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Iskender (no login)
I you don't mind let's throw the Turk out of our ancestral Lands; THEN we'll debate the philosophical dynamics of one-ness out of many or multiplicity in tactical unity etc.
PS Alexander The Great HIMSELF said (as recorded in Anabasis) "I have made you ONE Nation, let not brother raise hand against brother.......etc."
OF COURSE Germans, Negroes, Turks etc. will NOT be welcome into this Confederation.
Yours for Alexandrian Renaissance
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Iksender, I know Alexander said that. But did you know that his soldiers disagreed with him? When they were forced to marry non-Greek wives, but after his kingdom fell after his death they left those wives and took up Greek ones. You say that Turks, Negroes and Germans will not be allowed in our confederation. What is wrong with Germans? I agree that I don't want Turks and Negroes. I don't understand that why you guys want to unite with Armenians. Who cares if they are Orthodox. Would you unite with the Turks if they became Orthodox?
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February 22 2003, 4:57 AM
To Iskender,
I understand you dont agree with some of the Views of Enotita or its members. Yes, Alexander said this, and Yes i agree with him. He made us ONE nation, but NOT one people/race. Enotita is all for the union of our countries into ONE nation, but not into one Nationality(people). Yes, we are all of the same Race(Aryan/Indo-European), but we must continue to keep our national pride, culture, and history alive even inside such a united State.
I will agree with you on one thing though, such a debate must happen later, once the Turk has been removed from Asia Minor.
To Hellenic Warrior,
Germans are our Aryan Brothers, but they have also done much wrong to us. Second They are not from our region or Subracial group. They honestly have no purpose in the Balkans or a Neo-Byzantium Empire, let them stay in the North and do as they please. I think a German Nationalist would say the same, they want a Germany for the Germans, which means Greeks or French wouldnt be allowed inside the state or maybe not given citzenship.
You said why would we want to unite with Armenians? Well i must ask you this, why wouldnt we want to unite with Armenians? Are they not our Racial Brothers? Are they not our Religous Brothers? Have they not shared the same hardships and history as we have?
Second You said would we unite with a Turk if he became Orthodox. Well for a Turk to become Orthodox, he would be unTurkifing himself. We all know most Turks are just Turkifed Aryans. So if one whichs to purify himself and return to the nation of his forefathers, Then yes i would say let him unite with us
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Iskender (no login)
To "Our 2"
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February 22 2003, 7:22 PM
Dear Friends:
Firstly, I AM an Armenian myself. My father lived the 15 happiest years of his life in Fiks (Athens, Greece) where he met my Mom. Both were refugees from The Turkish occupation. They were as much at home in a Greek neighborhood as in a Slav one or an Armenian home because THAT is the honest impact of Alexandrian Civilization and convictions. As to Germans, did you know that the German family of the Krupps (makers and sellers of cannons and military hardware) gave the Turks weapons and ammunition FREE so as to enable them to kill our peoples? In ALL the centuries of the existence of Germans and Germany they've done us NOTHING BUT EVIL unless you think supplying kings and royal leeches on most of our Ethnicities was a big favor.
Archie: You have some VALUABLE thoughts but could you TRUST such an UN-Turkified Turk? I WOULD BE TWICE AS SUSPICIOUS OF HIM AS OF ANY OTHER TURK!
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Iksender, to me it seems that you are looking at religion as with whom you want to Unify with. So if a Turk converted to Orthodox what would be the problem? It seems to me this group wants to Unify with people based on religion. I would rather Unify with my European brothers. Hail the Hellenes. ZHTW ELLAS!
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Di-Chaos (no login)
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February 24 2003, 3:44 PM
I want to replay to Archangelos.
"Are they not our Racial Brothers?"
Well Albanians also are our racial brothers and many of them are Orthodox do you want to unite with them too?
"Are they not our Religous Brothers?"
Bulgarians..those brutal murderers are our Religious Brothers too.
"Have they not shared the same hardships and history as we have?"
No they haven't! Has anybody ever heard about Armenian braveness?
I think that Greek community can not "baby****" Armenians. Because this is the reality. We will have to baby **** them the way we do with Cyprus. What are they going to do for us? If I were an Armenian I would prefer to unite with PKK, not Greece.
Greeks are "Εθνος Αναδελφο" and we sould better realize that and realize it real soon.
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Why should we baby anyone? If they are not strong enough to stand on their own they will suffer the consequences. Our culture comes first. When I say our culture I am talking about the Hellenic Culture. Hail the Hellenes!
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February 25 2003, 6:38 PM
I am happy to see such a flow of ideas coming on the forum, this is a good thing.
Islender,
The idea of Trusting an un-Turkified Turk is not official Enotitan policy, its just and idea we are thinking about. In all honestly im not sure if i would want to be around a Turk, even if hes not brainwashed anymore, but i need to keep my mind open to such things or i will be lost in my closed mindness....
Hellenic Warrior,
Yes, Enotita at first was a created to unify Orthodox Christian Aryans, this is changing though. I've told you about the idea of a New Religion(which is getting alot of support in our Leadership). We must understand one thing though, we have more in common with Serbs and others from our Region then we do with a Swedish or English Person. Yes we are all Aryans, but we grew up in different worlds. Its easier to start off slowly and United with Fellow Aryans closer to you and then work your way to uniting all Aryans.
Di-Chaos,
Albanians that are our Racial Brothers and are Orthodox are nothing more the Greeks and Vlachs living in Albania. Its my belief and Enotita belief that Albanians are descendents of a Turkic Tribe, so no we will not and can not unity with Albanians.
Bulgarians also are descendents of a Turkic Tribe so because of this they are not included in the Nations of Enotita. They are also responsible for the Murder of Many Greeks, just like the Albanians and Turks. So no, Enotita does not push for Unity with these people.
When it comes to the Armenians, it doesnt matter if they are or arent weak. Would you like to see your brother died or fade away? I would hope not. Armenians are Brave, they have fought the wars, they still fight against the Turk, which is more then i can say about ZOG controled Greece.
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I will say once more, Enotita promotes the Union of different Eastern Orthodox(for now) Aryan Nationalist states into a New Byzantium Empire. This only means a Political Union for Defense reasons, A United Front as you can say against our Empire. An Aryan Paradise for us, were Greece would be for Greeks, Serbia would be for Serbs, Russia would be for Russians etc.
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Iskender (no login)
Dear Archie:
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February 25 2003, 8:19 PM
I agree 100% (for once) with your four lined subscript! But remember: I'm NOT a religious fanatic but messing with the Orthodox basis of our Civilizations is NOT something I recommend because in the FINAL analyses THAT has been the connective link to Holy Russia, the guarantor of your and my survival! Subtract that and WHO knows what the result could be. Turkish savages have the misguided USA behind them and the viciously antiSlav/antiGreek Germans of Austria, Holland, Switzerland etc. WE NEED HOLY RUSSIA!
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Archangelos,
I think you misunderstood Di-Chaos. He does not want to unify with Albanians and Bulgarians. He was saying since you want to unify the religion with people such as the Armenians (who are not our brothers) , they you might as well unify with them.
I am glad that you are thinking of changing this group. But I must ask, What is so important about having a religion? Why can't the group be based on the Hellenic People? We do not need a religion.
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Di-Chaos (no login)
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February 26 2003, 3:15 PM
Thanks Hellenic Warrior.
As for Albanians they are not part of a Turkish tribe. They are descendants of the of the ancient tribe Liries. Do you trust them? Many of them are orthodox but of course no Greek trust them. We have our own problems and I don't consider them as brothers. What do you mean by saying "brothers"? I'll say that again if you don't speak Greek pls let me know.. Hellenes are "εθνος ανάδελφο" we have no brothers and we surely have no friends. Orthodoxy is a different thing. In the past orthodox countries atacked us or even helped Turks. Why should I trust Armenians? Why? Because they had problems? Albanians had problems Bulgarian had ALL BALKAN COUNTRIES HAD PROBLEMS. Who do you think is going to help you if Greece gets in a war? NOBODY!!!
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Archangelos (no login)
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February 26 2003, 6:19 PM
Hellenic Warrior,
What is with your hate for religion? Religion has played at very important part of Greek Culture and most Civilizations. It was the Orthodox Faith the kept Greeks, Greek in the Ottoman Empire. Religion has gone hand in hand with Hellenism since ancient times. Religion offers a combination of values and is the inner side of civilization and has played an important role in all the great civilizations such as the Egyptians,Persians,Romans, Greeks, etc...
We all there are problems with the Orthodox Faith, that is why i have being bring up the idea of founding a new Religion, which mixing Faith, Race, and History together.
Di-Chaos
When it comes to Albanians, no one knows there Origin, there are 3 theories, one that they are Descendents of Bessi Thracians, Another that they are Descendents of the Ancient Illyrians and the last is that they are descendent of a Turkic Tribe. Ive come to believe the Turkic Tribe more then any of the other 2. Religion has gone hand in hand with Race in the Balkans and we all know this. Aryans stayed Christian and non Aryans or Race Traitors were the Muslims. The Greek You are posting doesnt show up on my computer because i dont have the Greek Letters program on this computer
Armenians have fought along side Pontian Greeks during the First World War, Greeks Fought along side Serbs in Kosovo during the 98 Kosovo Rebellion. We can not say we have no Friends, because we do. We just need to start forming alliances and better friendship and stop looking at past events that happen because it wasnt out brothers most of the time but corrupted leaders or Jews that caused those wars and betrays to happen in the first place.
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February 26 2003, 7:09 PM
"When it comes to Albanians, no one knows there Origin" No you are wrong Archaelogists (at least in Europe) have agreed that Albanians are what you call Illyrians. Also you have to know that they stayed really clean. There is a difference between what we believe and what the experts know. Albanians are a clean race coming from Illyrians (Constantopoulou University of Ioannina 2001)
You talk about Aryan race. I do not know anything about Aryan race. They never helped us they never helped Greece and sometimes they helped Turks. The Greek you couldn't read is that we are "e8nos anadelfo"
"Armenians have fought along side Pontian Greeks during the First World War"
since when our enemies enemy is our friend?
"Greeks Fought along side Serbs in Kosovo during the 98 Kosovo Rebellion."
Yes Greeks helped many times, but who helped us back? NOBODY unfortunately
As I believe you must be American-Greek. It is nice to see people that was raised in the foreighn to think and love their matherland. But you do not really know how things are in Greece... you can not see that all Aryan race bastards direspect us. Do you think the Armenians will ever fight with us if it not their war? History has proved we should trust nobody and that is how we should continue
This message has been edited by Enotita on Mar 30, 2003 11:24 AM
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Aren't we all being a little extremist?
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May 21 2003, 7:01 PM
Now, I've heard of the legendary arrogance of the Greeks (I've studied classical literature, and by the way, Anabasis was about Xenophon's march out of Asia Minor, not Alexander the Great), but this is really taking it too far! Let's get things straight here. I am very much in favour of the revival of Byzantium, and it's a shame that the Turks ever captured it, but you can't hold grudges against someone because of what their great-great-great-great-grandfather did! All this talk of Germans being evil! Rubbish! It was not Germany who invaded Yugoslavia, but the Nazi Party. Now in Germany there is a democratic Bundesrepublik, and therefore it is hardly the same regime which you feel so aggrieved at! And banning people from your country is not the way ahead. The Byzantium of old was a very multicultural society, but from what I've read you seem to want to turn it into a Nazi regime! You've said exactly the same sorts of things as Hitler did! I'm Scottish, and we were bombed to pieces by Germany in the second world war, and millions of our troops died fighting them in the first (I may point out that not all Westerners are as evil as you say, as we did invade Turkey, and we did try to find a solution to the Bulgarian massacres), yet I can still find it in my heart to forgive them! What does the Bible say? It tells you to turn the other cheek to those who strike you! It tells you to be forgiving and to love everyone, no matter if they be German or Turk! And you call yourselves Christian!
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May 27 2003, 8:14 AM
You must distinguish what's the most important to you- the race and the nationalityon the one hand or the confession on the other. Orthodox faith doesn't make a difference between its believers. They can be German, Greek, Serb, Russian and Arab but they are all equal in eyes of Living God.
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May 31 2003, 8:23 PM
To James, you are talking like the Turks of today have done nothing and we are only mad at the ones of old. Do you forget the crimes of the Ottomans during the 20s? The crimes of the Turks after the fall of the empire? The crimes in the 50s? 70s? 90s? We are not just hold some ancient hate for a people who did something generations ago, but for a people the continue to do the same crimes to this very day. This is an on going battle
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June 2 2003, 8:55 PM
The only solution for the Turkish atrocities is coordinated action of all Orthodox Christians in Balkans and Caucasian area. Whether Islamic or secular Turkish state has pretension on its neighbors
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Iskender (no login)
AGREED, Stefan!
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June 8 2003, 4:42 PM
But you can hear the bitter tribalism/dynasticism on THIS VERY SITE, can't you? Slavs, Greeks, Armenians, other sufferers only help the Turks when they bash EACHOTHER. A sane and creative ALEXANDRIAN programme wherein ALL of our peoples are unified WITHOUT precedence or prejudice for ANY individual, party or bloc is the only way out of this dilemma. Turks and the munitioneers/bankers of Switzerland can keep us in slavery and exile AD CONTINUUM if we keep fighting eachother.
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June 10 2003, 8:29 AM
It is unrealistic to rely on the so-called International community if Balkan Orthodox Christians are incapable to cope with each other. During the history and especially in the last two centuries we were used and exploited by Great powers which benefited from our disunity and the tribalism. Cooperation should start from the culture and the religion not the economy. The economical cooperation isn't long lasting.
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