In case you haven't noticed, UPNG has become like a high school in most respects. To call it a university is to invite people to laugh their heads off.
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seriously..where is the upng website..I have been trying to contact Student Services to put me through geology department and they are or no use..Even the secretary does'nt know the extension number to geology secretary's office
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@diwai...hold your breadth. UPNG is not a copy, cut and paste University and does not promote easy earned degrees in two months!!!. I am, like many, many , many professionals are products UPNG and I am proud of it.
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UPNG is still the Premier university of South Pacific. This is undisputed. Those of us who attended the country's top institution do not disregard others who attended other universities. We respect your education and your institution so don't undermind UPNG because of your own insecurity.
When you put it in a global perspective, Cambridge University still has it's name.
Likewise in the South Pacific and in PNG you'd be priviledged to attend UPNG.
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It was left for you to pick up, what you are good at I guess.
Sometimes you have to invent your own words. That's why we hear of great inventions.
General knowledge is for everyone. The word is my invention so I own it.
Think outside.
Cheers!
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What you said about thinking outside the box works for ideas, not writings.
When you write someone else's language (english is not our original language) and write wrongly, then those for whom english is their first and main language will always look down on us, call us ignorant and uneducated, or even primitive.
We decided as a society to join the white man's world. That means we have to play by their rules and beat them at it. If we don't, they'll always laugh at us and we'll always feel like second or third class.
Once you play by the white man's rules and they accept us, then we can be unconventional and do some things outside the box. But if we try that at first, we will always be put down.
Of course the alternative is to make tok pisin our national language, make our own rules and forget about what outsiders say - because they won't know our rules for our own language.
Don't contribute to the image that PNGians are uneducated and dumb. Please.
BTW UPNG used to be the best and is now far worse than USP. If you don't believe, go over to the office of higher education and get a copy of the recent report by Rabbie Namaliu who states bluntly that our PNG universities suck - all of them. Even Divine Word is pretty bad compared to the quality of colleges in the outside world.
None of our universities should actually be called universities!
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Good discussion, but why are PNG uni and technical graduates (Drs, Geologists, Engineers, Surveyors, Fitters, and etc) are so demanding in overseas markets like Australia?
Some of these qualifications are accredited to those of premier universities in countries like Australia and New Zealand. PNG tertiary institutions are still good at producing some quality professionals.
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Firstly, you're exaggerating. Only recent UPNG geologists, from the geology department, can easily get jobs overseas. The rest are only getting jobs if they are highly experienced AND/OR are earlier graduates. Many schooled at some point in Australia or elsewhere overseas.
How on earth could you possibly even imagine that our graduates would be competitive against those produced by overseas institutions considering:
-that most uni classes in PNG don't even have a required, accompanying textbook. Instead the students must rely on lower quality reading materials or lecture notes alone.
-the state of the uni libraries. Have you been inside one recently and noticed?
Anyone who has been at UPNG (and to a lesser extent UNITECH) during the 1990's or before can tell you immediately how badly our unis have deterioriated.
If our graduates found it so easy to get jobs overseas, then why isn't the LNG project hiring them at expat rates? Because the quality skilled PNG labour doesn't exist. Thus, the LNG project is hiring literally thousands of foreigners, from pipefitters all the way up to technical skilled people and higher management, not PNGians. Why? Because the skilled labour IS NOT THERE.
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Re: Our graduates mostly couldn't make it overseas
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December 13 2011, 2:48 PM
@TD,
You are right.We lack the skills but that does not mean PNGeans are stupids.I can honestly say that PNGeans are naturally intellegent people.I have wroked overseas, only to find most expatriates are stupids too.PNGeans have the brians!!.Part of the problem is that graduates are not challenged to the maximum to bring out the best in them.Universities are under funded,cannot attract highly skilled professors and retain them.Courses are not aglined to indutry practies to give students the required skills in practical worklife experience to face the real challenges.These and many other factors contribute to the low skill level in graduates from PNG Universities.What is required ia an overhaul for our universities including funding to match international standards.Only then can we produce best students.
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December 13 2011, 6:49 PM
TD and Streetman, some of your comments are true esp. labour shortage in PNG in light of the LNG project. Just bear in mind that this type of project is new to the country and chances of finding local experience is off course very slim. But it's good for a living experience to learn those skills from the expatriates hired for this particular project.
University Graduates,
Yes TB you are right, you have to gain that PNG work experience for at least a couple of years prior to seeking jobs overseas. If you are lucky, you may get a job straight from UNI on graduate schemes, but I doubt is unluckily. By saying this, where was the initial qualification attained from? "PNG Tertiary Institutions".
If students realised that learning materials are inadequate at UNIs, the trick is try their best to pass the course and find a decent job. In doing so, they’ll learn all that skills at work that can put them in the right direction and forget what was learn in school.
From Experience
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December 13 2011, 9:22 PM
Better still, students should be activist like they used to be and DEMAND a better education from the government. Instead they are silent or even appreciate the fact that the teachers are lax.
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