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Shooting High!

July 1 2009 at 5:43 AM
  (Login t165)
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I bought a NIB RWS 350 22 rifle approximately 2 months ago. I have had a RWS 34 .177 rifle for the last 8 years and it has been a very fine, and abused, airgun. The RWS 350 is actually more accurate than my 34...at least with the pellets I have been using as of late. I bought 3 tins, 750 rounds, of cheap Daisy "precision max" flat-nosed pellets to break the 350 in with. At $3.00 per 250 round tin this was the cheapest pellets I could find locally. The 350 shoots the pellets very well which was surprising because the 34 hates the Daisy "precision max" .177 flat-nosed pellets. I also bought 3 tins, 600 rounds, of Beeman Crow-Magnum Pellets to use after the RWS 350 was given a chance to settle down. My problem is the 350 is shooting the 14.3 grain Daisy pellets high. I adjusted the rear sight as low as it will go and at about 15 yards the pellets are striking approximately 1 1/2 inches high. The 18.5 grain Crow-Mags are striking about 3/4 to 1 inch high at the same distance. And the more I shoot the 350 the higher the groups seem to get. I am at about 650 rounds through it right now. I just purchased 750 more Daisy pellets to continue breaking the rifle in but I am really frustrated with having to hold low all the time. I am using the factory iron sights. Has anyone else had this problem with their 350? I have tried to scope the 34 in the past and it was just not worth the effort...scopes working loose...not holding zero and setting them as high as they will adjust and still not being high enough. I would really like to know a fix without sending the 350 back to the factory or trying to scope it. Are taller front post sights available for the 350? I know it sounds trivial but I'll use the 34 one day and then when I switch to the 350 I'll sure as s*** forget to hold low. I would appreciate any advice I could glean.

 
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(Login RWS460Shooter)
75.143.187.186

This is common.

July 1 2009, 6:31 AM 

Guns shoot different pellets different. I have found the 350 is most susceptible to this issue. Don't shoot cheap pellets in good guns. Find a quality pellet your 350 likes that groups well and stick with it.
Rob

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James
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75.100.58.102

bought 3 tins, 600 rounds, of Beeman Crow-Magnum

July 1 2009, 6:43 AM 

This is probably not your best choice for accuracy. The Crow-Mag pellet is a hollowpoint. They tend to yaw after a short distance. That said my 350 groups them fairly well out to about 20 yards. After that accuracy is suspect at best. With my R1 I get keyholes at any distance. You might want to try out a domed or wadcutter pellet. My 350 loves Kodiaks if you don't mind a heavy pellet. Good luck, you have yourself a fine rifle there.

James

 
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JC
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192.251.13.62

Heavier Pellets or longer distance

July 1 2009, 9:16 AM 

It's a magnum air rifle and its breaking in; sounds like it will be shooting higher yet if you don't make a change.

 
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(Login LARRYPIRRONE1)
75.85.55.227

heck, guys sounds fishy to me

July 1 2009, 12:24 PM 

its not a pellet issue or a break in issue. something is amis with this gun.
1.5" high at 15 meters will translate to several inches at 25. if it were zeroed at 25 it would have to shoot pretty low at 15. and, the sights are bottomed out. he indicates a "new in box" gun. not sure if that means it was bought from a reputable dealer or a yellow forum seller saying "new in box". this is sounding a lot like a bent barrell< or reverse droop. also, i am not familiar with the way the stock attaches on a 350. is it similar to a 34 with a yoke? perhaps the yoke is loose. i had a loose yoke on my new tx 200. it would cause it to shoot high and also eratic.

 
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(Login wvkeith)
72.65.128.137

Re: heck, guys sounds fishy to me

July 1 2009, 12:28 PM 

Maybe a bear-trap type incidence occurred and bent the barrel up.

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JC
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96.245.42.204

Good Catch Larry

July 1 2009, 4:00 PM 

Have you been using Chair Gun again? Mine shows it could still be a sight issue, but there's at least another 10 yards of rising going on before it dips back the other direction.

 
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(Login lettercarrier)
71.180.13.143

I'll bite on this one

July 1 2009, 4:05 PM 

Larry you old Fox

do all air guns come with the same barrel droop??

what about a reverse droop??

lower grain pellets will shoot high with a reverse droop and these barrel's do exist but with a high grain pellet and it will hit lower compared to the lower grain ones at longer distances

it's not the pellets' you use it's the barrel that is giving you headaches

try this: same distance 10, 15, 20 yards with the same pellets (5 shots), then change the weight of the pellet at those distances and another 5 shots at those distances

if you go from 1.5" high to 1" with the low grain to high pellet weight BUT at a longer distance your barrel is bent UPWARDS

not uncomon

I had a 34 that was shooting high and I cut the barrel from 19.3" to 14", problem solved and by cutting the barrel added 10 more FPS from 700 to 710 FPS with Gamo hunters 15.3 gr. pellets

I can get 730 with 14.3 CP's without a loss of accuracy on that 34

whatever pellet the gun can digest the best is the one you will use, forcing a pellet brand and weight will add troubles

warren



and remember "it's 30% the gun and 70% the shooter"

 
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Re: Shooting High!

July 1 2009, 5:15 PM 

I'll go out now and move the target back to 30 yards and see what happens. I'm beginning to think airguns are more complicated and harder to shoot accurately than powder burners! Plus harder to maintain...who would of thunk it!

 
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Re: Shooting High!

July 1 2009, 6:07 PM 

This is getting frustrating. Maybe I should just stop griping. Impact, vertical impact to be more specific, has changed again. The air rifle is still shooting high but not as high. At 30 yards the 18.5 crow-mags are now dead on. The 14.3 daisy pellet is still a bit high but not as bad. And they are stiil shooting high at 15 yards but again...not as high as before. The only difference is today it is only 75 degrees while when I was sighting in last week it was in the 90's. I would not think in the low powered enviroment which airgunning is there would be such an exaggeration of pellet performance. I only have aroung 650-675 fired rounds through the RWS350 so far. Should I shoot more rounds through it before I try to start experminting with different types and weights of pellets for long term exclusive use. I do not remember having the sighting problem with the RWS 34 as with the 350.

 
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JC
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I would try Warren's test with some better pellets

July 1 2009, 6:40 PM 

I would think adding in a thirty yard distance also wouldn't hurt. JSB Exacts and Kodiaks come to mind as good choices. The consistency of the Daisy's and Crow Magnums call any results into question.

 
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