Punks do not discuss punk. What the Hell? It is accepted or not. You 15 year old boy (?) did not expect to be addressed by older, adult Punks? When, exactly, in your mind did Punk start? Good Charlotte is not Punk, I agree. What is Punk, is the old stuff. This neo-punk of the "now generation" is close. If you refer to lately bands like Libertines, Vines, among others that actually have Punk vibes, then okay. But if you forget about Replacements, Elvis, Blondie, Clash, Sex Pistols, who gave the new bands their sounds, then you are ignoring where Punk started. Have you been to England where REAL Punk still lives? Try that for a day.

Why did you start a new thread? Did you even read the old thread? Because if you read the whole thing (I know it's long, but it would prevent you from sounding like a jerk), you'd see that we already covered those topics. I mentioned MANY times that I love the Ramones and I also like the Clash, Damned, Buzzcocks, Sex Pistols, Fear, X, the Germs, Black Flag, Minor Threat, Meat Puppets, etc.

I'm sorry, but punks can discuss punk. I just started the thread to discuss punk music, but it kinda got out of hand and turned into a big arguement. Again, please read the thread for answers to all your questions.

But you are only 15. Hah! Little kid, get off the block! In about 15 more years you will see that those bands you mentioned will be unheard of. What else, punk?

Do you think of yourself as punk, in any way, shape, or form? Then why are you DISCUSSING it?

That 15 year old's got you beat, brains-wise.

Yeah, it doesn't matter what age I am. As long as I understand and embrace the punk spirit, who cares? I'm as punk as anybody else. And you have to admit, the fact that I just got into punk this summer and I've already heard a wide variety of punk bands isn't exactly hurting my credibility. I'm not some kid who heard a Blink 182 song on the radio and started going around saying I'm punk.

...I mean Aurallaura. Where the hell were you earlier when we were dicussing all of this in the other thread? I mean, we really could have used an obviously educated voice of reason like yours to tell us what we can and cannot talk about. By the way, please post a link to this "rule" that punks don't discuss punk, or at least tell us the name of this mythological text that lays out the rules for a style that doesn't have rules.

What are you, an idiot? (you don't have to answer that, it was a rhetorical question)

You know, that "kid" that you so make a point of ripping on has more brains in the tip of his dick then you have in your entire head. And what he lacks in experience, he more then makes up for in cajones. And because he seeks knowledge, he decided to ask others for their opinions.

You, on the other hand, are a weak trolling dipshit. Your main attack on this "kid" is his age. You then through out a few "who's who of punks roots" as a feeble attempt to not only impress us w/you wisdom but to also shut him up. Nice job. And the last time I checked, England wasn't the only place you can find "real punk". So next time, when you're masterbating to a "forum topic" and something collapes your tent, please don't feel compelled to let us know why we are all wrong by reopening a dead topic.

Seriously, if punks don't talk about punk, then why the hell even start this thread? What do you care?

Oh yeah, you're an idiot and a troll. In case you aren't up to speed on what a troll is, here's a quick definition:

troll



An electronic mail message, Usenet posting or other
(electronic) communication which is intentionally incorrect,
but not overtly controversial (compare flame bait), or the
act of sending such a message. Trolling aims to elicit an
emotional reaction from those with a hair-trigger on the reply
key. A really subtle troll makes some people lose their
minds.

(1994-10-17)



Source: The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing, © 1993-2003 Denis Howe


troll

v.,n. 1. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To
utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable
responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase
"trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream
"trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a
likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post
that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look
even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to
the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate
troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See
also YHBT. 2. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1;
regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a
newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to
annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by
the fact that the have no real interest in learning about the topic
at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly
creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming
characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of
life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll." 3.
[Berkeley] Computer lab monitor. A popular campus job for CS
students. Duties include helping newbies and ensuring that lab
policies are followed. Probably so-called because it involves
lurking in dark cavelike corners.

Some people claim that the troll (sense 1) is properly a narrower
category than flame bait, that a troll is categorized by containing
some assertion that is wrong but not overtly controversial. See
also Troll-O-Meter.

Have a nice day.

I think this definition of troll would fit, too:
Creature of Scndinavian folklore, often an ill-tempered dwarf that lives under rocks or bridges.

Punk of yesteryear is not punk of today. However with the bubblegum sounds of groups like Good Charlotte (which if it sounds good, go ahead and listen to it.... and hope you don't get crucified for it) it is often called pop/punk. But, and this is a big butt, we can still call "neo-punk" punk. Why?

Precedence has been set in a genre I very much do not like. Country music. Country music is not what it used to be. It used to be Johnny Cash, WIllie Nelson, or other artists I haven't heard of or can't remember too well. Today's "country rock" is still considered country. At least that's what today's people call it. My grandpa calls it Country Rock, but that's because he still listens to classic country. It still has the same feel, maybe a little more laid back, but still contains the cowboy clothing of boots and hats and whatnot.

Just a point, that punk has changed, but it is still punk

I guess that would apply in some peoples' minds more than others. I know punk has come to be classified as loud, angry music, and any band fitting into that category is labeled as punk. Not so. In my opinion at least, once a punk artist or band sells out, they're no longer punk. And if they try to pretend their punk, they're definately not punk. If Blink 182 and Good Charleotte just came out and said "yeah, we compromised our ideals, but we were just tired of being poor and not having any fans." But a real punk band wouldn't care that they had no money or fans. They'd go out there and play just the same. It's weird to think that today, if you told someone that, they'd laugh and say that those people were stupid. That's what today's music industry has come to. It's all about big cash payoffs. I'm sick of crappy, manufactured bands, and I'm sick of the music industry pushing this "corporate punk" on us. Punk is about saying what you want no matter how controversial, not having others speak for you.

Again, this is all my opinion. To reply with an angry message would be pointless and would get us nowhere (for examples of how out of control this can get, see the other punk board if you haven't already).

In response to the whole..."England still has real Punk", by the clearly ignorant Aurallaurel...Never forget, England also gave us the "Spice Girls". So it may still have punk, but that means nothing. Anywhere can "have punk". And how do you define "punk" anyway? It was always my understanding that punk is more a frame of mind than any sound. And so what if Dee Dee's only 15?(or whatever age). Weren't you into Punk at 15? Or do you have to be over 21 to start listening to it? Clarify for us why the age one starts listening to punk matters. I'll admit, DeeDee is at times a little "led in her beliefs" by communist propoganda...(cheap shot I know:) ), that doesn't mean that she/he(sorry DeeDee I don't know what you are) isn't expanding her mind. Something that one SHOULD do. At least Dee Dee shows an ability to post intelligibly(I'm still getting the hang of it) and remain open to debate without getting pissy.

(Nik's soapbox provided by "Tide Ultra")

hey, speaking of "Punk"...anyone seen SLC Punk? I saw it years back & thought it was going to be hokey. But the monologues about punk/anarchism and the paradox it is is rather interesting.

Um, I'm a guy. I think this has been discussed before hasn't it? Oh well.

I never saw SLC punk, but I heard it was like THE punk movie.

And everything you said about punk is absolutely true. Too bad this thread's been dead for like a month. Must've scared off the little hypocrite.

SHUT THE FUCK UP!

I wouldn't call it THE punk movie, but i dont know what would be THE punk movie, it's just like some punks in one place and its believable and has a cool acid-knee dissolving shot, the monologues are the best part, and how it actually talks about anarchy on your home front. But I dunno I haven't seen Sid and Nancy yet, and i'm not sure about a Clockwork orange.
But anybody see Sick Sick Sick, what did you think of them?

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excuse me but how do you figure that good charlotte is pop punk?? when i think of pop punk i think of punk with more of a beat like no use for a name or something with numbers sure its not as good as the old shit but it still has a punkish element to it its trying to rebel through music THATS what punk is about and to tarnish punks reputation by using it to even semi describe good charlotte is like a personal insult to me!! i mean fuck, what the hell good charlotte is pop, a marketing scam made to fool people, if this is punk to them they are sorley mistaken. and to those people who said punks can't talk about punk thats ridiculus how else are we meant to get our veiws out and isn't that what its all about? expressing ourselves? and again to those who said punk is only in england i guess you never heard the victims, AUSTRALIAN punk from the 70s or 80s? The ramones, Newyork punk all they way, And how about the dead kennedys if they are not punk i don't know what is so by you labelling "punk" as strictly english then you are labelling it and this has what has ultimatley caused it's downfall. by the way my friends through ice cream at lee harding when he was signing in canberra, fuck i hate that guy HE IS NOT PUNK!!!

I fully understand were you are coming from! If only we cold all go back in time and pogo and rock to all the good jams!!! haha by the way dee dee was my favorite ramone watching him play bass... whoa have you seen rock and roll highschool???

my meassges don't seem to be working?? are you 15?