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The FUN Starts NOW!!! Texas HB 458

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January 7, 2009
The Texas Legislature convenes their 81st Regular Session on January 13th
and adjourns at the end of May. However bills are already being filed so
fasten your seat belts, this will be a rough year.

The Responsible Pet Owners Alliance's Board of Directors voted last night to
OPPOSE HB 458 filed by Rep. David Leibowitz from San Antonio relating to
"limitations on the number of dogs at a residence in certain counties."

The bill states:
"The commissioners court of a county with a population of one million or
more by order may limit the number of dogs that an individual may keep at a
residence located in a residential subdivision in the unincorporated area of
the county."
(Note this is unincorporated areas only. However it is a trend we don't
want to see established in our counties.)

The "residential subdivision" means a subdivision that is platted and
recorded in the county real property records; in which the majority of the
lots are subject to deed restrictions limiting lots to residential use and
that includes at least five lots that have existing residential structures.

A meeting will be scheduled with Rep. Leibowitz asap to ask him to pull his
bill, that we vehemently oppose it for the reasons listed below. Limit
Laws:
* Target all pet owners, regardless of the behavior of their animals.
* Are hard to enforce as pet owners will simply hide their pets.
* Cause a decline in the number of pets licensed and vaccinated for Rabies.
Bordering Mexico, there's always a Rabies threat in Texas and the primary
concern of elected officials should be that all animals are vaccinated for
Rabies.
* A person with one dog that runs loose or barks all night is a greater
nuisance than a person with a dozen dogs that are quiet, clean, and kept at
home. Numbers have no relationship to nuisances.

Please contact your legislators and tell them that you oppose this bill.
ALWAYS ask for the person in charge of legislation. If you don't know your
legislators, go to: www.capitol.state.tx.us/home.aspx and fill in the box at
the bottom "Who represents me?"

Then contact bill sponsor Rep. Leibowitz and politely ask that he withdraw
HB 458. Phone Austin: (512) 463-0269, Fax: (512) 320-0555 and/or Phone
San Antonio: (210) 372-0759, Fax: (210) 372-1405. Ask for the person in
charge of legislation.

If you haven't joined RPOA, do so today. Your animals will be glad you did.
For the "Lobbyist Fund", mail donations to RPOA Texas Outreach (the 501 C4)
at the address below. For a tax deductible donation, you can join RPOA (the
501 C3) on our website with PayPal or mail in the membership form.

RPOA Texas Outreach (501 C4)
Responsible Pet Owners Alliance (501 C3)
900 NE Loop 410 #311-D
San Antonio, TX 78209
Website: www.responsiblepetowners.org
$15 Annual dues (January - December)
To subscribe or unsubscribe,e-mail rpoa@texas.net.

WARNING: This e-mail is a suspected phishing scam.

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Important Health Study Information!!!
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To Bulldog Club of America Members:
The Canine Genetics Laboratory at Clemson University (recently moved from Texas A&M University) is soliciting samples from Bulldogs for a current project investigating two developmental disorders: spina bifida and cleft palate. Spina bifida is a condition in which the neural tube fails to close; cleft palate results from an incomplete closure of the hard palate, which separates the nasal and oral cavities.
Our study aims to identify candidate genes that may either cause the conditions or be involved in canine developmental patterning processes. Our ultimate goal from this work is to identify the mutation(s) causing closure defects in the bulldog. This would allow us to develop a genetic test that would enable early classification of affected dogs as well as detection of carrier dogs. Breeders would then be able to make informed decisions in their breeding programs and avoid these disorders from their breeding lines.
To accomplish these goals, we need your help. We need to collect samples from at least 50 affected (spina bifida and cleft palate) and 50 normal bulldogs.
The more samples we can accumulate will increase our chances of definitively identifying the gene(s) causing spina bifida and cleft palate.
These samples can be either blood or buccal (cheek) cells, with a preference given to blood. Most veterinarians are willing to draw blood for research purposes at no cost. Please contact Dr. Alison Starr (astarr@clemson.edu; 864.656.0191) for more information.
Thank you for your time and consideration of this study.

Sincerely,

Alison N. Starr, Ph.D.
Keith E. Murphy, Ph.D.
Julianne S. Collins, Ph.D.

Clemson University
51 New Cherry Rd
319 BRC
Clemson, SC 29634
Phone: 864.656.0191
Fax: 864.656.0393

Just-LoneStar Bulldogs

www.2008nationals.homestead.com

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Interesting
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Thanks for the info!

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Some questions/thoughts
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It would be great to find some answer to this. I have printed out the info and will give it to my vet. I don't personally know of any SB dogs here, but he might. On the cleft issue, since puppies are then put to sleep after being born, I guess doing the swab at that time would be the only way, correct? And if you do have a cleft puppy born, wouldn't getting the DNA examples of the sire and dam be important, too, to show they must be a carrier?

However, I have another question on this. I thought it had always been said how important folic acid was when breeding, that a lack of that can cause these problems. That is why women need it too. If they are feeling that it is more a DNA genetic issue, and to identify the carriers, SB and clefts have been an issue with humans for the ages. Has there been, or is there, any studies/research with humans that would identify such a gene?

Posted on Jan 8, 2009, 8:29 AM
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Very Interesting
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I'm willing to bet that if they find some genetic basis for spina bifida in our breed, that it is a specific or semi-specific combination of genes that really facilitates the extreme expression of this problem.

I really don't hear much about clefts anymore (you would expect not to, because it's usually more obvious at birth and the issue is dealt with immediately, whereas often, spina bifida pups are taken home because it's not obvious right away). But I suspect that much fewer clefts are born due to the widespread understanding that a deficiency in folate can cause it.

Jay

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Jay, this is your field, question
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>>deficiency in folate can cause it.< <br>
Since it IS a known fact, then.....how does a "known" deficiency relate to a mutant gene or DNA issue??

Again, since this has for years been a human issue, too, what has been found with humans regarding a DNA marker?

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Comparing Affecteds vs. Non-Affecteds
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Patti,

Honestly, I haven't been following any newer developments in these fields for a while. In fact, whenever I see Ryan and Allora, I ask them what's new in the area as they work in a related field. I'm sure Naomi can also talk more about recent developments. But, your question is one reason why they need genetic samples from affecteds and non-affecteds to compare their genomes and see if there are any anomalies that differ and that could be related to these expressions of SB and/or clefts. I haven't looked up any literature about human clefts and the differences between a nutritional deficiency affected versus an inherited affected.

Jay

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same big win, two opposit remrks from one poster....be careful when you brag...
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These are two comments made in regards to a big weekend win. First one was done a few hours after I posted the brag. Second comment was lifted from Best of Bulldogs, a day later and made by the same person leaving the first nasty post.

See the differnce? This was by the same person, difference was who the comment was directed at.

Purest form of bad sportsmanship directed at one person. Check it out....

This may
be a dual personality thing.....I don't know but this seems to continue and follow me for reasons unknown to me.

Post #1 on Bullyten from poster named:Patti, in response to one of my girl's offspring winning big:

" Marcel, Please, don't break your arm always patting yourself on the back. We are ALL happy for Amy and Bill.""

Post #2 on Best of Bulldogs by the poster of the previous post on Bullyten about the same win:

"WOW.... have your feet hit the ground yet?
by Patti (Login merktj)

Congratulations.... Congratulations.... Congratulations!!!
What a week end. I am so happy for you two. You know I've always liked your girl!"

This is just makes me never want to share anything I may learn or discover. If she meant to chase me away, I guess she's succeeding. Just remember how two faced a congrat's can actually be. I'm inclined to not think much about good sportsmanship when I see posts, like what I was subjected to.

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Marcel, get OVER it
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I have already answered your comments the other day.

You are comparing apples and oranges.

I would also suggest you temper your slanderous remarks everytime you post something directed at me. You are on notice.

Have a GOOD DAY!

Posted on Jan 7, 2009, 12:39 PM
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I have, thank you....
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n/m

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Wow...I came across this link today
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http://www.breedingdogsguidebook.com/

Any thoughts??

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Holy ****! (sorry for the language, but ...)
by Jaime Gerdes
are you kidding me? I CANNOT believe that there is a book about this. I wish I had read it before breeding. I had no idea I could be making such profit off of breeding Bulldogs (although my co workers do think I have gotten rich off of it). The only saving grace in this is that I don't think this is a subject people would actually go and seek out information on at the book store.

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Better hurry...
by Shelly
Only have til 11:59pm Jan. 7, to get his Promotional value!! My gawd...how ridiculous!!!
Anything to make a buck, how sad.

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Now try this
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put breeding bulldogs in your search engine. The top two results I get are for STUD SERVICE...

Posted on Jan 7, 2009, 11:22 AM
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This is very interesting!....
by Shelly
My website is listed on this site without permission!

http://www.engbulldogs.com/

Posted on Jan 7, 2009, 12:34 PM
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hhhmmm
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another reason I don't have a webpage...people can't lift your info or pictures. Well it could be free advertising if the site is decent.

Posted on Jan 7, 2009, 12:42 PM
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True...
by Shelly
But I emailed and asked it be removed.

Posted on Jan 7, 2009, 12:44 PM
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Looks like a decent site
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And the breeders listed for CA for example, are at least all "known" breeders, not BYB.

And, they list the site "The Wrong Puppy", which is a very good site, about scams on internet sales, imports, etc.

Posted on Jan 7, 2009, 12:48 PM
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Yes...
by Shelly
It looks to be decent, but I prefer my site to not be listed there and since I didnt give permission I would like it removed. I like to know where my site is linked to.

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It appears...
by Shelly
All the sites have been lifted off BDW.

Posted on Jan 7, 2009, 12:58 PM
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Not all
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The one listed for Nevada is no longer. Thank goodness they are gone. They were a local puppy miller, bad news, but have moved their operation to TX now, and the web site is not active.

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I had seen that a year or so ago
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It was posted somewhere before. But it seemed like the answer from this guy was it was "just a joke".....Something stupid.

But, I do remember having that pointed out. Sad too many people have that idea.

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Typical Bulldog!
by Anonymous
This is Otto. He is Holly's brother and lives with the most wonderful family! Anyhow, his mom sent me this photo of him. Only a Bulldog...

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That's my post
by Jaime Gerdes

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Otto
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Isn't this the one that falls asleep sitting up too?

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Yup!
by Jaime Gerdes
I could not get within ten feet of my girls without them waking up.

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Country Wide Legislative News
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Los Angeles (CA) Times:
PETA to USA Network:
don't air Westminster!
http://tinyurl.com/8uyynh

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New York (NY) Times:
Should Animal Cruelty
on Film Be Illegal?
http://tinyurl.com/8ssouq

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AKC website:
Alert - Montana Bill Will Seek to
Ban and Euthanize Some Terriers!
http://tinyurl.com/76ye3h

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The Age (AUS):
Close ports to terror
ship: whaling body
http://tinyurl.com/9zwhzz

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Top News website:
Animal rights group calls for
ban of Vienna horse carriages
http://tinyurl.com/8qj4qt

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Top News website:
Leona Lewis named Person
of the Year by PETA
http://tinyurl.com/93f795

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The Washington (DC) Times:
The difference between animal
rightists and farm-grown people
http://tinyurl.com/99q9bg

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Canwest website:
Wal-Mart pulls slippers after
animal-rights group complains
http://tinyurl.com/7f4v3k

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AVMA website:
What can the veterinary profession
expect in Obama's America?
http://tinyurl.com/7o5273

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The State Journal-Register (Springfield, IL):
Dave Bakke: Judges rule on
the proper value of a dogs life
http://tinyurl.com/8lywqo

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Nancy Wright
Chair
Legislation Committee
TEXAS KENNEL CLUB

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Westminster
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How sad would it be if they get their wish and Westminster is not televised? I wonder where they get their stats? One in four purebred dogs has a genetic illness???

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We need to challenge them on stuff like this
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Jessica, just like that Pet Industry saying in the local news in NM that the Cornell Study showed that puppies from pet shops are healthier than those purchased other places.... We need to put them on the spot to PROVE what they are saying, and to get the word out just as much nationally how "incorrect" there information is.

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Couldnt agree more!
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NM

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Vets & Breeders ( Please Read and Comment on this Interesting Article )
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Vets and Breeders
by "Lottadogs"

The new vet is staring at my rather thick folder with an unhappy expression. Are you some kind of breeder or something? she asks as my heart sinks.

Why yes I answer with a smile, Im a breeder and I also do breed rescue making my folder extra thick. I like to say Im a responsible breeder and that I care about more than just the puppies I produce. She looks at me in disbelief and then examines my dog.

How many litters has she had? the vet asks. None, I reply, shes just getting old enough to have completed her health testing and Im thinking about maybe doing a litter next spring. Again the look of skepticism appears. We leave it at that and once the dog is cared for I leave.

Next time Im at the office I ask for the senior vet and discuss the conversation I had with his new intern. He tells me the vet is very good but that the new vets are coming out of school thinking that breeding is bad as they dont have a farm background like the vets used to when he was young. Back then most who studied veterinary science went into school from a background of animal care. Now they are people who love animals and that is bringing in a new view of the animal owning world.

I do see more of the young vet as she is gentle with the animals and a good diagnostician plus her schedule is more open than the more senior vets may be. Over time she decides I actually am what I say I am, a careful and concerned breeder.

I know Ive changed her view when she unexpectedly calls me one day for advice to help a client who needs to hand raise a litter. At one point during I conversation she tells me This person shouldnt even be a breeder as shes not the least bit like YOU! So I know the anti breeding prejudice is still there but at least now allows for there to be exceptions.

What is going on here that veterinarians are coming out of their studies disliking breeders? How could this happen that the professions that need each other should be so at odds? If there are no breeders there are no animals and no need for veterinarians. If there are no veterinarians who are familiar with breeding issues and the care of breeding animals then the breeders and their animals are going to be out on a limb alone with urgent or specialized care needs. People new to breeding will not get good advice or be guided into responsible practices by their veterinarian if the veterinarian is anti breeding.

What are the vets learning in school that makes them anti breeders and breeding? Heres an example from one curriculum seen here .

A small animal veterinarian has to decide what procedures he/she is unwilling to do for ethical reasons (e.g. ear crops, tail docs, de-claws, convenience euthanasia, etc.) and be equipped to deal with clients and colleagues who may disagree with your ethical values.

The implication being that objecting is the correct and ethical stand.

In the early 1980s, Bernard E Rollin who is now widely recognized as the father of veterinary ethics published a book Animal Rights and Human Morality which is and has been used in the study of veterinary ethics.
Veterinary Ethics: Animal Welfare, Client Relations, Competition and Collegiality by Jerrold Tannenbaum is another book used to teach veterinary ethics.

Previously ethics was considered to be about the ethics of running a practice, abiding by rules on advertising and dealing with fellow veterinarians etc. More recently its become about whether or not a vet should do a medical procedure depending on how they feel about it.

Starting in elementary school students today are presented with information on animal rights and encouraged to not eat meat, not wear leather, and to consider breeding and owning animals as immoral and cruel. By the time they get to a vet school they have years of images about greedy breeders, puppy mills, and animal cruelty firmly in mind.

Then at veterinary school these attitudes are reinforced with more training that comes straight from the animal rights agenda including peer pressure from those students who are ardently animal rights oriented. Some of it works to short term financial advantages for practices such as promotion of spay neuter surgeries.

There is the push for alternate sources of study rather than using real animals such as is seen here on the veterinarians for animal rights website . Not working on live animals is considered good and working on living animals or dead animals is considered bad. Yet do we really want veterinarians who have not worked on the actual animal tissue working on our pets?

According to this site :

There are approximately 80,000 veterinarians in the United States, and 11,000 of them are already supporters of The HSUS.

With HSUS being an animal rights group that supports the ending of all animal ownership or interaction between humans and animals it seems a bit strange to find any veterinarians supporting them at all, but they do.

So what are the results of the new age of veterinary science for the animal owner? Well in the new age lexicon Breeder = Greedy Evil Animal Torturing Person. Not quite how I view myself considering the thousands in dollars and thousands in hours I spend tending to my animals welfare!

This extends to the person with that new show puppy who will be encouraged to spay or neuter, not show or breed; perhaps the given opinion will even be based on faulty knowledge of a breed by a vet. I remember one vet who told me to spay my show puppy as she had an undershot jaw which fortunately I knew was perfectly correct in my breed!

This also impacts the pet owner who might consider becoming a breeder as a definite effort to get the dogs altered is shown.

Extremely high prices for needed medical services come into play. $3500 for a c-section but only $150 for a spay with some vets refusing to do a c-section at all! When a beloved pet dies horrifically as the owner cannot afford to get needed medical care at staggering prices, how many will continue on thinking breeding is OK to do?

If you have a dog that is elderly but in good health, or young but dangerously aggressive or fearful, some veterinarians will refuse to euthanize if the animal is not untreatably ill. This leaves owners open to lawsuits if they rehome a dangerous animal because a vet will not euthanize it, puts more stress on the shelters who may end up taking in these animals, or in the case of a senior animal may mean the pet will be bounced in and out of shelters or foster care until it becomes too ill to rehome as so few adopt a senior dog. Is it kinder to keep the animal alive when the owner wants to euthanize? some vets now think so.

Then there are surgical issues. Surgery is surgery and always has risks and is only ever done for the owners convenience and is never done at the request of the animal. So if it comes down to rights, how is it a vet can decide this surgery is OK and that is not? Im pretty sure that if my dogs could discuss this, they would be happy to sacrifice a bit of ear or tail in exchange for sex and that their vote would be to retain the ability to reproduce.

In the new way of thinking, it is OK to do surgical sterilization (NOTE: this is a .pdf file) of an animal with all the far reaching impact this may have due to the change in hormones this causes, but its not OK to snip off a length of tail before a pup can feel that surgery, or take off excess ear so that the ear can stand as is normal in dogs (a drop ear is a mutation seen only in tame canines). It is considered reasonable to mention only the positive effects of alter surgery but not to mention the negatives. Now how can it be OK to sexually mutilate a dog without its agreement, but not be OK to prevent tail injury or fix an ear or remove a dewclaw? Do the vets not realize that if they alter the last animals they will be out of work?

I think one of the things the dog fancy perhaps even the AKC should be doing is ensuring the new vets coming along in the world are familiar with the positive side of breeding, and that ethical and responsible breeders not only exist but can be encouraged into existence by a vet with a good attitude towards breeding and the ability to guide a new breeder along the path of becoming a caring responsible breeder. Get them to be an educational resource for breeders rather than a card carrying breeder hating animal rights person. It all starts in their courses in veterinary science and they should be hearing from more than just the animal rights groups on the topics near and dear to us!

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My thoughts
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The point that was made about vets used to come from farm backgrounds seems to be true. I know my vet did. I also know one of the new vets at the clinic (12 vets), seemed to think that spay/neuter should be done at 3 months, but we had a "talk" with her....lol.

I think another interesting point, one that I will bring up....why a spay costs so little, but a C-section is so much. I realize there is a bit more to it, but not with the difference of cost!

But it does appear that we need to try, (AKC, whomever), to try to let our voices also be heard in the vet schools. How can we do that?

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It's true
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NONE of the new vets I hired would even think about doing tail docks, ear crops, de-claws or euthanasias on healthy pets. They just won't. One of the vets I hired who is still at the clinic bad mouths every Bulldog puppy that walks in...including my breedings, and she knows first hand how healthy my dogs are. I don't see this view point changing anytime soon.

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As an elementary teacher....
by Jaime Gerdes
Vets need education about the Bulldog breed in general. It is kind of interesting that when I have taken my bitch in for progesterone testing, I have been made to feel like I am a 17 year old, unwed mother with 5 kids already. Another thing for certain is that my vet starts pushing the spay/neuter procedure at a puppy's first visit. I know there are a lot of different schools of thought out there, but I tell me new puppy owners to wait until the dog is 9-12 months old before doing it.

I have to say that the AKC has a really cool program to show/teach children. I teach first grade, which means 6 and 7 year old children, and I am always talking about how animals shouldn't just "be bred". When my dog has had a litter, they always know about it. I have told them what I do before we breed her to make sure she is healthy. I tell them when puppies die, just days old. I also tell them that when they go to their new homes, I make their new owners KNOW that s/he can never have babies. It is pretty cool how receptive they are. One thing I can count on with kids this age is that they WILL go home and tell their parents everything I say ... Like when I told them, when my job share partner's nine year old retriever got out and got pregnant, "That would be like Mrs. ______ having a baby, and she is too old for that."

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1945
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A TOAST

Hear's to the little dog
Who met a little tree
The tree said "Come on pup
Have one on me".

But the little dog replied
As quiet as a mouse,
"No thank you, little treelet
I just had one on the house."

Thought this was so cute had to share.

Kim

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that's cute. Now if I could ever remember it
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I love it when people have cute "toasts". But, I've never been one to remember them, wish I could.

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Santa Clara Valley Kennel Club shows
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Feb 15th (Sun) and Feb 16th(Mon)...numbers are usually low for Bulldogs...BUT there will be CERF testing available for $35 on Sunday from 9 to 2.

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Is this necessary?
by Jaime Gerdes
Just wondering if we need to CERF every year since the certification is only good for that long?

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I think so
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Or at least every few years. Diseases can pop up in eyes just like any other system. Wouldn't you want to know if something is going wrong with the retinas early on? Plus for 35 bucks, it's little to pay imo for peace of mind.

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Thanks...
by Jaime Gerdes
Just wondering. I suppose we can look at it like a yearly check up... a yearly eye exam. Maybe we will go on a road trip... I have been dying to go to a show... plus that one is special for me .

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Congrats to ALL winners at Palm Springs!!!!!!
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just wanted to congratulate EVERYONE for their awesome wins!!!! Sounds like a great weekend and show...and I only wish I could have been there!!!! Hope you all had safe travels home...and see you at MOTHERLODE????????
I hope so....its gonna be fun!!!

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Any around the ring photos...
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Someone must have had a digital camera......There were some nice dogs at this meet...

Weather was a real estate salesman's dream..(good day to let the hammer fly) LOL

Anyway, photos would be great if anybody has some..

Posted on Jan 5, 2009, 11:02 AM
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Annon vs an actual name....
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When you type a post and then edit it, go back to make a change and then post, it does not include your name. When you edit, back up to make the change, re-enter your name up top before posting to the site or it will list you as "Annon".

I was in no way hiding from AKC or anybody on any post I've made.

While on this, some will say, " is this a way for a judge to act?".

Just so you all know, the Ethics and Sportsmanship Rules of our parent clubs and AKC itself apply to all of us as exhibitors, observers, breeders and judges alike. Not being a judge does not allow anybody to stoop a little as Patti did with her remark made in response to my brag yesterday.

Being a judge means you may be questioned about remarks you make as I was when someone earlier this year posted a private e-mail on Bullyten and mailed a copy to the AKC Judging Department. The posting of the e-mail was a was very bad act on the part of the poster as it violated certain civil rights and broke federal laws pertaining to e-mail privacy. It was posted only to discredit me and to create a smoke screen of their personal problems. AKC saw this as well and closed the matter.
Should you ever be a victim of such behavior, don't take it lightly or at least be careful what you e-mail anybody. There are some snakes out there.. with pretty colors and a smile but are very poisonous..

I wish we all could get along.

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What Patti was referring to, was when I went in to edit your post...network 54 put MY name on your post. I went back in and fixed it. You can't edit your posts on this site...I'm the only one that can.

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And.....one more thing of interest
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Yeah, we all know, I have a special interest in health testing. And, also, because of my job and profession, I am a very statistical and analytical person. So, I've been tracking the OFA and CHIC results, and am very pleased to see with all the discussion and efforts being made to make Health and testing an important part of Bulldogs, we have been doing pretty good. Of course, with all the bulldogs out there being shown and bred, you'd sure like to see more numbers. But just so you can see what has happened in a year, below are some statistics.

1-16-08 1-4-09

Total OFA 400 616

OFA Cardiac 121 208

OFA CERF 54 77

OFA ELBOWS 32 42

OFA HIPS (PASSED) 102 109

OFA PATELLA 42 100

OFA THYROID 30 56

TOTAL CHIC 32 87

Keep spreading the word, encouraging others, supporting health testing. We MUST show that as BCA members, we ARE better, we ARE different, than BYB and internet sites.

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Ooops, don't know why it didn't stay in alignment
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But I hope you can still understand and read the numbers

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Good start
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I think that's great! We will be adding some hip and elbows certs as soon as we have our new guys of age.

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Another meaningful discussion???
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Jessica, I agree with you that I miss Linda's thought provoking discussions, and even with her playing "devils advocate" or strongly disagreeing with someone. I am quite sure Linda would have offered suggestions and ideas on my question below that again, I posted a couple weeks ago, with no takers on it. What a shame that no one can have ideas, thoughts, or discuss this. I know Linda would have had this topic spanning a couple of pages on the board.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

If you were given the opportunity to be involved in writing the local laws, what do you think would be fair?

We all know that we feel we need our rights to own and breed. However, by giving us those full rights, what do we do about the local BYB that pump out puppies all the time with ads in the local paper?

Do you think requirements of showing, and/or belonging to a club or breed organization, etc. would be fair?

Would you go so far to say they must be AKC registered, and not one of the off the wall registries?

Do you think health testing and microchipping your dogs and puppies before being sold is fair?

A lot of places have a 3 dog maximum, spayed or neutered, or provide a "Breeders Permit" for up to 6 dogs. If you were allowed to change that, what do you think the numbers and requirements should be??

How would you define the difference of a reputable breeder with proper care of the animals vs how some "BYB" have many dogs in crates stacked two or three high? You all know there are some like that, that you would "not approve". So, what are your ideas of what would be fair, what would be right?

I am asking this as we have the opportunity in Las Vegas to help "rewrite" the local county ordinances, with the commission realizing some of the laws are from the 70's and 80's and need updating.

Please help with your ideas and let's discuss this. Perhaps we can create a model for a fair law that could be used elsewhere.

Thanks

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If you were given the opportunity to be involved in writing the local laws, what do you think would be fair?

A) I would really have to give more thought to this before replying

We all know that we feel we need our rights to own and breed. However, by giving us those full rights, what do we do about the local BYB that pump out puppies all the time with ads in the local paper?

A) We have to completely separate ourselves from being associated with them. Draw clear lines...health testing helps set the boundaries of those that are just breeding. So does consistently stepping into the show ring. If you're not investing back into your stock...WHY are you breeding?

Do you think requirements of showing, and/or belonging to a club or breed organization, etc. would be fair?

A) Yes and no. As we've seen club membership can hide some rats too. People that sell to brokers, auction sites and intentionally breed undesireable colors are among the ranks of the BCA.

Would you go so far to say they must be AKC registered, and not one of the off the wall registries?

A) Maybe. The AKC can provide some protection for the good breeders, but they also provide protection for the bad breeders that are making them lots of money. AKC reps are at the auction sites, so AKC is ALSO part of the problem.

Do you think health testing and microchipping your dogs and puppies before being sold is fair?

A) Yes. Aren't we already required to have permanent identification on our puppies BEFORE they leave us?

A lot of places have a 3 dog maximum, spayed or neutered, or provide a "Breeders Permit" for up to 6 dogs. If you were allowed to change that, what do you think the numbers and requirements should be??

A) I don't think it's a numbers game, I think it's an upkeep game. Some people can handle 12 others can't properly upkeep 2.

How would you define the difference of a reputable breeder with proper care of the animals vs how some "BYB" have many dogs in crates stacked two or three high? You all know there are some like that, that you would "not approve". So, what are your ideas of what would be fair, what would be right?

A) Inspections are a great way to start. I think EVERYONE should be inspected before acceptance. One persons ideal of what is correct may be totally different from another. So, some guidelines in place could create a balance.

I am asking this as we have the opportunity in Las Vegas to help "rewrite" the local county ordinances, with the commission realizing some of the laws are from the 70's and 80's and need updating.

A)Good luck

Please help with your ideas and let's discuss this. Perhaps we can create a model for a fair law that could be used elsewhere.

Thanks

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Thanks....... can you give a little more definition on this one?
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How would you define the difference of a reputable breeder with proper care of the animals vs how some "BYB" have many dogs in crates stacked two or three high? You all know there are some like that, that you would "not approve". So, what are your ideas of what would be fair, what would be right?

A) Inspections are a great way to start. I think EVERYONE should be inspected before acceptance. One persons ideal of what is correct may be totally different from another. So, some guidelines in place could create a balance.

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Now, from reading so many of the protests from across the country about permits, breeding permits, etc, and inspections being required, it seems MOST loudly oppose having to have their place "inspected".

As you said, Jessica, "one person's ideal of what is correct may be totally different from another....so some guidelines in place could create a balance". This is where I need ideas, suggestions, something to be able to discuss and work with. We will be having another meeting soon on this. So.....WHAT would be acceptable guidelines? I realize this is a very touchy subject. Yet, if the local politicians are willing to work with us to "define" things, what can we offer back?

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I don't think all animal control units are out to get you or I. We've been inspected from complaints that not surprisingly correlated with me firing people The animal control officer was welcomed in, she was shown our kennel, our yard, our side yard...amything she wanted to see. She made a few suggestions (removing one of the covered "poop buckets" from its current location to another, stuff like that) then closed her report with an "unfounded complaint" She was nice, we were nice...and it was dismissed. I think had I taken the stance of "you're not coming in without a warrant" it would have made her more apt to "find" violations. She looked at our dogs, saw they were clean, well cared for, their yard was clean and feces free...what could she do? What I can say is don't let your dogs bark and bark and bark the other ..is MAKE SURE YOU HAVE LICENSED DOGS. The first thing animal control will get you on is if they haven't been paid their fees!! Our county allows four...we registered 5. They really don't care as long as they get their money. The fact is right now many animal control offices are operating on bare bones...they are low on the totem pole.
I think we have to define it as the counties or animal control themselves define it. Dogs must have access to food, water and shelter at all times. If they need veterinary care, then you MUST provide it. I don't think you can be more specific, but if inspections are involved, then the ones that need to step it up will be notified.

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Thanks Jess, a bit more here
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I agree, I think the Animal Control relations would be good. But that is also one of our problems here, the head of it here is an A##hole. Even the commissioner we are dealing with realizes that and has heard it. One example we were told, and relayed to her was...... when there were the Animal Control Board meetings, a person with a different breed spoke up. When you do, you have to identify yourself, name, address, etc. Well, within a week she had animal control at her place harassing her. So that is why many are afraid to speak up at the "open meetings".

However, you are ok with the "limit". They did away with the licensing in the county here. They just have the fanciers permit and breeders permit that you have to pay for.

So, it goes back now to.....what recommendations on number of dogs. How do you define that, for instance, if one has 10 dogs, having full runs, etc. would be impossible in 90% of the places, as they are in residential areas. We have pointed out that the number is not the problem, many can have 10 or more, and they are all cared for, whereas some of our "worse" rescues come from where they might have been the only dog, or just a couple. We have convinced the commissioner we are working with that the current "numbers limit" are not good. But then, her reply back is, "what is"... and how do you define it, what's required, to show a "good" breeder from a poor one?

I am not trying to "cause trouble" with all these questions. But they are honest questions we are dealing with. These are questions and issues that are part of local laws, and if we are having the opportunity to help change them, then we need to DEFINE what the changes are. That is sincerely why I am hoping and appreciating discussions on this.

You say you have 5 dogs. What if you were to help and have a few rescues there? Now you are really over the limit? Again, I guess it depends on your local animal control..but if they are bing little Hitler's, then, HOW do we define any changes in the wording of the ordinances?

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Meaningful discussions??
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Below is a post I made a week or two ago, that I thought would be of interest to those that urge fighting various MSN laws. No one had a comment, nor emailed me asking for a copy of it. To me...... since the PIJAC was "quoting" this Cornell study in opposing a local law that would limit/ban dog sales in pet shops, I thought it was important to check it out. I called Cornell University, and got a copy of the report sent to me... which DOES NOT back what this political quote from the Pet industry tried saying.

Again, any comments, and if someone wants a copy, just ask.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I see posts all the time about "heads up" on voicing your concern/opposition to pending local laws regarding breeding or MSN. I posted down below asking your input in what you think SHOULD be fair laws to support, but unfortunately, no one wants to speak up.

Last week Ward posted a legislature update, and there was one link to a pending law in New Mexico. If anyone reads these things, you would notice that the PIJAC (Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council) was voicing their opinion in New Mexico, urging their members to also, in that "a study by Cornell University showed puppies purchased from pet shops (USDA/puppy millers) were healthier than those obtained elsewhere. Does that sound right???

Well, I called Cornell, and requested a copy of this study. I just received it today. Interesting in that it is from 1994, and supported by a grant from the Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council. Needless to say, I would be willing to guarantee the results would be much different if done now, as the number of pet shops and internet sites has increased explosively since 1994. I have not yet had time to totally review it and the various "findings and statistics", but from quickly reviewing it, there is a lot of discrepancies. Of course, the PIJAC is using the information that benefits THEM in these cases.

If we are to really be successful in fighting unfair laws, we must be proactive, and also be willing to work with and submit our proposals. That is what I asked of you in my previous post.

If anyone is interested in a copy of this Cornell study, please email me and I will send it to you. I have scanned it as a pdf file. If someone knows how to post a link to a pdf file, that would be nice.

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Good sportsmanship question. Rate this comment...
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Sould this comment be made following a post by owners / breeder's excited about their progeny doing well in the ring on a big bulldog weekend?

Think about this. Your baby won big or a grand-daughter of a bitch you raised at home produces a bulldog that goes WB three days in a row on a big weekend and then you read the following post on Bullyten. It's a crude remark following your proud brag.

I quote this poster: " Please, don't break your arm always patting yourself on the back."

So, on a 1 tp 10 score, 1 being lowest, 10 be the highest for good sportsmanship. Does this portrait good sportmanship? Would you be offended if it was posted after your win brag post on Bullyten, all done as others congratulate you?

This should be interesteing and it does directly affect you......

You brag and you're patting your own backside???? Personally, I disagree.

Put me down for a 1 rating.

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The first post was from Marcel, not annon...
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I post our wins and anyone elses in the area as they pop up. I post regardless of wether we win, lose or get a reserve. I think people just like to know. I know Jay will often post the sire and dam of each dog/bitch for each win. Personally I like that as you can keep track of who is producing what that is winning. Most people do not reply to my posts or congratulate us for our wins. I don't care. I am just as happy when a friend wins and will be the first to tell the judge they made a great pick for a winner (if another has beaten mine) that I feel is worthy. It all comes with the territory. We all want what we produce to then be great producers, but face it breeders rarely get credit for wins of a dog/bitch produced by our own stock. Personally, I know what I've produced and that is good enough for me.

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Results and Brags
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Hi Jess,

Yes, it is nice to see results from shows in different areas and also, if possible, whom the sire and dam were that produced those winners. It's especially great to see friends with nice dogs win. I used to always post results of shows that I went to but was once chastised for missing a dog's name here and there so I said forget it. It's been very interesting to sit back and watch the same people that had this problem with me go ahead and then do the same thing, especially when their own dog or bitch did some winning.

It also been interesting to watch these online boards evolve from the beginning when they were really intended as a medium to discuss quality topics and have meaningful discussions about various aspects of the breed to what they are now.

Jay

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I agree
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There are so many times that I miss the discussions that Linda was able to provoke. I try every now and again to start a meaningful thread only to get no replies or watch it get derailed. It's very frustrating!

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You guys are right on the money...
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I see where Bill and dAmy have great post and photos of their bitch that won big this past weekend. Those are on other chat sites that do not tolerate B/S. You'll see these people getting lots of congrat's from the other readers.
Can you imagine someone saying to them to "not break their arm patting themselves on the back?". I don't think so. Those comments seem to be reserved for certain people. The ones making these awful comments are what is described in the bi-laws of the BCA as an illustration of poor sportsmanship. Someday, someone will take them to task for doing this.

Jay said it right as well. Let's share our wins and accomplishments, share what we've discovered while raising this difficult breed and not jumping on someone that's not up on spell check or correct spelling of names. Typos happen but it doesn't take away from a big weekend of wins...

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I noticed that no-one wants to step up and rate the rude remark....
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Not commenting on Patti's remark only allows it it to continue. Hopefully none of you out there will someday be the topic of the day.. Trust me, it'll bother you.

I have a jacket I won at the Las Vegas Bulldog Club in 1998 as a trophy for going BISS with Cool Dude, something we did twice out there under Nancy Harrison and Darlene Studeman. Jacket has embroidered on the back "I Won BOB L.V.B.C.".
So, if myself or my wife wear this jacket, we're in the process of breaking our arm patting our own back? If so, as Patti said I was doing yesterday with my brag on Bullyten, why did the Vegas club offer this trophy?

As you see, her remark yesterday deserves a rating of one, whether it was about me, my dog or yours when it wins. It wasn't cool..........

We all need to ignore this practice and be happy for each others wins and great pups that occasionally come our ways.

Happy New Year's...

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last post was me...
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I just noticed that when you edit a post, you have to re-enter your name on the post before posting it...

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I'm sorry if you think I was rude. It wasn't meant to be. It was just "fact". The only time you post here is for YOUR brag, in whichever way it is. You don't take part of other discussions.

As I have already answered you below, YOU were the one that made the original post, not fully identifying Amy's bitch, but rather, that she is out of a bitch you bred, etc, etc... Nothing was said about that. That is nice to see things come down your line do well. But you know, it takes two to tango. A comment was then made about she looked a lot like Edwards line "type". Yes, the subject then changed to who the sire was, and that he did come down from Edwards. A proper "pat on the back" to Kim for recognizing "type and lines".

YOU then counter back in your normal, ugly way, of attacking why the subject went to other dogs, and not giving credit to the nice bitch that won. THEN I said about "patting yourself on the back", as THAT was what your original post was, but you did not care for the same discussion on going back on the line of the sire.

As usual, you read what you want to read, interpret it how you want, then start throwing personal attacks with your usual style.

Get OVER IT.

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????????
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We're all breaking our arm patting ourselves on the back, right?

I saw what kind things you posted on other sites, in regards to the win I originally bragged about. You have a problem doing this because I posted it? Seems like that.

Tell you what, you leave my posts alone and I'll not respond to anything you have to say about them. Should be easy as I never drop in on yours. I also post other than brags and you've hopped in on those as well. Just stay home when I take a second to share anything...

Gotta go, I have a test in the morning....

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Same win, two comments from one poster.....
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These are two comments made in regards to a big weekend win. First one was done a few hours after I posted the brag. Second comment was lifted from Best of Bulldogs, a day later and made by the same person leaving the first nasty post.

See the differnce? This was by the same person, difference was who the comment was directed at.

Purest form of bad sportsmanship directed at one person. Check it out....

This may
be a dual personality thing.....I don't know but this seems to continue and follow me for reasons unknown to me.

Post #1 on Bullyten in response to one of my girl's offspring winning big:

" Marcel, Please, don't break your arm always patting yourself on the back. We are ALL happy for Amy and Bill.""

Post #2 on Best of Bulldogs by the poster of the previous post on Bullyten about the same win:

"WOW.... have your feet hit the ground yet?
by Patti (Login merktj)

Congratulations.... Congratulations.... Congratulations!!!
What a week end. I am so happy for you two. You know I've always liked your girl!"

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last post was mine....
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*** SOoTHiN' Da SaVaGE BEaStiE! ***
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Nothin' like pickin' a few tunes to SOoTH a BEaStiE!...'Specially when it's Dad who's doin' da pickin'!

Makes ya wanna grab yer sweetie an' SwOoN!

Be sure to stop by & watch my America's Funniest Video today & gimme your FiVE SMiLeY vote while yer at it!...It's MuSaK tO mY EaRs!

...All together now, One, Two, ThReE...VoTE!!!

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Carmela Bill Amy Ortiz- WB three days in a row in Palm Springs....WOW!!!
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This Palm Springs winner's bitch (3 days in a row, breeder judges)is out a dam that was bred by us at DK Bulldogs. She's also a Ch Hobtop Picalo grand-daughter.

Big congrat's to the owners Bill and Amy Ortiz for their efforts and patience with this girl.

Breeder is Michelle Muse from the Los Angeles area...

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Beautiful girl!
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Wow...great job! Congrats to all!

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Camela
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I saw Camela at PCBC I told her I really liked her wish we could of made Palm Springs how great 3 majors in a row beyond fantastic we are so happy for them they are such a nice couple. Huge congrats to Michelle Muse how proud she must be!

You know when I saw her I did not know pedigree but she remined me of the old Edwards dogs that Buford went back to.

Kim

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She is
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a Nico daughter out of Jeff and Lottie Elliotts beautiful boy. Loved him!

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Which, I believe, does go back to Edwards
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Right Jessica??

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yes her pedigree does go back to Edwards
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Carme is out of Michelle Muse's bitch who she got from Marcel...Dk's stuff and Sire is NICO...

I love Carms Jaw....just amazing for such a young girl. Carm will be 2 in Feb. She has just now came into herself and I am so proud of my friends Bill and Amy!

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YUP!!
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You are correct. Lottie and Jeff have such nice dogs. Was just over at their house last night. I loooooove the new Nico boy they have up and coming. Reminds me soooo much of his daddy. Hopefully they will let me help them show him to when I get Gators last major!!!

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Any pictures of him?
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AND.... HURRY and get Gator's major! He's such a nice boy.

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The Winner's Bitch's name is Camela... Nico daughter...
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How did this thread end up being about someone else's dog?

Let's praise the winner for what she is and where she came from. I believe the freshman exhibitors and new breeder would appreciate that.

From the show catalog: Winner's Bitch, 3 days in a row, breeder judges.

UNTOUCHABULLS ORTIZS CARMELA SOPRANO , NP15798202 2/13/2007. Breeder: Michelle Muse. By CH Hurricane In The Nic Of Time -- DK's Raising Helen. Bill and Amy Ortiz . Bitch.

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Oh for pete's sake, Marcel..... get a grip on yourself
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I think everyone has said how happy they are for Amy and Bill.

But, to refresh YOUR memory, when you started this post, you threw in a couple other dog's names, including yours.

Kim posted what a beautiful bitch she is, and said she reminded her of the old Edwards line, like her Buford. So we only said that she is out of Nico, which I said, goes back to the Edwards. Thus, Kim has a good eye!

Please, don't break your arm always patting yourself on the back. We are ALL happy for Amy and Bill.

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Nice poster you have here Jessica....
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So Patti, when others are bragging about their dogs, they're breaking their arms patting themselves on the back? You doing the same with your brags and testing accomplishments?

You're a true poor sport...and really have something wrong with you...really.. You better get yourself tested, never mind your dogs.

Hey, someone had to say it.

Good bye you all. I tried fiting in with a small brag about a grand-daughter to my bitch and a decendent of Richard Seeno's dog, Hobtop Piocalo.

Brag all you want and remember what Patti thinks of those that brag...

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Marcel, have you changed your name??
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Is this so someone at AKC wouldn't realize you posted such a remark?? How silly.

Again, you love twisting things. Read what YOU wrote again...read my response. Very simple. I am very happy for Amy and Bill. But you were upset when the thread went to a "relative" of the dog, and you said it was ONLY about the dog that won....even if you want to throw other names in.

Marcel, you don't seem to follow AKC's programs and support on health testing. Why??

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When I went and edited the title of his post it inserted my name into the name slot...not sure why

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When you hear me say"I don't support testing", you can say I said it....
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I support it all the way. I'm just not allowing myself to be put under the microscope by the likes of you.

Tell me something. What testing credentials do the top 15 bulldogs in the US have on them? How many of these top breeders are following your lead?

Don't post B/S, e-mail them and ask. Then tell us what you found out. If some do not have testing done, you can straighten them out.

FYI: I have x-rays of Cool Dude's mom and forward on many of my important dogs in my breeding program. That's why I don't have many of the problems others can have. I just don't report it to you, as you'd only twist it as you did with your rude remark about the win brag I posted. You now even came back suggesting I don't test.

You're wrong again..... I also wonder why you always post negatively when you see me post... You have a sweet tooth for others as well or am I your only project? I'd also like to know what people learn from you when you do this. Had I posted a rude remark after say, Jessica's wins, you'd all come down on me and I'd deserve it. You seem teflon on this site where actually, your really are just a flea on the elephant as we all are.

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Marcel, you don't have to report a darn thing to me.

If you have read up on all the information that is put out by AKC and BCA, you would understand that it is for ALL bulldoggers, and for the future of our breed.

There is so much legislation going on being supported by AR groups. How are WE to to be different, to show that we are reputable breeders, that health IS important to us??

Why is it important to spend thousands of dollars to put that "CH" in front of a dog's name, so when it is bred, looking at a pedigree down the road, one can see who earned a "CH"???? Because it helps guide us in making proper breeding choices. Same thing for doing health testing, and having it be part of the OFA database. As more and more are participating, it will be so nice, say five years down the road, to be able to study a pedigree or line, and know that there were a lot of HEALTHY dogs too. Anyone can say anything, but I guess, just like having a champion, proof is when you get that certificate from AKC!!

At a minimum, to at least obtain your CHIC certificate on all breeding and showing stock should almost be mandatory. That is only for cardiac and patella. Probably the easiest to breed out the problems and have a good sound dog. Not all puppies from champion breeding ends up in a ring. Most end up as pets. Patella surgery is very expensive, painful, etc. Why not breed to eliminate it? Why not have the information in a databse for others to know for making decisions? Just because a dog is a champion, or even ranked, doesn't mean they have good patellas. I'm sure you know that, and have seen enough for yourself to have to agree with me on that.

So, make whatever statements you want, whatever excuses you want. But you DON'T have to resort to lowering yourself by always putting in persaonl attacks on a subject.

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Please have any discussion but do not expect to come here with name calling and have your message left unedited. Let's be mature.

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Happy New Year Cheryl! n/m
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Cheryl...That first photo is priceless... Happy New Year!
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Thanks Brian!
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Just happened to catch it as it happened. It's been so cute to see Gabe's mammoth head gently checking out his little sibs

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Happy New Year Shelly! n/m
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