PLEASE START A NEW THREAD. THIS IS REALLY TOO OLD.
THANKS, THE MGMT.
I am new to air rifles and wanting to purchase a new rifle. I have been reading a lot about the new Nitro piston and was wandering if that is the way to go. I almost had myself talked into buying a RWS 34 with the new T06 trigger, but was wandering if I should go the Nitro piston route instead. Any help would be appreciated.
This message has been edited by RedFeather from IP address 22.214.171.124 on Sep 16, 2013 10:54 AM
Thanks for all the helpful insite. Looks like I will be ordering an M34 in .22 Any advice for which pellets to try. I will mainly be hunting squirrels and birds in my back yard and plinking at some targets and tin cans.
Realize that how ever the gun shoots out of the box it will not settle in untill you have run at least 1000 pellets through it. Take a breath, that's only 2 tins. And trust me, you will enjoy every one, and will be more and more impressed as you go. With yourself and the gun. Its a win/win situation.
PS Warren forgot to mention that there have been 250,000 34s produced since they were first brought out. 250,000! And there's a good reason for that.
Do not limit yourself to comments here. I personally own a 34 and can attest to the great quality. However, I think there is something to the gas ram. I have two Beeman C1's. I am going to get one with a gas ram installed, and then be able to make a judgment after a true comparison. I would love to see a Diana 34 with a gas ram. Hey! Think out of the BOX!!!
My Son has a model 34, very nice for the price. Compared to any Crossman I think the choice is obvious. Ram vs spring is something completely different. There is no clear winner over another in medium powered air guns. It really is a matter of preference. Now....when it comes to high powered air rifles like the Crow Mag or the RX2 you really need a ram to achieve this type of power effectively.
Of course you are free to use the words any way you want. And to define "effectiveness" any which way you choose.
IMHO effectiveness should be regarded as the ability to get a job done. Which is different from efficiency in the sense that efficiency is the ability to do a particular work with the least amount of resources possible.
Now, taking numbers from a well respected source: Straightshooters, we come to the following data:
Notwithstanding the experiences published here that tell us that the D54 is capable of performances better than this, let's just say the I fail to see where the purported "effectiveness" of the GasRammed rifles is.
Not really. I was not making the statement in terms of painting such a broad brush. Simply saying, bone stock, generally speaking the gas ram power plant are the ones you typically see with the highest fpe number. Granted the difference may be small, and a spring piston could be modded to equal, but that isn't where I was going.
and while 1 ft-lb more for the spring gun, with 1 lb less weight may be a small difference, it grows when you note that the cocking effort needed to get that result is in favour of the spring gun.
Were we to discuss modded guns, then the D-54 with a MEDIUM coking effort and 0.8 lbs less weight can yield 20% more energy than the RX-2 with 1 lb. more weight and a HEAVY cocking effort. (24 REAL ft-lbs in a D-56 in 0.22" vs. 20 REAL Ft-lbs in a 0.22" cal. RX-2 I once had to fix).
Existing Gas Ram powerplants are mainly an exercise in marketing and/or cost cutting. Some EXCEPTIONAL Gas Rams of the past WERE an exercise in efficiency and effectivity but, sadly, are not produced anymore and were attacked before they had the time to mature into accurate airguns.
When you get to REAL numbers, GasRams do not stand the test of reality.
Warren, Theoben gas rams have been around about 30 years and are the only rams that have "stood the test of time". Crosman's Chinese made NPSS ARE NOT Theoben level. So I agree with you on your statement and everything else you brought up.
I've never owned a Theoben however; I've spent hours with one shooting and I think they are pretty nice. I'm not sure I will ever own a gas ram but I did own a Mod 48 for 10 years, so I do understand what a springer brings to the power table. In my opinion when it comes to a springer the R1 (HW80) is the sweet spot between power, quality, and a spring power plant. I won just 3 now (Beeman R1 / TX200 MKIII / Beeman Blue-Laminate HW97. All I fitted with JM springs and seals. None produce the highest fpe possible, but that is defiantly not what I'm looking for.
Would I like to own a gas ram? Yes, but likely only a Theoben.
"Nitro piston" is typical marketing hype. This type of airgun is essentially a one pump pneumatic air rifle. In a nutshell you have a lot of air under pressure in a cylinder (air is 80% nitrogen). By design eventually something will give and with pneumatics sooner rather than later. Finally this air is rarely under the same pressure therefore accuracy also becomes an issue. As airguns are small game weapons accuracy is crucial. A springer (esp a M34) may not sound trendy but used properly could last a life time and deliver the same punch 20 years from now and it's quite a punch. In some cases a harder punch. As any owner will attest they are extremely accurate. As a survival tool a nitro piston is about as useful and logical as a PCP, that's to say useless and illogical. One caution though. Powerful airguns are heavy and make a noise almost in the 22LR range. Goes with the territory.
I don't even know what day it is half the time, much less the hour
August 14 2012, 2:16 PM
Hey, Warren. I'm always scratching my head over these blasts from the past. Was just shooting my NPSS this afternoon, followed by the two 24's. Honestly, aside from the super smooth cocking on the NPSS, I'll take the 24's. Think I've solved my fuzzy sights problem. Tried the last ten rounds with reading glasses on and made a fairly decent hole - dime sized. Back in business!