is on a is on a Nylon bushing that gives it a better angle and a distinct first stage with a CRISP second stage. Combined with the right spring its as easy as pie to get 1 to 2 lb all day !

This was not a business venture I decided to go into. It was a fix for an issue that bugged the SHAT out of me. I found a fix and posted it. This I can tell you, if it was just for bling I would do it as I do not like PLASTIC.

I will start shipping these next week.The few I had went FAST! Those of you who pre ordered will get their first.

If anyone here likes the idea of a metal trigger BLADE, then buy it. No point in running the idea into the ground over liability when the majority here get their airguns tuned, which effectively negates any warrantee, and actually makes the rifles BETTER.

Its just the same concept here. If you believe a metal trigger BLADE will make your Diana rifle better, then what's the problem?

I think its great someone is doing this for those who want it. For those who are liability entrenched in their thinking, simply don't buy it.

Harv

Thank you Harv! Well put Now about that lawyer and the candy bar being sold to me and my getting fat.............. !

Whatever you do, don't look up what aspertame is on the internet...

Now about that candy bar...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQndVv7T1vo

Harv

Chris and Harvey

for constructing and not DESTROYing

for improving and moving forward instead of TAP dancing back-wards

warren

PS: should I continue??

Warren wrote:
"thank you January 28 2009, 5:21 PM

Chris and Harvey

for constructing and not DESTROYing

for improving and moving forward instead of TAP dancing back-wards

warren

PS: should I continue??"

James replies:

Who has destroyed anything?
Who is TAP dancing backwards?

I really do not understand why everyone here can't voice their opinions in an adult manner without having the thread deteriorate as this one has.

James

Poor Diana.

All metal triggers were shipped and I should be caught up. The polished ones were holding me up. If you have any questions Email me !

Read what Chris says: "They give a way crisper feel and better tuneability." I really don't see how they can give a "way crisper feel" Maybe Chris can explain that since both triggers basically identical in shape and design except for the different adjustment screw and the material being used (plastic vs. metal).

Scott If you are that dissatisfied then Return it. You have tried to stab at me every chance,. Give it up send it back.

For those interested I am doing another batch soon. if anyone is interested e mail me. I have 99%positive feedback from them.

Ask Warren he has them all over the country and outside too!

Chris:

those trigger's of you are in England (UK), Neatherlands (Dutch) Germany to be tested and the GOOD OLD USA by some fine tuners and I mean REAL good tuners of Diana's

I buy them and ship them to be tested, don't make any $$ out of this and everyone has been COMPLETELY satisfied

Chris? buy the patent for these triggers and I will buy 50% stock in that company, maybe will retire ahead of time

for those that deny this trigger, buy it and if you DO NOT like them then I will buy them from you and pay shipping

ANY OFFERS???

warren

I didn't realize you were Nigerian! Can you even buy a Chinese patent?

how much is the black trigger?

thanks,scott

I for one have been wondering for quite a while why someone has not done this, given the pent up interest and comments on almost every air gun forum about the Diana plastic triggers ---"It would not cost RWS much more to provide a metal trigger" etc etc. Actually I almost wrote CDT to ask him why he did not "diversify" and consider making this item along with the Gamo triggers that he provides, but I did not.
Seehttp://www.charliedatuna.com/GRT-III%20Trigger%20New.htm

It really mad me wonder if there was not some compelling engineering reason that Diana engineers have "wstuck to their guns" with the plastic for all these years!

Nevertheless. I want a metal trigger too! But it had better be an easy install and really "foolproof." (just as easy as the GRT-III)

Each may consider his/her "liability" attitude as far as making mods to air rifles. IMHO if this were a major worry, there are MANY MANY guns out there with MANY MANY mods of MANY MANY descriptions just awaitin' for the lawyer!

Every Gamo with the CDT triger, and "gas-ram" mod would fall into this "lawyer trap" not to mention the new CAP "Drop-in" mod we have been discussing and lots of others.

Can't wait for the price and first reviews!!!!

Fuller

So this is an OLD thread!! Did not notice that.

Where are the reviews, and what is the deal here?? Is this something that "went away?"

Fuller:

don't know if Chris is still selling them but I did buy a total of 6 of them and I sent 3 of them to some of my friends

they are a drop in replacement made by Rugers to the plastic ones on the Diana TO5

UMAREX sells them

what drives me nut's is the sideplay on my Dianas' trigger but Howie fixed mine with very thin copper washers and I don't have that SMALL sideplay

the metal trigger does nothing more than what the plastic one does, just a boost to the one shooting it because "his" air rifle has a metal trigger

the GRT trigger on the other hand does improve the Gamo air rifle

warren

and remember "it's 30% the gun and 70% the shooter"

Warren, guess I will continue to "muddle through" with the plastic. I ain't really that hung up on metal, just wish the thing had a bit more "competiton trigger" feel to it, and like others I wonder WHY plastic??? Any idea why Diana stuck to the plastic?

Also one of the things I wondered about was eventual wearing of the corners on the plastic break points. Have not owned mine long enough to tell any difference over time.

Thanks again,

Fuller

No, Nope

metal or plastic work the same in the Diana's but the cost for plastic is less, $25.00 for the metal replacement or $10.00 for the plastic and they perform the same

the Diana trigger assembly will NEVER be as good as a Record trigger but not as bad as a GAMO

the Diana plastic trigger blade is made of a high grade plastic never heard of one breaking they have less weight and temperature does not affect them, freeze either one of them and find out

what helps the trigger blade is taking the sideplay AWAY it might be a .000001% improvement to me but it gives PEACE of mind

I can feel everything about how the trigger blade moves with my finger and any sloppy movements are not acceptable

maybe it's my imagination or me being a NO nonsence trigger blade GUY

warren





and remember "it's 30% the gun and 70% the shooter"

All the peeps complaining about modifying the action should just back off. I never saw anyone here make the same arguments at disassembling an Air Gun and replacing the power plant parts with aftermarket stuff.
How is this different?
I would love to install a nice shiny polished metal trigger in my 34P. Just like I would love to drop n a new power plant assembly, and remove the iron sights to mount a scope then attach a new muzzle brake. So when does it become an issue to change out parts?

i ordered 2 i only need 1 if someone needs 1 let me know selphdon@yahoo.com

........

Made in China by Xisico........ for the Air Hawk (RUGERS)

warren

and remember "it's 30% the gun and 70% the shooter"

I have a 1950's Diana with the metal, two screw trigger, and a late 60's Milbro (Scottish Diana type) with an aluminum (?) smooth trigger. Did try the Air Hawk and, while it has a metal trigger, it's not quite as nice a feel as those two. I have a 24 with a sheet metal trigger and a Norica with a plastic trigger. When I'm shooting any of them, my finger is concentrating on the pull and break, not what the composition is. If you want to b*&&$ about plastic, then b&%** about something more substantial like plastic front/rear sights. Plastic globe front sights look nice but are nothing like a good solid steel unit. And, like I've said, Diana's are chiefly hunting rifles, concentrating on functionality. I see complaints about plastic trigger guards, too, but not many about completely synthetic stocks. Go figure? Personally, I would rather see Diana put a little more into lubing their guns - something providing a real, qualitative benefit.

If you're handy with a file, I suppose you could make or adapt a steel trigger to fit a 34. Or slap on a shoe.