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BCNC Breeder's Match by

The annual Breeder's Match will be held on Sunday July 13th, 2008 at 9 am. It will be held at the Pet Food Express headquarters located at 2131 Williams St in San Leandro. Loretta Mikesell is the match chair. For everyone in the area...Loretta has dedicated a lot of time in the past building majors...it's time to pay her back and support her with your entry! Match judge is Steve Pelovsky. After the match will be the annual picnic, with contests and games. If your last name begins with A-M please bring a salad, if it begins with N-Z please bring a desert. Remember it will likely be hot so bring water, shade and cool coats. See you there!

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Flyer.....

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Entry info/flyer....

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Thx Shelly! by

I'm scanner impared.. lol

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LOL.....Your Welcome!!

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I wish I could...

by Jaime Gerdes

as you know, we are three days too little. BUMMER!

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lol by

3 days under with one and 2 mo over with the other...it's not your year!

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Oral Ivermectin by

Just a heads up for those that use oral Ivermectin (Promectin-E, etc) it is on indefinite manufacturer backorder. So it probably won't be around for 6 months or so. I think the rescue crews that use this to treat demodex will be the hardest hit. There will only be three alternatives...mitaban, tactic dip (generic mitaban) and injectable Ivermectin.

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Does that include the Ivomec? by

that is used for cattle?

I know it's injectable but given oral?

Vicky,
Bosco, Bella, Breve' & Holly

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I believe so n/m by

n/m

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EntirelyPets....

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I checked and it was still available in the oral. Didnt actualy order it, but it comes up on their site and you can add it to your shopping cart.

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Link....

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http://www.entirelypets.com/iv1forcat50m.html?__utma=1.564951755.1215028324.1215028324.1215028324.1&__utmb=1&__utmc=1&__utmx=-&__utmz=1.1215028324.1.1.utmccn%3D(referral)%7Cutmcsr%3Dentirelypets.com%7Cutmcct%3D%2F%7Cutmcmd%3Dreferral&__utmv=-&__utmk=61231661

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Yeah but by

They will then send you an email after you've paid saying it's out of stock...that's how I found out it's backordered

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our grain store has it on the shelf by

if you have one close and think you will need it go and buy some. The shelf life is like 2yrs

:D

Vicky,
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We don't by

but that sure is an advantage to living where there are large animals around With an indefinite back order they will likely run out before they can get more. Vet clinics etc in the area will get it from them too. I don't need any but I know rescues usually do.

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if they need some, i can pick up and bring to the by

OSBC show or the BCGS show, just let me know

Vicky,
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PHOTOS ARE PROPERTY OF LANGAGER BULLDOGS, YOU MUST HAVE WRITTEN PERMISSION FOR ANY USE OF THESE PHOTOS FROM LANGAGERBULLDOG.


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Well shoot!!

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Sorry.

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A couple of SureShot brags from this weekend.... by

This weekend at the Dayton Kennel Club Cluster, I showed my boy SureShot White Lightning, aka Gator, and won WD/BOS on Friday for his first point, then on Sunday Gator won RWD, and today won the points WD/BW.

This is his 3rd weekend out, and I have been so pleased with how he is coming along....at his first show (Cincinnati Specialtys) he won Best Puppy both days (Nancy Harrison, and Jean Hetherington), and RWD to a major under Mrs.Jean Hetherington.

Also another noteworthy brag.....I finished another Champion , a half sister to my Ch. SureShot Only Nautica (although, not mine and all but 4 points) ..that I also had won with at the Cincinnati Specialties.I had only shown this bitch two weekends for her owner.

Boo’s Only Wears Prada Of Kaloo, owned by A. & D. Nagy, Barbara Scully

on Saturday at the same cluster won WB/BW/BOS (major broke by 1 bitch)

And Sunday won WB/BW/BOS finishing her! This also put her sire Ch. Only Ralph Lauren in the hall of fame. So congrats to Barb on her nice bitch, and Cathy on the HOF induction.

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Way to go, Jessica! by

You guys had a great week end. And HURRAY for Chaps. Boss sends his dad a kiss.

By the way, you might be getting some other kisses soon. Did you hear?

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Nice wins by

Congrats!

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Congrats

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on a great weekend!

Scott



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Congrats

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Jessica,

You certainly have had a lot of success lately!!! Congratulations and best wishes for more in the future.

Betsy

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We Lost Dallas...My Thoughts

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The amendments to the Pet Ordinance were passed 10-3 by the members of the Dallas City Council, they have drank the Animal Rights Kool-Aid...
Now what do we do?
Well my thoughts are that we right one more round of letters to the members of the Dallas City Council and let them know that they have once again found a way to lose tax dollars for there already over extended budget, $50 million to be exact!!
Along with losing the Cowboys, the Rangers they now will lose the dollars that we the Dog Fancy would have spent in there city.
I am not, and I want this to be PERFECTLY Clear, suggesting we do not support the clubs based in Dallas by entering and going to those shows.
My suggestion is that we DO NOT SPEND MONEY IN THE DALLAS CITY LIMITS!!! Dont stay at a Dallas Hotel, or eat at a Dallas Restaurant or fill your gas tank at a Dallas Gas Station! The surrounding suburbs have plenty of all of the above to make your stay as, or even more enjoyable.
Just a short and sweet letter stating that they have been added to the ever expanding list of NON Dog friendly cities.
We lost a battle, NOT THE WAR!!!
Thanks to all of you that responded to the call to help stop these bad amendments to an ordinance that was not being enforced in the first place...I am sorry to say you will be called on again!
Ward

Mayor Tom Leppert
Dallas City Hall
1500 Marilla Street, Room 5EN
Dallas, TX 75201-6390
Phone: (214) 670-4054
Fax: (214) 670-0646
Tom.leppert@dallascityhall.com

Mayor Pro Tem Dr. Elba Garcia
Dallas City Hall
1500 Marilla Street, Room 5EN
Dallas, TX 75201-6390
Phone: (214) 670-4052
Fax: (214) 670-3409
Elba.garcia@dallascityhall.com

Councilmember Pauline Medrano
Dallas City Hall
1500 Marilla Street, Room 5FN
Dallas, TX 75201-6390
Phone: (214) 670-4048
Fax: (214) 670-5117
Pauline.medrano@dallascityhall.com

Councilmember David Neumann
Dallas City Hall
1500 Marilla Street, Room 5FS
Dallas, TX 75201-6390
Phone: (214) 670-0776
Fax: (214) 670-1833
David.neumann@dallascityhall.com

Deputy Mayor Pro Tem Dwaine
Caraway
Dallas City Hall
1500 Marilla Street, Room 5EN
Dallas, TX 75201-6390
Phone: (214) 670-0781
Fax: (214) 670-3409
Dwaine.caraway@dallascityhall.com

Councilmember Vonciel Jones Hill
Dallas City Hall
1500 Marilla Street, Room 5FN
Dallas, TX 75201-6390
Phone: (214) 670-0777
Fax: (214) 670-5117
Vonciel.hill@dallascityhall.com

Councilmember Steve Salazar
Dallas City Hall
1500 Marilla Street, Room 5FS
Dallas, TX 75201-6390
Phone: (214) 670-4199
Fax: (214) 670-5115
Steven.salazar@dallascityhall.com

Councilmember Carolyn Davis
Dallas City Hall
1500 Marilla Street, Room 5FS
Dallas, TX 75201-6390
Phone: (214) 670-4689
Fax: (214) 670-5115
Carolyn.davis@dallascityhall.com

Councilmember Tennell Atkins
Dallas City Hall
1500 Marilla Street, Room 5FS
Dallas, TX 75201-6390
Phone: (214) 670-4066
Fax: (214) 670-5115
Tennell.atkins@dallascityhall.com

Councilmember Sheffield Kadane
Dallas City Hall
1500 Marilla Street, Room 5FS
Dallas, TX 75201-6390
Phone: (214) 670-4069
Fax: (214) 670-5115
sheffield.kadane@dallascityhall.com

Councilmember Jerry Allen
Dallas City Hall
1500 Marilla Street, Room 5FS
Dallas, TX 75201-6390
Phone: (214) 670-4068
Fax: (214) 670-1843
Jerry.allen@dallascityhall.com

Councilmember Linda Koop
Dallas City Hall
1500 Marilla Street, Room 5FN
Dallas, TX 75201-6390
Phone: (214) 670-7817
Fax: (214) 670-5117
Debra.brown@dallascityhall.com

Councilmember Ron Natinsky
Dallas City Hall
1500 Marilla Street, Room 5FN
Dallas, TX 75201-6390
Phone: (214) 670-4067
Fax: (214) 670-5117
District12@dallascityhall.com

Councilmember Mitchell Rasansky
Dallas City Hall
1500 Marilla Street, Room 5FN
Dallas, TX 75201-6390
Phone: (214) 670-3816
Fax: (214) 670-5117
Mitchell.rasansky@dallascityhall.com

Councilmember Angela Hunt
Dallas City Hall
1500 Marilla Street, Room 5FN
Dallas, TX 75201-6390
Phone: (214) 670-5415
Fax: (214) 670-5117
Angela.hunt@dallascityhall.com




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Gabe is in the lead!

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He now has over 25,000 views and is stretching his lead, even though a couple of the top dogs have been trying hard to catch up (the next nearest has under 19,000). Four more days of voting will decide which four become the finalists for our category...then a few days' break and The Big Battle begins for Worldwide Fido! Thanks for all your faithful (& fanatical ) support!




Here's the link--apparently it is unlimited voting, so you can vote as often as you like (some people are quite obsessed with this ):

http://www.worldwidefido.com/watch/4918/gabe-the-bulldog


Thanks everyone!




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Voted again...go Gabe n/m by

n/m

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voted again

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and again and again and again!

Scott

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When you write in opposition to AB1634

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Please remember that e-mails may not be counted

You should also write

FAX

and call

Addresses are provided and YES letters should be sent to ALL 13 Appropriations members.

We have a decent/good chance of killing this in Committee

stress COST of the bill in lost revenue due to licensing compliance etc...

if you use the NAIA capwiz tool. Don't just e-mail. You should also print it out to fax and also mail. The cost of even 13 stamps is still less than the cost one entry, or a Starbucks grande whatever!

And plan on going to the Capitol when the committee considers this bill later in the Summer. Call in sick, grab your mom or a friend, whatever it takes we need more people to show up!!

Thanks, Jen

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Butterfly new CH Photo

by kelly white

This just came today and I am very happy it came out well.. I cannot tell you how many bad CH Photos I have..Finally a good one..!


I know I have posted alot of photos lately but I am just so proud of Miss Butterfly..She finished so easily and I was able to do it myself..

Kelly




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Congratulations, Kelly... by

Great photo!

Cathy Miller
http://www.marshillbulldogs.com


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Re: Butterfly new CH Photo

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Kelly and butterfly, Why to go. You both look so HAPPY. Thomas and Elsa.

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Cute! by

She looks so cute and you really look happy Kel! Way to go!

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Congrats on a job well done

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and you did it yourself!

Congrats
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Congrats and Great Pic!!! n/m

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another MSN Poll

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http://www.nbc5i.com/news/index.html
please vote against

Kelly

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voted

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nm

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I voted by

Nice to see that the no's are quite a bit ahead

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please use this tool to print and send a NEW AB1634 letter TODAY. EASY

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This bill COULD be heard Monday, we don't yet know so no time like the present!


http://capwiz.com/naiatrust/mailapp/

go to the above site, click on "print letter"

click and paste then personalize it

click "send now" at the bottom of page

Print then fax to the following

AFTER printing, go back and e-mail it too


SENATE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE:





Senator Tom Torlakson (Chair)

State Capitol, Room 5050

Sacramento, CA 95814

Phone: 916-651-4007

Fax: 916-445-2527



Senator Dave Cox (Vice Chair)

State Capitol, Room 2068

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Phone: 916-651-4001

Fax: 916-324-2680



Senator Samuel Aanestad

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Sacramento, CA 95814

Phone: 916-651-4004

Fax: 916-445-7750



Senator Roy Ashburn.

State Capitol, Room 3060

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Phone: 916-651-4018

Fax: 916-322-3304



Senator Gilbert Cedillo

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Phone: 916-651-4022

Fax: 916-327-8817



Senator Ellen Corbett

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Phone: 916-651-4010

Fax: 916-327-2433



Senator Robert Dutton

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Senator Dean Florez

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Senator Sheila Kuehl

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Senator Jenny Oropeza

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Senator Mark Ridley-Thomas

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Senator George Runner

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Phone: 916-651-4017

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Senator Joe Simitian

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Phone: 916-651-4011

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Senator Mark Wyland

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Senator Leland Yee

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Jen by

I looked for the link but got an error message stating alert id or recipient id not passed in red?? Don't see print letter anywhere...

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The link on Best of Bulldogs works by

This has been made really easy to complete, please follow through!

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CORRECTED LINK

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http://capwiz.com/naiatrust/issues/alert/?alertid=11544101&queueid=[capwiz:queue_id]



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That took me less than 5 minutes!

by Jaime Gerdes

Really that could not have been easier. I guess it will take me another two to write out the envelope, but it was hardly time consuming.

Thank you Jen for keeping us informed.

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this is quick and easy

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5 min. max

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Hey No Cal Bulldoggers! by

If you are working on health testing and or CHIC...there will be a CERF clinic at the Mensona Kennel Club on Saturday August 16 from 9 am to 3 pm in Santa Rosa. Maybe we can get some majors and get a lot of Bulldogs CERF'ed too

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Great idea....

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And its FOUR days of shows!!

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The babysitter will go...

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I need to get Holly checked out. If her handler is DEAD tired from helping his wife with their two week old baby and 13 and a half old son, it should not be a problem.

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Yeah by

I was hoping you would want to go so we can get Truffles and Holly checked. I like the 13 and a half old son thought...not quite yet though. You must be stuck on 13 hours at Disneyland!! lol

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When he is

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13, you can keep him. LOL. I will have my own issues at that point with a 21 year old daughter and 19 year old son. LOL.

I think I have recovered from our day at the happiest place on earth sporting event. LOL.

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Or, if you'll be in WA for the BCGS specialties on Aug 12-14... by

There is a CERF clinic at the Olympic Kennel Club shows that same weekend (Aug 16-17) in Enumclaw. Should be Bulldog majors there, too.

BCGS was hoping to offer a CHIC (cardiac & patella) clinic along with DNA & microchipping at this year's specialties, but we couldn't get it coordinated quickly enough to get into the premium list. So, we're going to focus on next year instead.

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Thanks Melanie! by

I think we should all make an effort to post when health screenings will be at the show sites since it's SO much cheaper to have it done that way!

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Moblie Service......

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Dr. Popkin has a mobile service now. I have used him for a few of my test while at a show.
Here is the link......

http://www.showdogmed.com/

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Interesting by

Thanks for the link Shelly!

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There are a lot of options

by Jaime Gerdes

The fact that he will be available at our specialty is great. Imagine if all of his time were taken up by Bulldoggers.

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CHIC

by Jaime Gerdes

So, for Bulldogs, the only two tests Bulldogs have to pass is Luxating Patellas and Cardiac?

Are OFA and CHIC related, or are the two different registries?

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Different registries...link to CHIC.....

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http://www.caninehealthinfo.org/

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Or maybe not....

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I see the CHIC site if directly linked to OFA.

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OFA feeds to CHIC by

Once your dog is certified with OFA, it automatically feeds the results to CHIC and your dog will be certified with them as well.

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How long does it take to get the CHIC number by

after you're in the OFA database?

Cathy Miller
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Cathy....

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I received mine in about 3 wks after my OFA certifs.

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I believe he will be at Ventura by

Good opportunity for a lot of Bulldoggers to get some of the health testing done there.

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Shows and dates.............

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http://www.showdogmed.com/bvs.shows.html

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Dealer's BOB Picture

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Dealer took Best of Breed at the Tacoma Kennel Club in Puyallup, WA on Satuday, June 8th, 2008. We are very proud of him!



CH. Toppers Validus Doubling Down
Sire- CH. Legacy Take Me To The Copa
Dam- Winters Sweet Aspen
Breeders- Linda and Chris Borden

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Ryan by

Looks like that boy has grown up and filled out! Congrats on the win!

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Congrats guys

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Nice picture. Thanks for sharing.

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“When there is freedom from mechanical conditioning, there is simplicity. The classical man is just a bundle of routine, ideas and tradition. If you follow the classical pattern, you are understanding the routine, the tradition, the shadow - you are not understanding yourself.”


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Congratulations

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WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM! PLEASE READ

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Your dog being intact, even if you have a license, is a criminal act in California according to Levine. So If someone complains that your dog was loose, they don't have to prove that part was true, your dogs balls or uterus is a crime and you will be sited, no protection, no appeal.

From www.saveourdogs.net

The New AB 1634 passes out of Local Government 3 to 2

The New AB 1634 criminalizes being unaltered according to Levine. Levine says dog shall be cited for being unaltered if subject to complaint. He is trying to say being unaltered is a crime that is punished only on complaint. "If an animal control officer determines animal is not spayed or neutered they can cite for that as well." This is a direct quote from Levine. He repeatedly says there is no requirement that the initial complaint be true or proven, only that the dog be unaltered. Being unaltered is a separate complaint.
Senators Harmon and Cox hit on the "shall cite" due process problem in the initial complaint and Levine agrees to change "shall" to "may". No one points out that he is asserting that being intact is a violation. Cox and Harmon vote No. Our thanks to them for seeing through Levine's smoke screen.
If this bill means what Levine says it means, then it must die.


Anyone who felt that this bill was somehow more fair than it's original version was mistaken. We MUST kill this thing. Please be ready to WRITE and FIGHT

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and this...

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Levine says being unaltered is a separate complaint. No requirement
that initial complaint be true or proven before citing for dog being
unaltered.

He compares to seatbelt law. But not wearing a seatbelt is an
offense. Levine intends that this bill make being unaltered an
offense.

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More info later, for now, be ready to write your senator and raise HELL

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Thanks Jen by

Thanks for the update!

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This Levine guy sucks

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Thanks

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Check it out

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Still a work in progress but go take a peek
www.gaitawayphoto.photoreflect.com

I will be posting show photo's as well as candids. By the time nationals comes around after the shows are over the photo's will be posted in raw (hopefully) day of show. So go take a peek and bookmark the site. Tell your friends too...:)They may have been CAPTURED in the RING.



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Nice Site by

Very well done Sandra.

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Great site

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Looks good, Sandra

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Great site!

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That is set up nicely. It is a nice play to go and look at dogs too.

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Remember, we were all newbies once, Aim High!! by

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Last Day Results From Montana

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Five Valley Kennel Club
Tuesday, June 24th, 2008
Missoula, Montana
Bulldog Entry - 50: 19-26-4-1
Judge: Mr. John T. Connolly
BB -
Ch. Sir Oliver Of Camelot
Adrian & Michelle Quesada
WD, BW (major) -
Whitehills Frosted Flake
I don't have the new owner's name.
Agent - Larry Clark
BOS -
Ch. Legacy Empress Of The Copa
Kelly Copen & Jay Serion
WB (major) -
Major League Ruby Dooby
Andrea Carpenter
RWD -
Bred-by Dog
RWB -
Magill's Mad Bad Mary
Sherri & Kelvin Graham & Darlene Magill

Congratulations to all the winners on the entire circuit and way to stick this grueling thing out! I can't wait to go home.

Jay

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Thank you!

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Congratulations to all the winners..

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Go get some rest!

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Thanks Jay

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Congrats to everyone

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Dallas the Vote is 6/25/08 - Lets make that Final Push!

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We are almost there and need the final push by your attendance at the Council Meeting on Wednesday, 6/25/08. There is no need for further emails or letters. Some of council are getting slammed with multiple emails from list serves and they are annoyed to say the least and those have not come from us, so that it is good (Blackberries are jammed). Calls, okay.

There is a need to be present and counted tomorrow!! You all have done an amazing job and we are one day away from some resolution. We have made a big difference and they are listening, so I am encouraged that you will get a place at the table that you have earned. This has been a grassroots effort by individuals so you are to be commended.

Please sign up to be a speaker by call the City Secretary (214) 670-3738). You can even read your thoughts. PLEASE attend the meeting. This is extremely important to you as owners and exhibitors. Your rights are at stake. Some of you have a dog show, but if you want to continue to show your dogs unfettered by needless laws, show up. This will not stop in Dallas. Our agenda item will be in the morning.

For Speakers and those Attending the Meeting:

--Dress in business attire. There will be tags given out to wear.
--At all times remain professional and do not engage the other side. Avoid verbal outbursts of any kind.
--Do not bring any signs
--The meeting starts at 9:00 so come early so we can sit together


Suggestions For Speakers:

--Remain positive and avoid negative, venemous comments. Being firm is one thing, being outrageous and polarizing is another thing. Council will be impressed with rational thoughts presented professionally.
--Speak your heart and putting a face on your positions is great, but remember time will be brief (not sure yet how much time will be given because due to the number of speakers the Mayor can decrease time; last week it was 2 minutes, but there are more speakers this week). Be prepared to hit home your points in one minute. There is a chance the Mayor will limit the total amount of time per side. We just have to be flexible, but you can be sure that speaking time will be short.
--Mention how much you care for your dogs/what they mean to you
--If you do not breed say so; if you have spayed/neutered animals say so
--If you are willing to help foster your breed and even a mix once in a while, say so; AND if you can volunteer in other ways like education, helping with adoptions, etc. SAY SO
--Indicate that your voices were not represented by Animal Shelter Commission
--Important to indicate what you want Council to do:

Remove Sec. 7-4.10 (Restrictions on Unsterilized Dogs/Cats) and 7-4.11 (Intact Animal Permits)from consideration but we are all for the Dangerous Dog Laws.
Modify Sec. 7-4.6 (Pet Limits) to allow for an exception for owners who have the space and facilities and have not been a problem. Right now this section is discriminatory because the only people who can have more than the limit are fosters for rescues.

--Since time is short, there is no way you can include all these things, but if we include at least some of them, we will have a more consistent voice.
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Here is the Nutshell of New Revisions (yes, there were a few):


New revisions to the Dallas Ordinances for Council Meeting 6/25/08:

Sec. 7-4.10 Restrictions on Unsterilized Dogs and Cats.

--That is still mandatory spay neuter by another name.
--It still requires msn by six months of age unless someone has a valid intact animal permit
--The other exceptions (vet, sale by pet store, competition dog or cat, service animal) are still the same and are defenses to spay/neuter

Sec. 7-4.11 Intact Animal Permit

--This is still a breeder permit by another name
--Mandatory chipping for all dogs has been done away with, but is still required in this section for getting an Intact Animal Permit
--Still the only way to get one is to:
1. Be a member of a purebred dog/cat club approved by director that has code of ethics for breeding; OR
2. Owner pays for a course on responsible pet ownership offered by City and approved by Director
--Still $70 for each dog annually

Sec. 7-4.12 Microchipping.

--This section was removed so there is no mandatory chipping for all dogs, but there is for dogs to get an Intact Animal Permit.

Sec. 7-4.2 Registration of Dogs and Cats. *************HERE IS THE KICKER!!

--Still $7 for spayed/neutered animals
--Still $30 for unsprayed/unneutered BUT “only an animal described in Sec. 7-4.10(b) may be registered as an unsprayed or unneutered dog or cat.
--That means that the dog/cat must be a competition animal (registered pedigreed dog that competes) OR the owner must have an Intact Animal Permit by being a member of a national club or has taken the course on responsible pet ownership
--That means that every owner must pay $30 + $70 AND $25 for a course if they are not a member of a club. At the very least, owners will pay $100 for each dog annually.
--$100 for club members; $125 for people who are not club members and must take the course
--If someone has an unregistered dog then they must get an Intact Animal Permit for $70 and take a course for $25 and register for $30 = $125.00. This is more than four times what it is currently in an economy that has record gas prices and the cost of living soaring. For club members, it is $100 to register each dog annually which is over a three times increase.
--Registrations are about to decrease dramatically because for everyone who paid $30 last year, it will go up to at least $100 and $125 for some people.

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Question for those who do health cert

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So I checked the BCA site and there's a lot of links. I don't even know where to begin. I've had x rays and things of that nature done but nothing ever certified. I'd like to start health certification here pretty soon. Can anyone familiar with the process break it down for me so I have a clue as to where to start. Can most of these tests/x rays be performed by my regular vet? Keep in mind I'm fully aware that not everything shows up on these tests. Like if a family of dogs has a history for cancer, heart conditions, skin diseases, temperament, etc even though an immediate dog has passed an array of tests. Tests don't replace common sense but common sense tells me I probably want to combine the two.

Question about the trach cert. This is a test for trachea shape and diameter? Will this test reveal things such as elongated palette, enlarged tonsils, sacs etc? Does anyone have the size chart for results?

Also, I think there have been some questions raised about the legitimacy of some of these tests and or the people having them done or the people performing them. Is there some type of microchip or tattoo system in place? I know there are loop holes with everything but I'm just curious.

Anyhow, any tips or advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Scott, you probably will get more info if you go to the OFA site, www.offa.org

You have to print out each separate application from them that you are doing tests on.

Yes, your dog MUST have permanent identification. When you go to your vet to do x-rays, you must have the dog's AKC name, number, and microchip number, so they put it ON the x-ray. On the applications for the cardiac and patella, there is also a place on the applications for that info. A vet is supposed to scan and confirm the number when he fills out the paperwork.

The spine and trachea studies are just studies, until there is enough of a database. However, on the trachea, you will get a response from OFA, the number and "normal" or whatever. I imagine it is a lot like how hips were 25 years ago. They were graded normal or not. Now of course, there is fair, good, excellent. Do get the download from the BCA site to get your $50 refund for the trachea x-ray, that BCA is offering. The number is a two way calculation on the trachea, the diameter..But there is two areas they measure. We have not been give a full explanation of this calculation yet.

The tests you can do now are the hip and elbow x-rays, cardiac and patella, along with the spine and trachea studies. You can also do the CERF and Thyroid.

But as far as other "family" history and diseases, that is where the CHIC DNA repository is going to help. You can ask for and get swabs to send DNA samples, along with filling out the health questionaire. These are then used for private research on various health issues, rather than all the time asking for individual samples.

Hopefully you can get to a vet that does digital x-rays. That way, you can get your own copy of all the x-rays on a CD for your own records. Sure, all hips might not pass OFA, but it is nice to see and know how your dog is, and to be able to show someone if they ask.

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Thanks for all the great info

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I really appreciate it!

Scott

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What's your take on hips? Have you noticed any physical differences in the dogs depending on the hip grades or is this not something easily distinguished by the naked eye? Movement?

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I feel doing hips is important

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What's your take on hips? Have you noticed any physical differences in the dogs depending on the hip grades or is this not something easily distinguished by the naked eye? Movement?
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Most hip problems are not noticeable by the naked eye unless it is really bad hips. The muscle mass of the bulldog usually holds things together pretty good that it would not show on a bulldog like it would for another breed.

However, the difference is, you will then have more arthritis and other health issues as the dog gets older. So to me, that is the point of testing and breeding for good hips.

Although it is harder to get the hips OFA certified, just the fact that you have the x-ray and KNOW how your dog's hips are, to use for your decisions in breeding, is important to me.




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My own personal jury is still out on hips. I suppose in an ideal world we would all have bulldogs with perfect hips. But what seems to be cloudy if the breed ever was bred to have perfect hips. We might be dealing with an issue that is centuries old and embetted with the breed.
We don't know.
What I do know is that some bulldogs have passed with a decent score (fair to good), so I am inclined to think it is not impossible.
What I don't know is how breeding for perfect hips (as you would see in a borxoi) would affect breed type in the long run.
If a dog lives a long life and does not get arthritis before he hits an advanced age, maybe it is not so important to worry so much.
Now, if a dog gets painful arthritis at age 2 (as happens with the large breeds that we commonly think about when we think of HD, IE; German Shepherds) then yes, we would need to do something.. hopefully we would have done something.
I persoanlly have watched many older bulldogs walk with no limping. It has not been an issue for me personally to watch young dogs suffer from hind end lameness and in watching champion classes, where many of the dogs are 3-5 years old and still moving well, I am inclined to believe that somehow, even if the breed does have HD, it is not causing the crippling arthritis that it does in other breeds.
To those that test, great! But I am not sure (and this is after talking to vets too) that it needs to be our main focus at this point in time. Vets I have talked to are much more interested in solving or at the very least, helping the eye, skin, breathing, knee problems that are causing so much misery in even young dogs.
I am not lookiung to debate this. This is the stand I have come to after many years of thinking about it.
I am not saying my stand is correct either. I know there are many sides. I would like to think that each person discusses this with many peope and their vet before reaching a conclusion.
It is my stand that anything we do to improve their lives is important. I don't want anyone to think or interpret that I am saying to sweep this issue under the carpet.
All I am saying is my jury is still out.
Elizabeth
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But I do want to add to your thoughts, Elizabeth.

I think a breeder should have x-rays of their dogs hips, trachea and spine, for their own knowledge, judgement in breeding, and to share the information. And, if we can grow the database with Bulldogs that DO pass OFA, all the better.

However, I have seen many, many hip x-rays going back 30 years, to Cal Riggs and Dave Williams (both who encouraged it and got me started on it). Sure, the majority of hip x-rays I've seen over the years, when someone said their vet said their dog was dysplastic, was that really, they were pretty good for bulldogs, average, etc. But also, in the same way, I HAVE seen many x-rays where they were terrible.

So, if we are trying to better the breed, better the health, create a health database that will help years down the road, and to make us, as BCA members stand out as concerned breeders compared to BYB and internet millers, I think it is just as important as the other health testing.

Elizabeth, I hope you can answer a different health question for me. I've asked it many times, and recently again when a breeder sent me some data thy had gathered regarding CERF. However, they didn't respond to my further questions.

Really, how effective is CERF testing? To be valid, it must be renewed yearly. So, a year old stud passes his CERF. And thru his campaigning over the next few years, becomes a popular stud and sires many pups. Then IF he was tested again at 4 or 5 years of age, issues show up......how did it help prevent the problems from being passed on to his get and now into the 2nd or 3rd generation? I realize if there is a problem initially, it will be discovered and then breeding decisions can be made then. But, how many Bulldogs with a CERF, have it renewed yearly? Yet it is required to be valid.

So, I guess we all have to decide what health testing is important. For my money, I think my doing the x-rays helps in producing a more sound bulldog than the benefits of CERF.

I'm open to learn, and discuss this. But no one seems to answer me on it.

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"I think a breeder should have x-rays of their dogs hips, trachea and spine, for their own knowledge, judgement in breeding, and to share the information. And, if we can grow the database with Bulldogs that DO pass OFA, all the better".

That would be nice for sure.

"However, I have seen many, many hip x-rays going back 30 years, to Cal Riggs and Dave Williams (both who encouraged it and got me started on it)."

How many is "many many"? Just to get a perspective.

"Sure, the majority of hip x-rays I've seen over the years, when someone said their vet said their dog was dysplastic, was that really, they were pretty good for bulldogs, average, etc. But also, in the same way, I HAVE seen many x-rays where they were terrible".

I think that could be said of many dogs of many breeds. I will stand firm in my opinion that there likely has not been nearly enough bulldog hip x rays done to make any determination at all, other than anectdotal of what is an "average" hip score. Might be that many bulldogs actually HAVE good hips.

"So, if we are trying to better the breed, better the health, create a health database that will help years down the road, and to make us, as BCA members stand out as concerned breeders compared to BYB and internet millers, I think it is just as important as the other health testing."

As I said, the more the merrier, but at this point, I think it needs to left up to the breeders.
I persoanlly have been encouraged by the amount of people who have decided to test, but am realistic enough to know that it will take along time, if at all, for all breeers to get on board.


"Really, how effective is CERF testing?"

Very, an opthamologists can tell if the dog has a whole host of eye diseases.

"To be valid, it must be renewed yearly. So, a year old stud passes his CERF. And thru his campaigning over the next few years, becomes a popular stud and sires many pups. Then IF he was tested again at 4 or 5 years of age, issues show up......how did it help prevent the problems from being passed on to his get and now into the 2nd or 3rd generation? I realize if there is a problem initially, it will be discovered and then breeding decisions can be made then. But, how many Bulldogs with a CERF, have it renewed yearly?"

I have not followed the CERF results to know. I have had a few of my dogs done, one or two repeats, but no, I don't follow up with it yearly, mainly because once again, we don't have the type of eye diseases that require that sort of follow up (and hopefully never will).. but an initial exam does no harm and can be quite informative.

"So, I guess we all have to decide what health testing is important. For my money, I think my doing the x-rays helps in producing a more sound bulldog than the benefits of CERF."

Hopefully we won't find that some popular sire somewhere down the road doesn't come up a carrier for PRA either (or any of the other heritable eye diseases). Talk about devastating to the breed. Bulldogs are among the few who do not have this problem in a large group, but it doesn't take much to get it started. I personally like an opthamologist to examine all aspects of my dog's eye anatomies. I think that a dog with chronic eye irritation leads just as miserable a life as one who is arthritic, not to mention I don't want to deal with any eye disease. The clinics are easy to find and not expensive, so why not?
In a perfect world, bulldogs would feel no pain caused by uncaring breeders, but please don't knock or discount CERF until you spend time with Collie, Irish Setter, Poodle, miniature Schnauzer people (the list goes on) whose breeds have been badly affected by hereditary eye diesease and know what it is like to HAVE to CERF their dogs every year.

"I'm open to learn, and discuss this. But no one seems to answer me on it".

Here is some reading material.
http://www.vmdb.org/dec98.html#dx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_retinal_atrophy



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"However, I have seen many, many hip x-rays going back 30 years, to Cal Riggs and Dave Williams (both who encouraged it and got me started on it)."

How many is "many many"? Just to get a perspective.
>>>> As a wild guess, probably around 100 x-rays.

"Sure, the majority of hip x-rays I've seen over the years, when someone said their vet said their dog was dysplastic, was that really, they were pretty good for bulldogs, average, etc. But also, in the same way, I HAVE seen many x-rays where they were terrible".

I think that could be said of many dogs of many breeds. I will stand firm in my opinion that there likely has not been nearly enough bulldog hip x rays done to make any determination at all, other than anectdotal of what is an "average" hip score. Might be that many bulldogs actually HAVE good hips.

>>>> I do believe it is a basic knowledge of orthopaedics that is a deciding fact in how joints should be. Right is right, wrong is wrong. But, granted, a Bulldog with hips that would not pass OFA, can still be in the upper percentile of the overall total. That would be the goal to be shooting for. The reason that mildly dysplastic does not usually present a serious health problem with Bulldogs is because of the muscule mass that Bulldogs have, that other breeds don't. But that doesn't mean that arthritis will still trouble the dog as it ages, more so, than a Bulldog with good hips.


"So, if we are trying to better the breed, better the health, create a health database that will help years down the road, and to make us, as BCA members stand out as concerned breeders compared to BYB and internet millers, I think it is just as important as the other health testing."

As I said, the more the merrier, but at this point, I think it needs to left up to the breeders.
I persoanlly have been encouraged by the amount of people who have decided to test, but am realistic enough to know that it will take along time, if at all, for all breeers to get on board.


"Really, how effective is CERF testing?"

Very, an opthamologists can tell if the dog has a whole host of eye diseases.

"To be valid, it must be renewed yearly. So, a year old stud passes his CERF. And thru his campaigning over the next few years, becomes a popular stud and sires many pups. Then IF he was tested again at 4 or 5 years of age, issues show up......how did it help prevent the problems from being passed on to his get and now into the 2nd or 3rd generation? I realize if there is a problem initially, it will be discovered and then breeding decisions can be made then. But, how many Bulldogs with a CERF, have it renewed yearly?"

I have not followed the CERF results to know. I have had a few of my dogs done, one or two repeats, but no, I don't follow up with it yearly, mainly because once again, we don't have the type of eye diseases that require that sort of follow up (and hopefully never will).. but an initial exam does no harm and can be quite informative.

>>>"we don't have the type of eye diseases that require that sort of follow up " - EXACTLY.... So really the only thing that might be detected would be something like entropia. However, a bulldog at one year can very easily have no problem, but by 2-3, with the final growth of the head, then have some entropia problem. I guess if I want a "snapshot" of just at that time, the test would be ok. But I still feel it is misleading in that we DON'T have the diseases of the eye such as collies, and what Bulldog problems are something that can come up a year or two later.

"So, I guess we all have to decide what health testing is important. For my money, I think my doing the x-rays helps in producing a more sound bulldog than the benefits of CERF."

Hopefully we won't find that some popular sire somewhere down the road doesn't come up a carrier for PRA either (or any of the other heritable eye diseases). Talk about devastating to the breed. Bulldogs are among the few who do not have this problem in a large group, but it doesn't take much to get it started. I personally like an opthamologist to examine all aspects of my dog's eye anatomies. I think that a dog with chronic eye irritation leads just as miserable a life as one who is arthritic, not to mention I don't want to deal with any eye disease. The clinics are easy to find and not expensive, so why not?
In a perfect world, bulldogs would feel no pain caused by uncaring breeders, but please don't knock or discount CERF until you spend time with Collie, Irish Setter, Poodle, miniature Schnauzer people (the list goes on) whose breeds have been badly affected by hereditary eye diesease and know what it is like to HAVE to CERF their dogs every year.

"I'm open to learn, and discuss this. But no one seems to answer me on it".
>>> Elizabeth, thanks for the links. I have read many of them, an more. I just don't understand why there can't be open discussions on the various health issues and tests, even agreeing to disagree, be open to learn, just as much as a educational and interesting thread can be done on the standard. Even with that, it doesn't mean all agree with the interpretation, but all can learn from the discussion. Don't you agree?

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I know from this thread, and from past that you are not "big" on x-raying the hips.

I'm just curious, have you ever done x-rays on any of your Bulldogs hips, just to know?

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Well, likely my reasons are typical of common bulldogger apathy. And a dose of legitimate fear.
Mostly the fear of anesthesia. The point that if the dog dies under anesthesia he likely had some other problem is is well taken, I just don''t want that to happen to me.
Can you imagine.. get a nice young champion and he dies getting his hips x rayed?
Scary.
Now, if I had a history of rear lameness in my dogs, yes, I would try to get to the bottom of it. I think by now people realize I don't hide from health problems, I try to fix them. But it is not the most vexing health problem in this "house" at this time.
I think your crusade to educate in this area is excellent, you seem to be the person with the most experience on it. I have found that the reaction to hip x rays among bulldg breeders has been similar. Fear of loosing the dog.
I will mention the logistics. My vet is quite far for me and it is difficult to go out there for reasons other than the times that I really need to go.
What I was recently thinking of doing is trying to find a researcher who would develop a technique for x raying bulldogs that required no anesthesia at all. I know from talking to Dr. Keller at OFA about it that he prefers dogs to be put under, that dogs done while awake are not giving a true reading. If I am going to get hips done routinely, I want them to be as accurate as they can be, or what is the point?
I think it is a priority issue. Right now, it is not my priority, but I am not going to argue it with someone who has it as their highest priority. I applaud anyone who is passionate about anything that would make the dogs better.
And getting back to my point on breed type. It is merely speculative. If (big IF) we would find that dogs with the best hip scores were dogs with , say, higher tail sets or flat backs.. or any other topline or rear issue, and people would tend to want to breed to dogs only with the better hip scores.. yes, it absolutely could change breed type. Even if those features had nothing to do with the reasons why those dogs were sounder in the hips. People would not stop and evaluate the big picture.. they never do.
I have NO IDEA if anything like that scenario is likely to ever happen, but you never know.
I hope in time we can do a study similar to the trachea study that would evaluate bulldogs for hips and maybe find a technique that would suit bulldog people and then figure out if we have a massive issue that needs fixed.
I know with German Shepherds, the dogs could not walk.. were in horrible pain and disfigured by their HD. I am just not seeing that sort of devastating unsoundness in huge amounts in bulldogs.
If they were all leaning towards horrid cripples like the shepherds were, yes, I would say absolutley we needed to do something now.
But I just dont see it as symptomatic like that. Sure, we might find one day that most bulldogs grade in the "fair" area and few if any are ever found to be excellent, but if they are not all limping and falling over and having to be destroyed en masse due to horrible hips, I am just not going to prioritize hips in my own mind. I think these days the dogs are actually sounder, so the idea that it could still happen is not going to stick with me. I think if it were it would have.
Granted, I am talking about the show population. I have no idea how this new scary popularity is going to damage the pet population. Surely it will somehow.
e


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Elizabeth, you do not have to put a Bulldog under to x-ray the hips. If it was felt that was the only way to do it, then OFA should change their form to say that, rather than have blocks to note "IF" the dog was put under. Yes, some radiologists, and breeders (of other breeds) feel there is a difference in the x-ray when done one way or not. However, it is so minute, if any. So, you certainly will know if the hips are good or not.

However, comparing to the problems with German Shephards, let me point one thing out. The best GS, used for police work, etc, are ones imported from Germany. Why? Because they MUST pass on their hips to be bred. The quality of GS, Rotties, etc. from Germany are far better than the majority of them in the US. Here, anyone can breed, and when a breed becomes popular, then everyone DOES breed, without regard to the health. That is why there has been such a downfall on the hip health with some of these breeds. But using Germany, as an example, certainly proves the point that requiring these tests, and only allowing those that past to be bred, DOES better the breed.

As far as Bulldogs, I will agree, that I think we have far better health in the majority of show/breeders that we did 20-30 years ago. But what we are facing now is the internet, and now instead of breeding being done by people that "know" what they are doing, we are having so many Bulldogs with health problems, including lame, bad rears.

So, as custodians of our breed, we need to insure we have a good health database of our breeding stock. We need to be able to show prospective buyers, legislatures, etc, WHY it is better to buy from a reputable breeder, and to try to do away with the importers, puppy millers, pet shops, etc. We need to show the public there can be healthy bulldogs.



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pretty much what I was trying to get at. Is the hip grading system ideal for Bulldogs? How does it affect breed type? I'm trying to gather as much info and process it before I come to any conclusion.

Thanks

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Scott, did you get my email?

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I sent you some pictures so you can get an idea.

I would love any vet expert explain how good hips are going to ruin type. That doesn't make sense. Is breeding away from heads that produce entropia or bad throats ruining the head type?? No.

And by the way, you do not need to have your dog put under to have these x-rays done. If your dog does not lay good, a little something to calm them. But, they will walk right back out with you when it is done. In fact, in doing the trachea x-rays, you specifically do not want the dog to be under.

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Thanks...It ended up in the spam folder. For whatever reason that happens with all AOL mail I get.

Anyhow, I'm not saying one thing or another. I'm just trying to learn and understand. I can't accept things as fact just because they're told to me. I'm very inquisitive and analytical by nature so I'm going to try and understand things best I can. Common sense tells me good hips along with type would be ideal but until I have a little more experience on the subject I'll reserve judgment.

I do appreciate your efforts in helping me to learn and sharing your experiences. Thanks for the email!

Scott

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"So I checked the BCA site and there's a lot of links. I don't even know where to begin. I've had x rays and things of that nature done but nothing ever certified. I'd like to start health certification here pretty soon. Can anyone familiar with the process break it down for me so I have a clue as to where to start."

Go to the OFA site to start. When you get there, look around. The forms for all tests are there along with health clinic schedules.


"Can most of these tests/x rays be performed by my regular vet?"

Yes, but you might want to utilize a cardiologist where possible. CERF and BAER tests need specialists. Your blood for thyroid will be sent out to Michigan State. Also, ask your vet if he is familiar with the process. If he has never dealt with OFA before, have him look at the site to familiarize himself with the issues and the procedues, which are outlined there, or go and print out the forms and bring them to him prior to your appointment so that the process runs smoothly. The thyroid test, for example, requires some specific things to be done, so arming the vet and the techs with the procedure ahead of time will save allot of confusion if they have never done it before.

"Keep in mind I'm fully aware that not everything shows up on these tests. Like if a family of dogs has a history for cancer, heart conditions, skin diseases, temperament, etc even though an immediate dog has passed an array of tests. Tests don't replace common sense but common sense tells me I probably want to combine the two."

That's exactly right. But, it is up to you as a breeder to find out as much about the dogs in the families you choose to breed with as you possibly can. The dogs a breeder keeps and tests is only a small part of the puzzle.

"Question about the trach cert. This is a test for trachea shape and diameter? Will this test reveal things such as elongated palette, enlarged tonsils, sacs etc? Does anyone have the size chart for results?"

The study is for the radiologists at OFA to figure out a way to measure and then to score. We are still way short of the goal of 100 submissions. It might be that after 100 dogs are evaluated, they might want another group of dogs from there. It is a study, not an answer yet. There are many variables they might want to research as well, such as size, age, gender, etc.
There are no formal tests for the other issues you bring up. Some vets who are familiar with bulldogs can look in a bulldog throat and tell you the degree of severity each condition you mentioned.
If this is an area of concern to you, have your vet give you written reports on your dogs in this area. A vet report in the absense of a formal test can be a very helpful tool for you in addition to the formal tests.

"Also, I think there have been some questions raised about the legitimacy of some of these tests and or the people having them done or the people performing them. Is there some type of microchip or tattoo system in place? I know there are loop holes with everything but I'm just curious."

I think Patti covered everything else in her post. My vet scans the microchips and enters the numbers right on the forms himself. He has no reason to cheat.

"Anyhow, any tips or advice would be greatly appreciated."

Hopefully your questions have been answered. If you have any more, always feel free to ask. At this point, the numbers of bulldog people doing the testing is growing, so there are now people available to share their experiences, not just a limited few.
Elizabeth
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I'm still trying to analyze and understand the nature of some of these certifications/studies and how best to utilize them in my breeding program. Sometimes you have to scrutinize things and ask a lot of questions to better understand them.
Dr. B. checks all my throats and I think it's fairly obvious if there's some type of obstruction of the airway. I've had some dogs breathe just as well if not better than some of the longer nosed breeds and once in a while you'll get one that doesn't. So I've definitely seen both. I don't think Bulldogs have to have all these problems people that are NOT familiar with the breed say they do. I think if breeders are able to get a few generations of CERF'D dogs under their belts it will pay huge dividends down the road. You have to start somewhere and obviously want to combine the certifications with logic and common sense. A straight stifled dog certified for patellas is still a straight stifled dog. Obviously being certified demonstrates a certain level of joint integrity but you want to have the proper angles for a even more sound and conformationally correct dog.

If the youngest Butchko is in he normally let's me take as many x-rays as I want and charge me for one . There's also a growing number of vets in the area qualified to perform some of these tests with even more modern technology so I definitely am going to get started.

Thanks for the info!
Scott

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Scott, another thing about testing

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Keep in mind, it is to create a database that can be used down the road. The same that you look at a pedigree and see "CH" in front of a name, wouldn't you like to know if the dogs in a pedigree were ok on these health tests, too?

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Of course

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I'm not sure how you interpreted what I said as anything else. I just want to understand something before I mindlessly jump into it or take it as gospel.

Scott

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I said that because some will reply that they have had their vets health check their dogs, no problems, etc, etc.....But for whatever reason, they don't feel it is important to submit info to OFA, so it is part of the database.

So, besides being important information for you, yourself, as a breeder, to know about your dogs, it would be nice to have a large database to research when thinking of breeding out to another line.

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Please, Californians, make sure you get letters in by tomorrow

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USE THE NAIA CAPWIZ LINK HERE IF YOU NEED TO. PRINT IT OUT AND FAX IT PLEASE, THEN E-MAIL BUT REMEMBER THAT E_MAILS COUNT FOR VERY LITTLE. YOU'LL BE DONE IN 15-20 MINUTES

JEN

I know it's almost summer and legislative #%$@! is not what anyone wants to deal with but protecting our valuable working, show, companion animals and canine family members is important enough, I think, to merit a few moments of our time.

While dog owners scored a huge victory against the original incarnation of AB1634, the new version of the bill has some serious issues that must be addressed.

The new version removes any burden of proof requirement by government or animal/law enforcement agency by making a "complaint" the criteria for levying fines or even forcing the sterilization of dogs or cats. No proof is required that a violation actually took place and complaints may be made by anyone, in writing or orally. It is unlawful to use complaints alone to levy fines or punishment against a U.S. resident, yet that is what the current language of AB1634 seeks to do. Additionally, owners of intact animals are denied legal recourse or hearing in these cases, this is a violation of your right of DUE PROCESS.

The "new" AB1634 makes owners of intact animals second class citizens and deprives them of basic constitutional protections because they own an intact dog or cat no matter what the reason. Owners of sterilized animals, no matter what the infraction, will not have to face additional fees. AB1634 also grants protection from civil action by animal owners penalized by it's statues, giving the owner of an intact pet or working animal no legal protection or recourse.

What you can do:

1) take a few minutes to write the Senate Committee on Local Government and let them know you oppose AB1634 as amended June, 18, 2008 and why.
If you are pressed for time or having trouble articulating your thoughts go to http://capwiz.com/naiatrust/issues/alert/?alertid=11517061>; and use their service to send an e-mail, then print it out and fax it to the Committee, contact info provided in the forwarded messages below. Send it to your own senator too

2) call the same senators once a day to let them know you are opposed to this version, be polite, always.

3) Attend the hearing and rally on Wed. You'll probably see folks you know and it sends one heck of a message to the California legislature.

Thanks,

Jennifer Joseph
BCA Div. III Legislative Liasion

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California Assembly Bill AB 1634 has been completely gutted and amended with new language. The bill will be heard next Wednesday, June 25 at 9:30 a.m. in the Senate Local Government Committee.

PetPAC is pleased that we have finally defeated the version of AB 1634 which called for mandatory sterilization of all dogs and cats in California. Our lobbying and grassroots efforts resulted in a tremendous victory in stopping mandatory sterilization.

However, we remain opposed to the newly amended AB 1634 because we have a number of concerns with this legislation as currently drafted.

PetPAC agrees with the Cat Fanciers Association that the current amended language is unfair to cat breeders. In addition, there is no appeal process for either dog or cat owners if there is a conflict between the pet owner and animal control agency.

Under this legislation dogs or cats if found in violation can be spayed and neutered at any age regardless of the effect upon their health, without appeal and even if their veterinarian objects to the procedure.

We urge you to contact the Senators on the committee with the objections we’ve outlined above.Let them know you support PetPAC’s position on this issue.

Please join us at the State Capitol in Sacramento for the hearing on Wednesday, June 25 at 9:30 a.m. and for our PetPAC Rally beginning at 12 noon.

Again, thank you for your efforts in helping us defeat the statewide mandatory sterilization bill, but we have more work ahead. Thank you.

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AB 1634 Redraft Eliminates Wholesale Mandatory Spay/Neuter
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NAIA Members and Supporters:

We promised in our last alert to notify you of any new developments on AB 1634, so we are writing today to let you know that the time to weigh in is now.

The bill, which originally called for mandatory spay/neuter for nearly all dogs and cats in California, has undergone major changes. While retaining the original bill number, AB 1634, the bill has a new name, "Dogs and cats: nonspayed or unneutered: civil penalties" and is in fact a whole new bill. The bill is scheduled for a hearing in the Senate Local Government Committee on June 25th.

Over the last year, NAIA and others have worked to educate the Committee and the bill’s sponsors about the unintended consequences of coercive pet laws and raise their awareness about more viable alternatives.

We commend the committee and sponsors for being so receptive to the concerns of their constituents and consequently shifting their approach from profiling all breeders and owners of intact pets to targeting the irresponsible owners who actually present the problem. NAIA is prepared to support AB 1634, if amended further to clarify certain aspects of the bill.

We are pleased to report that the bill has been stripped of its original language mandating wholesale spay/neuter. The redrafted version of AB 1634 does the following:

Increases civil penalties for impounded dogs or cats that are not spayed or neutered.
Specifies that an oral or written “complaint” to an animal control agency about an “occurrence” shall result in penalties.
For dogs that are not spayed/neutered, the first occurrence would result in a fine of $50, (increased from $35), the second occurrence would result in a $100 fine, (increased from $50), and the third occurrence would require that the dog be sterilized at the owner’s expense.
For cats that are not spayed/neutered, the first occurrence would result in a fine of $50, (increased from $35), and the second occurrence would require that the cat be sterilized at the owner’s expense.
Fines collected under this new act would go toward humane education, programs for low-cost spaying and neutering of dogs and to cover administrative costs incurred by the agency.
Requires that shelters comply with certain rabies control reporting requirements before they are eligible to receive the revenue collected under these new provisions.
Click here to review the new version of AB 1634 .


We support holding pet owners responsible for the problems created by their pets so the focus of this bill seems correct to us, however, the current bill has some shortcomings that need to be addressed. As currently drafted, AB 1634 would allow the imposition of penalties based on mere allegations, which the bill calls “complaints” with no provision for a hearing or an appeals process. The only complaint not included is an allegation of excessive noise or barking, making the scope of the bill unnecessarily broad.

To clarify intent, we believe that “complaints” as used in this section should be limited to dogs and cats that are impounded while running at large, and whose owners would be able to appeal the complaint prior to any penalty being imposed. Upon the third occurrence, and assuming a proper hearing has been granted, instead of a mandate ordering one specific penalty, discretion should be granted animal control agencies so they can order the most appropriate penalty, one of which could include spay/neuter. With these thoughts in mind, we would request the following amendments to strengthen and clarify the bill:

Limit the scope of “complaint” to only those occurrences involving free-roaming pets that are impounded while running at large, and offer owners a process for disputing the claim against them before the imposition of any penalty. This will keep the law focused on preventing strays, overpopulation, and shelter crowding, which we understand to be the original intent.
Allow, rather than mandate, spay/neuter as a civil penalty that can be ordered upon a third established offense for dogs and second established offense for cats.
Instead of simply raising the fine for the first occurrence from $35 to $50, consider requiring shelters to permanently identify impounded pets, with the expense being passed on to the owners at the time the pet is released to them. This would provide added value to the community as well as the owner, enabling animal control agencies to tie specific pets to specific owners so they can be quickly reunited, or simply help them identify repeat offenders.

The reality is that pets will occasionally get loose from even the most responsible households despite the owners’ best efforts to keep the animals on their property. Yet there are people who take little or no precaution to properly confine their dogs and cats, causing neighborhood problems and frequently landing pets in shelters. The use of permanent positive identification in this situation, when returning an impunded shelter animal to its owner, would allow shelters to confidently distinguish between the one-time accidental stray and recurring offenders.

Please take a few minutes to send an email to the Committee thanking them for the time they have devoted to redrafting AB 1634 and asking that they consider these critically important amendments to ensure its success and your support.

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Emailed and will mail the hard copy tomorrow!

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FAX it

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there is no time to mail by snail mail now, please have edgar do it too, two letters are better than one!

THANK YOU!!!

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You got it!! n/m by

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Great idea!

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we have a fax at home, too!




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*** VoTE FoR GaBe!!! *** (...Yet another chance for Fame & Fortune!)

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We were sent yet another lead for Gabe to pursue in his quest for Stardom by one of his "fans". Nick at Night is hosting the first annual Fido Awards and here are the details...

From May 19th to July 2nd, it’s every fido for himself as voters choose their favorite dogs in 6 categories. You can enter your dog in any and all categories and you can submit as many videos as you’d like!

On July 7th, we’ll reveal the 24 Finalists, the top 4 dogs from each of the 6 categories. Then until July 12th, these 24 will compete for the chance to travel to LA and get one step closer to becoming Worldwide Fido 2008!

The winners of each category will be revealed on Nick at Nite during a 2-night televised event, The Worldwide Fido Awards.



SO GABE GROUPIES...NOW IS YOUR CHANCE!!! Click on the link below and cast your vote for Gabe in the Best Trick catagory. (We shortened Gabe's "Top Dog" video, removing the obedience routines and took out the music as the rules disqualify the use of any copyrighted music )

http://www.worldwidefido.com/watch/4918/gabe-the-bulldog


There's not a lot of time, so get VOTING!!!




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I voted for Gabe

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more than once

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Super easy to vote!! by

I voted for you Gabe!

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Thanks everyone--and you can vote as many times as you want!

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Gabe is already amongst the top 6 entries in his catagory and his videos has only been up one day--thanks to all his Bully Buddies! They will choose the top 4 in each catagory next week, then voting will begin for the top dog in each catagory...so I guess we've got to keep at it for a while yet! Thanks for your support!




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Voting early and often

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Let's get the handsome Gabe on TV!
Diana

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We have a New Non Bully Champion

by kelly white

Today My Butterfly became a Champion winning her last major under a Japanese Judge..Now her puppies with have 2 Champion Parents!

Heres a Picture of my newest Champion
It was taken at Mission Circut..
Ch Chinsan Mai Cho


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Congrats!

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on finishing Butterfly!

Scott

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Very nice! by

Congratualtions Kelly!!

Was this at Long Beach?

Do you have any Bully results?

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Thank you! Well today at Long Beach was a bunch of Specialties..We showed in the Toy Breed Fanciers Show..
I believe Long Beach Results were posted on another board..We were not able to go because of work!

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Oh, that was different by

I didnt' realize the specialties were on a Sunday. Usually they are the day before the all breeds, and Long Beach always went thru Sunday.

Oh well, dumb me.

Anyway, congratulations. Pretty little girl.

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LOL

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Well dont feel stupid..I was thinking the same thing..almost missed the entries because I was not able to take friday off from work!

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Way to go kel and Butterfly!! She looks bigger than I expected her to be!

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