I just came back from Howies house where he showed me a Model 34, in .177 cal

nothing extraordinary you would say, its just another RWS 34

NOT!!!!

this much I know about that 34:

stamped date 08 98, serial # 01177236, made in Germany

but this is what I do not know:

etched not stamped on the right hand side of the receiver

"DEUTSCHE BUNDESPATENTE" and "AUSLAND SPATENTE" and next to it is US Pat. 4649893

also: the rear sight is like no other one on a 34 and the safety FLIPS up instead of the other 34s which you push and both are steel, not plastic, the trigger has 2 screws next to each other in the front

on top of the receiver is the Diana logo and Mod. 34 nothing else

anyone ever saw, heard or have any information about this type 34???

any info is much appreciated

warren

and remember "it's 30% the gun and 70% the shooter"

Did it have an "F" inside a pentagram on the receiver block, usually where the caliber is stamped?

"Very interesting" as Klink would say. Here is a link to the patent:

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/4649893/description.html

Wondering if it may have been one of the first in production and later sent in for a trigger replacement? Just thinking'

dave

Dave:

the words etched not stamped in German mean:

German Federal Patent and the other is Foreign Patent refering to the US Pat. 4649893

I am convinced the safety will only work with that specific trigger and it may not be a TO trigger which explains why the top does not have any reference to a TO1 or any TO trigger

the wood stock, barrel, front sight is clearly the same as any other 34 BUT the rear sight, trigger and safety are not

another PUZZLE is the serial # 01177236, did they make that many of them?? DON"T think so either because that is stamped in the barrel which is 19" long; standard in a RWS 34

the rear sight windage and elevation are not the common RWS type, turn clockwise to lower and counterclockwise to raise; this one is the OPPOSITE

warren



and remember "it's 30% the gun and 70% the shooter"

I do not know but will ask Howie to post a picture

never have I seen this kind of 34, I believe Devin sold it to Howie, he might be the key answering some of these questions

warren

and remember "it's 30% the gun and 70% the shooter"

Diana sells world-wide. Remember, we in the US are a whole ten percent! BTW, if you have an old-style 45, how does the trigger/safety compare? I understand the 45 was after the ball-sear and before the T01. Could be a very early 34 proto-type?

As to the s/n, is the barrel, itself, stamped or the receiver block? If the barrel, then it could be that Diana uses/used them for different models.

RF:

it does not come close to the 45 in trigger, safety and rear sight

the barrel is a STANDARD 34 barrel in .177 cal. but the rest might be a proto-type, IE: experiment from Diana on the 34

maybe a variant between the 45 and the early production of the first 34

my 45 has the TO1 trigger and you can clearly read it on the top of the action, this 34 has no reference to what trigger it has, meaning (TO whatever #)

warren

and remember "it's 30% the gun and 70% the shooter"

That sounds like something off a 27. My old 50 has two screws. Is the trigger aluminum?

the trigger is plastic , is it possible that since their is no to1 stamped on the receiver it could be the rifle before the one with the to1 since their would be no indication that it is a upgrade ( a new model trigger ) you know a mdl to .? . howie

This doesn't make any sense ? I have two TO1 34s made in 87 and 88, so that production date of 98 doesnt make any sense unless its an in between of the TO1 and TO5.

that this is all factory original stuff. Could this be a Frankenstein? I would have no idea, but this thought came to me as I read the thread.

Model48

Except for the sping guide, spring, flange washer and piston seal which were installed late last summer.

I wouldn't know anything else as far as what numbers are on it, I figured it was a T01 because of the metal safety.

I believe it was bought from either Cabella's or Bass Pro Shops in the mid-late 90's

From what it looks here it's a bit different than the norm...and I never even knew it. It was one of the 2 RWS rifles I've ever handled, and the only M34 so I really don't know anything.

It doesn't help that I was only 10-12 years old at the time I got it, because at that time I really didn't pay attention to details. I just knew I had the coolest air-gun on the block of all my friends hahaha.

My 34 is from 11/92 and has the same trigger, safety and markings described above. A friend of mine had an airgun shop for years and all the 34s I seen go through there were pretty much the same as mine. I live in Canada but my rifle is a full power version not detuned. Maybe during the 90s we just got a different version than the U.S. just like how none of our Diana pistols have safeties?

why?? mark a 34 with US Pat. and not sell them in the USA, this might not be a rare 34 but I still would like to know the history behind this production

by the way Benny, what cal is your 34? and does it also have the rear sight I described

warren

and remember "it's 30% the gun and 70% the shooter"

I took my rear sight off over a decade a go when I cut down my barrel. My rear sight raises the elevation when turned counter clockwise. My 34 is in .177, serial #C1057968. When I mentioned the markings on my gun I meant that it's stamped with "Model 34" and there is no T01 or T05 etc. As far as patent numbers go there is nothing stamped or etched anywhere on the gun. I'm sure that I have the original box and owners manual packed away somewhere but that will take a lot of digging.

but we are back to square 1, you do not have the same 34

this action is etched not stamped with "DEUTSCHE BUNDESPATENTE" and "AUSLANDSPATENTE", stamping is US Pat. 4649893 right next to the etching German words

is yours the same??

warren

and remember "it's 30% the gun and 70% the shooter"

Except for the patent markings and the rear sight my gun seems to be the same. Same flip up safety and plastic trigger with two screws. The markings are different because we are in different markets so that isn't unusal. So the only real difference between your gun and mine is the rear sight.

The gun is fine with me my friend Warren likes to do research on RWS rifles so I still don't know why it is marked the way it is , kind of neat having a puzzle but it is a fine shooting gun and I am glad I got it from Devin, and thank him for the nice gun, it's a sweetheart , and really like that it is not a bear to cock like some other rifles I have had and is nice an accurate too. I have re blued the barrel and it's a nice dark blue/black now and one day I will probability re carve and refinish it to high shine walnut finish. the stock thanks again howie

The gun is fine with me my friend Warren likes to do research on RWS rifles so I still don't know why it is marked the way it is , kind of neat having a puzzle but it is a fine shooting gun and I am glad I got it from Devin, and thank him for the nice gun, it's a sweetheart , and really like that it is not a bear to cock like some other rifles I have had and is nice an accurate too. I have re blued the barrel and it's a nice dark blue/black now and one day I will probability re carve the stock and refinish it to high shine walnut finish. the stock thanks again howie

Great gun Howie. Obvious a older gun.You know what they say, "Older is Better". By the way, did you do the bluing your self or did you send it out? We would all love to see some pic's of this fine gn.

Dave

Doesn't the T01 have a metal safety that flips up and down? There is a 52 Luxus in the gun shop I was looking at a while back and it has a safety similar to the one described and two screwson the trigger, a hexagonal and a phillips.... Is this a T01 or this "mystery trigger" on the "german puzzle" gun?

The trigger flips up and down , and I did a cold blue job using Brownells product. it works nice and is not hard to do. Howie PS I'm not sure how to put pictures on this form. How do you use the photo bucket?

20 feet away 1/2" black dot, 1st round in the black and the 2nd next to it with open sights, the air gun is accurate enough

cocking effeort is not hard which tells me it is shooting .177 cal in the 700ish fps range, will chrony it next week with Howie

my only complaint is the trigger, hard in the pull; I could not feel a 2nd stage

I have a 34 with a TO1 but it has been tuned by John in PA, it has a little travel and then you feel the resistance after that it releases

by the time Howie finishes that 34 the action and wood stock will be 100% better, he is more than capable to do these kind of tunes' into that 34

warren

PS: Howie get the pictures ready, next week I will go over and we can post them using Photobucket



and remember "it's 30% the gun and 70% the shooter"

The invention is based upon the problem of assembling a compressed-air weapon of this classification so that the repair-susceptible parts can be removed from the weapon and reinstalled in a simple manner, so that either they can be replaced in the gun shop or they can be detached from the remainder of the weapon, despatched to the manufacturing works, repaired there and then reinstalled in the weapon by the weapon dealer.

It is a special advantage of the solution according to the invention that the prefabricated construction unit can be kept in stock at the manufacturing works and also by the weapon dealer and in the case of an order for repair it is merelynecessary to replace the defective construction unit by a construction unit kept in stock. This proceeds in the simplest manner because the small parts of the counter-hook-engagement system, the trigger return spring and possibly the small parts of thetrigger safety catch system do not need to be detached from one another at all, but remain assembled in the construction unit.

In a compressed-air weapon, for the simplification of original production and repair and for the simplification of stockholding it is proposed that the trigger, the counter-hook-engagement system, the trigger return spring and the trigger safety catch system if provided are combined into one...




Patent number: 4649893
Filing date: Feb 22, 1985
Issue date: Mar 17, 1987
Inventor: Walter Heitz
Assignee: Mayer & Grammelspacher DIANAWERK




and remember "it's 30% the gun and 70% the shooter"

I don't think that how hard a rifle cocks is a indicator of pellet speed I did chrony this RWS rifle and it shoots in the mid 900 fps which it about right for a 177 rifle using 7.9 gr. crosman hollow points. it dosn't hit as hard as my Quest that is running about 1050 fps. in 177 cal but I think the Quest had a higher mfs. rating for speed. I think you are wrong and I don't think my chrony is off not that much if it is off at all,It seems right for other rifles I used it on that I had chronyed with a your chrony. If we were talking about a 22 cal it might be in the ballpark for a speed of 700fps with 14,5 gr pellets. howie

I was last shooting JSB 8.44gr pellets out of that rifle and it did seem to shoot slower after I installed the GRT tune kit, but I did not have a chrony until about 3 weeks ago. I did get a chance to shoot through it a few times and it was in the 785-795 range with the JSBs (I'm not sure what is normal for the JM spring). Keep in mind this is after 1000-1500 shots that had been through it from the time the kit was installed so I'm not sure if the velocity had degraded or not.

Just curious as to how your search is progressing.

RF:

I have some heavy hitters into this (HM) and others, will go next week to Howie's house and get pictures since he cannot post them with Photobucket BUT

I have to E-Mail Diana at Germany and ask some questions, that will take some time

bottom line; this trigger assembly is one of the first modification of the TO1 by M&G using a US patent; meaning the family of the TO triggers are a variant of a USA trigger assembly

patience and all will be revealed

warren

and remember "it's 30% the gun and 70% the shooter"