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56" RCA projection (FLYBACK RELATED PROBLEM)

January 15 2007 at 8:33 AM
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Hello!

I just replaced the FLYBACK transformer on my 56' RCA rear projection TV model P52921 (Flyback part # 239111, Chassis CTC195M). I believe the new FLYBACK is not original. Anyhow, after replacement the TV powered up and initially the picture looked fine. However, everytime the unit is powered up there is a noise coming from the back that lasted for 3-4 seconds then it disappears. The TV worked well with the exception of the noise and a slight blurr at the very right edge of the screen. The TV worked in that manner for about 7 days until today it did not power up as it did before replacing the FLYBACK.

Without any testing and with those two clues (the noise and picture blurr) can someone help me understand what might the problem be?

It could be anyone of these: The new FLYBACK, the HOT blew, Driver and HOT base circuit components, the LV regulator, or maybe bad soldering to the new FLYBACK.

Any good ideas?

Thanks!

 
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January 15 2007, 11:11 AM 

maybye you did not get the high voltage wires back into flyback good enough. or it could be the high voltage splitter. did you use the correct HOT? and please describe the sound, was it a hissing sound like high voltage?, a snapping or arcing sound?

 
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January 15 2007, 12:24 PM 

That is very possible, it is indeed a hissing sound that lasts of 3-5 seconds eveythime it the unit is powered up. Maybe I should check the soldering?

On the other hand, if the connection was bad then the TV won't have initially worked in the first place. Let me know what you think?

 
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January 15 2007, 12:25 PM 

I did not Replace the HOT, just replaced the FLYBACK.

 
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January 15 2007, 3:50 PM 

well a hissing sound is definitly a high voltage leak. replace the hot with correct one, and see if tv will fire back up. if it does look at the high tension wires, and crt's, in a dark room to see if you can see the voltage leaking. i doubt that it would be a bad solder connection. good luck

 
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January 15 2007, 4:37 PM 

I have a strong feeling you are right. I did check the soldering behind the FLYBACK and it was fine. I will replace the HOT in the next few days and update you on my findings. Thank you very much for your help!!!

 
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January 15 2007, 5:25 PM 

you are welcome.

 
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January 15 2007, 8:28 PM 

Where about is the location to the HOT? and what about the HV splitter? do you suggest to test or replace?


 
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January 16 2007, 3:24 AM 

the HOT is located on a heat sink, close to the flyback. it is # (Q14401) on the board. it is black in color , flat , & has three legs on it.

 
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January 16 2007, 3:26 AM 

and i wouldn't replace splitter,until you see if tv will fire back up, and then look for any blue voltage or sparks on it.

 
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January 16 2007, 8:33 AM 

Thanks again, I will locate the HOT as you described and replace it. Could the HOT by any chance cause the HV leakage (Hissing noise) in the Flyback?

 
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January 16 2007, 11:02 AM 

no, the HOT will not cause hissing sound. the HOT must work in order to get the tv fired up again. the HOT causes high voltage to be turned on. i am saying replace the HOT, because the tv is dead right now, right? you have to get tv running before we can locate the hissing sound, which is by all means a high voltage leak, and could destroy the tv if not found quickly. keep me posted.

 
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January 16 2007, 12:05 PM 

Ok maybe i should have explained the original problem instead of giving later events. Well intially the TV did not power up so I made a visual inspection of the mainboard where the FLYBACK is located and found that the FLYBACK has burnt circular marks on top. I decided that it was the failing part after a tech came look at it and got the TV back powering and working by what he claims "Soldering the back of the Horizontal output Driver" which I assume that it is another terminology for the FLYBACK (Please correct me if I am wrong). I decided to replace the FLYBACK and that is when I was able to get the TV back up and working for about a week with the exception of a slight blurr (lack of focus type of effect) vertically sweeping out the very right corner with a vertical green light at the very most right edge of the screen and ofcourse our old friend the "hissing noise" I described to you earlier. Let me know if that gives you more clues, thank you very much!

 
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January 16 2007, 12:09 PM 

Just to eleminate any confusion (not sure if it would make a difference) it is the right corner from the viewer frame of reference.

 
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January 16 2007, 12:49 PM 

the horizontal driver is not the flyback. it just drives the HOT. the HOT makes flyback develop high voltage. so it sounds like maybye you did not have to replace the flyback. anyway is the tv actually dead? i need a definite (yes )or (no) answer to that question before i can help you. that way i will know what to tell you to do next.

 
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January 16 2007, 1:55 PM 

Yes right now the TV is dead (not powering on).



Initially it was dead then the tech soldered the Horizontal output drive then it worked then it went dead again after 5 days. I thought the horizontal output drive is refering to the FLYBACK so I went ahead and changed it then the TV worked back again for another 7 days (with blurr and hissing noise) and now it is back dead again.


 
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January 16 2007, 3:15 PM 

Check the H.drive Q14302/301,T14301.Q14401,Check volts at C14208 should be 150-155v range,same volts at the DRAIN of the MOSFET,also check R14104,C14127,check B+ line from pin 8 of T14101,to pin 6 of the regulator U14601,also check CR14111,R14135,

 
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January 16 2007, 4:39 PM 

Also check R14126,C14122,CR1422,C1428.

 
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January 16 2007, 4:46 PM 

check the fuses, and confirm that you do have current to tv first, then do you have any test equipment? and i need to know your skill level. you need at least (D.V.O.M.) digital-volt-ohm-meter

 
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January 16 2007, 4:52 PM 

I am trying to locate these numbers in the back and really having a hard time. I can see 3-5 letters and numbers but not as many as you indicated. Are we talking about the right chassis? I noticed that the outside cover says PTK195MB while the board itself has a metal mount that says CTC195M?
I do have a multimeter and good skill level but need some guidance to get this accomplished...thanks alot!!

 
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January 16 2007, 4:54 PM 

Yes it is a D.V.O.M...

 
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January 16 2007, 5:00 PM 

on my board there are alpha numeric grids if it is necessary to refer to the general location to some of these parts.

 
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January 16 2007, 5:23 PM 

Which part is the horizontal driver that drives the HOT?

 
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January 16 2007, 5:57 PM 

Q14302 or 14301.

 
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January 16 2007, 6:39 PM 

Is it in the general location where the FLYBACK is?

 
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January 17 2007, 9:29 AM 

Frank are you the same person that was helping me earlier under Anonymous?

 
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January 17 2007, 10:07 AM 

No , Frank is a different tech. I go by JIMMY NEUTRON I never log in because it takes to long, and it's faster not to use a name at all.

 
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January 17 2007, 10:21 AM 

So if you want me to try to help you I will, but I prefer to do it my own way and check things as I say to instead of jumping ahead with hit or miss techinques like what Frank is telling you to check. I do have the correct print on your set, and several years of RCA experence. Sincerly, Jimmy Neutron

 
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January 17 2007, 10:50 AM 

Excellent Jimmy and thank you for all the help so far!

I will be more than happy to do it in that order. Just one request, whenever you ask that a part to be replaced I will need the part number so I can purchase it (very important). I am ready when you are.


 
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January 17 2007, 3:04 PM 

If you go here you have plenty of tips on that modle# http://wa6ati.com/.

 
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January 17 2007, 5:24 PM 

I advise you to use an ISULATION TRANSFORMER on this
power supply.

 
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January 17 2007, 4:13 PM 

Ok, first i need to know if you have 156 VDC on pin 3 of T14101 , & PIN 4 OF T14101 , locations are ---A20 on board

 
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January 17 2007, 7:37 PM 

Tested T14101 for potential VDC across pin 3 and 4. I got no reading on the digital meter. The meter was oscillating back and forth with no reading registering.

Please note that T14101 on my board is located around W14 not A20. My chassis # is CTC195M

T14101 is a large coil. I loacted the number 1 on the board next to T14101 and counted from that location to identify pin 3 and 4.






 
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January 18 2007, 3:10 AM 

ok, i located another print, and the locations are like yours. is your meter set on DC volts? make sure your meter is set on proper voltage scale, make sure you have a good ground for the black lead of meter, test your meter on some batteries to confirm that the meter is working properly on DC scale, and check again, to confirm your first readings. the T14101 is a switch mode transformer, and we need approx. 145-156 volts DC on pins #3 to GRD, and pin #4 to GRD. you can get a good GRD from CR14210 (bridge rectifier), located real close to 5 amp line fuse, so double check and let me know. also if you want to give me your e-mail address we can do it quicker. J.N.

 
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January 18 2007, 5:29 AM 

OK test results are pin 3 is showing 159.3 VDC and pin 4 is showing 159.5 VDC.

Prior to the measurment checked meter reading on a 1.5 volt battery and then located the bridge rectifier CR14102 and used the (-) lead as ground. Let me know if these results are satisfactory, my email is: [email protected]


 
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January 18 2007, 1:05 PM 

OK, READINGS ARE GOOD. I SENT YOU SOME E-MAIL TODAY WITH MORE TESTING DID YOU GET IT? OUR E-MAIL SHOULD SHOW UP WHEN YOU GET THE MESSAGE, AND THEN WE WILL WORK FROM THAT. JIMMY

 
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January 18 2007, 2:45 PM 

Yes I got one e-mail from you but it did not have any instruction for further testing. Sent you a reply. let me know if you got it.

Best Regards!

 
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January 18 2007, 3:44 PM 

YES I GOT IT ,SO FROM NOW ON WE WILL VIA E-MAIL.

 
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January 18 2007, 10:34 PM 

Sounds good!

 
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March 3 2012, 7:05 PM 

Hi JIMMY NEUTRON ..I need your support with this chassis ..I have a similar issue ..but i cant follow up your instructions because you did not post here you sent email to Haitham..The chassis have 156 VDC on pin 3 of T14101 , & PIN 4 OF T14101 but not in 8,i verify everything around the IC U14101 but are ok..the voltage on pin 6 si oscillating between 8-11 volt..Thanks in advance

 
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