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PNG proverbs

March 14 2012 at 2:06 PM
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Hi all!
Could anyone tell where to find some proverbs / wisdom quotes from the Melanasian culture? I'm especially interested in the Islands communities.

Thanks a lot for your help!

 
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Karuka

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March 14 2012, 3:56 PM 

One from the central highlands.

If you put out the eyes of a pig that habitually breaks fences and raids peoples' gardens, it will still look for ways to break in when blind because it is naturally inclined to do so.

A thief will always be a thief regardless, whether he/she is exposed, caught or punished. Quite evident with PNG's white collar thieves and robbers.

 
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March 14 2012, 6:06 PM 

Masta bilong Ostrelia em i gat tupela pes. (One from the Taim Bilong Masta)

Hahaha......Ralph.

 
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Da Beach

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March 14 2012, 8:38 PM 

GOOD ONES!

There is an old proverb from Mekeo that those who promise to help, then disappear for awhile, never had the intention to help.

 
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EllenG

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March 14 2012, 10:21 PM 

Heard this saying, a few times, in different ways, around PNG:

"Pik em i bikpela samting."

"Boroma be gau badana".

A pig is a big thing.

 
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em

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March 15 2012, 12:15 AM 

The proverb you're talking about can also apply to many of our politicians.

 
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Can you explain these proverbs?

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October 24 2013, 5:49 AM 

I am working on a paper regarding Papua New Guinea/Melanesian Proverbs and would love to use these proverbs as illustrations, but it would be really helpful if i could understand the meaning of the proverbs more fully.

The first proverb listed has a great explanation that helps me to more fully understand the meaning, does
anyone know the meanings of the other ones?

Also any other Melanesian or PNG proverbs and their explanations would be great.

Thanks!

 
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Ok

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October 24 2013, 6:43 AM 

Mr Wright.

To understand my one, you have to look at the historical context of the occupation of PNG.

First the Germans. Often referred to by the PNG lapuns (old men) when I was a young bloke. as: "Taim bilong gutpela Masta." = Time of the good whiteman/Boss.

This was because you always knew where you stood. The Germans were the Masta 24/7, always were, and always would be. If you stuffed up you got beaten, and that was it. Any young German soldier showing interest in any of the local ladies, was shipped home so fast his feet never touched the ground.

Then the Australians came. They would be your friend one day, and the ranting cranky (mad) Masta the next. They would bed the local ladies at will, without asking permission of anyone. This caused a lot of ill feeling. The local ladies were too overawed by the whitey, to refuse. How would you or I feel, if this person you had never seen before, came into your village, and started screwing your sister, girlfriend or whoever?

So thus: "Masta bilong Ostrelia I gat tupela pes."

The Australian Boss has two faces. (is two faced, if you will)

Regards......Ralph.

 
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Da Beach

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October 24 2013, 6:49 AM 

Wantok,
can you do that one in Motu? My Motu is not good enough for that.

Regards......Ralph

 
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Rokrok

Here Is Another

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October 24 2013, 10:22 AM 

Em garamut na ba yu harim !

 
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What is the meaning?

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October 24 2013, 12:34 PM 

Rokrok,

Can you help me understand the deeper meaning of this one, "Em garamut na ba yu harim"? In what kind of a context might this be used?

Thanks so much!

 
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Rokrok

rough explanation

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October 24 2013, 8:01 PM 

Garamut is a slit drum . The sound is it's voice.This voice can carry long distances to announce meetings, call individuals, issue warnings, and even contact neighboring villages.... More than just an instrument, this drum is central to the lives the entire community.

however some people are very subtle even to the point of soundlessness to achieve a goal , thereby you can say - Em Garamut na ba yu harim(?) Said in a question or statement form.


Rough translation [ Is it a drum that you will hear ? ]


A good example is when a good girl of social standing gets pregnant & everyone is like , what the ... she was having an affair with that guy all along and we didn't know about it ?

That is when you come in and say 'Wonem (what) ? Em garamut na ba yu harim'


It can be use in other context to.Usually about the community having little to no clue or evidence about something.But it's happening.


 
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Tankyu Tru!

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October 24 2013, 12:31 PM 

Ralph Hamilton,
Thanks so much for that explanation, that was very helpful. Do you have any insight into the full meaning of the "pik i bikpela samting" proverb??
Thanks!

 
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October 25 2013, 2:45 AM 

Mr Wright,
I will attempt to explain the "Pik I bigpela samting" - one.

However, I feel it is a bit presumptuous of me to do so. I defer to any PNG person who wishes to explain it.

The way I see it: In traditional village life, a pig has/had great importance as a symbol of wealth and power. The pig is the centrepiece of any exchange of goods, such as bride Price, or kompensashun claim.(compensation) Before the coming of the whitey, and money, a typical Bride Price might be so, many pigs, so many Kina shells, so many chooks, so many taro, and so on. In the Highlands, a pig would probably have had more value than a wife. (My opinion)

Therefore a pig had immense value in more ways than one, both social and monetary. Therefore, "Pik i bikpela samting" is an allegory,(metaphor) and an allusion to a matter of great importance. It could also be a sarcastic observation of a fat overfed politician. ie. He looks like a fat pig, and thinks he is amazingly important too. This latter meaning is a new one though, and did not come about until recent years, and the advent of the Modified Westminster form of Government (Parliament)

The addition of words and meanings happens all the time. Tokpisin is linguistically a "Creole" and is a living, breathing, developing language. The only languages which do not develop are dead ones. eg. Latin. Although even Latin can be extended to describe a cigarette - Un fistula tabaci grabi.:) I must not start on languages, linguistics, and the ethnology thereof. I could ramble on forever.

Aufwiedersehen......Ralph.







 
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de' Vice-1

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October 25 2013, 2:35 AM 

here are a few modern ones:

"ronim tewel blo em" - scare the whatsitcall outa him/her?
"mi kaikai lewa* blo yu" - (*o samla arapla part blo body) - ??? i dig u passionately???
"yu kam gud eh" - yu the answer to my desires???
"yu karim yah!" - yu got it (whatever i desire) all??
"em igat namba" -......
"lapun na whip yet" -.....

etc...(add on)

 
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Whip?

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October 26 2013, 8:21 PM 

@de Vice-1.

I thought it was wip not whip.

ie. Lapun na wip yet.

"wip" is a prime example of a new word. It is not in any dictionary of Tokpisin, I have seen.

Am I mistaken in the meaning.

Lapun na wip yet = Old man yes, but I can still get it up.

Yu tok mi harim yu......Ralph.

 
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October 27 2013, 9:03 AM 

I did that badly. I was doing something else simultaneously.

My translation was in the first person.

ie. Mi lapun ya, na mi gat wip yet.

I'm old yes, but I can still get it up.(If need be/If needs must)

 
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disgusted

Expats will always be protected on pngscape

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November 3 2013, 9:43 AM 

PNG voices will be wiped out but Ralph's voice will be allowed to stand.

PNGSCAPE is a dead site condemed to the rubbish bin of websites thanks to this kind of attitude.

 
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Resident Gay Stalker at it again!

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November 3 2013, 10:41 AM 

Rubbish bin of dead websites??? You sound like the resident gay, muslim, stalker, who trolls around on this site ready to castigate anyone who does not measure up to you own views and opinions.

Get stuffed wanker!!

 
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Mr Wright

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November 3 2013, 1:48 PM 

Mate,
you can see the crap one has to put up with, when one tries to help.

This site, is verily, the disinformation and abuse site.

A couple of suggestions. Search for the Mihalic Project. Fr. Frank Mihalic wrote The Dictionary and Grammar of Melanesian Tokpisin. You should be able to get a copy from a second hand book site. If you want, I will give you the address of a book store I have used before, they are very good.

Divine Word University at Madang has a repository of Tokpisin papers. There may be a charge, but you can probably get copies of some.It may however involve a trip to Madang to browse through them. No hardship though, Madang is beautiful. The Uniting Church used to have the Tokpisin Bibel, a project in which I had the privilege to play a minor part.

I also have a copy of Little Red Riding Hood in Tokpisin. "Liklik Rotpela Hat". It is on that soft floppy vinyl. If I can get it copied onto DVD, I will give you a copy. It is one of the few things I salvaged from the 2011 flood. Ah! Memorabilia.

Regards......Ralph.

 
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Mr Max

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November 7 2013, 2:52 AM 

You'll never get that book copied onto a DVD. You're as fullabullashits with your promises as the Mekeo meri! :-)

 
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Are you offering to help?

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November 7 2013, 6:31 AM 

@Mr Max,
are you offering to help wantok?

The problem is dubbing it. The heavy "professional" type playing heads for records a will rip it up. As I mentioned, the "disk" a thin soft piece of plastic, about as flexible as a rolled out Pizza base, before it is cooked. It is also extremely thin. I have not found a commercial studio in Brissie that will attempt it.

I am not about to trust it to some amateur dickhead, who thinks he knows it all. Unless, of course, I am sure of his technical skills, and the quality of the equipment he has to play it. As you may or may not imagine - I usually find you abusive naysayers usually have the perspicacity of a stuffed oyster - the disk is irreplaceable.

I have the text written down. So as a last resort, I could probably get a fluent Tokpisin speaker to narrate it, and re-record it. God knows how much that would cost. I have not had a quote for that. I imagine a professionally done "master" DVD, or some other form of media would not break the bank.

You see mate. I have always been the bloke who does things. This, of course, leaves the armchair critics free to criticize every move I make, and to parse every syllable I utter.

Regards......Ralph.

 
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Mr Max

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November 7 2013, 6:38 PM 

OK then stop acting like you're promising things to others that you now tell us would be virtually impossible to deliver no matter what! Do you chatter on endlessly because it has always been your habit or because you're going senile? And why do you assume we love seeing your chitter chatter everywhere on scape?

 
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Anonymous

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November 8 2013, 4:23 AM 

No no I think wat Ralphs saying is all you PNG kants need help!

 
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@Mr Max

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November 10 2013, 2:11 AM 

Na yu tu wantok.

Yu mekim wanem lo halvilim dispela waitman Wright?

The reason I posted the bit about the disk, is that I was hoping someone might have some suggestions, or perhaps offer to do the reading for recording purposes. I need someone with a fairly neutral accent. ie. The highlanders (Ialabuan) accent is a bit too broad.

My Australian accent, precludes the possibility of my doing it.

Yu tok mi harim yu......Ralph.

PS. I have already rung all over Brissie.

PPS. The reading will pay the princely sum of $0.00. Although I will buy whoever, lunch, and a skinful of good Scotch. (Single Malt of course)

 
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Anonymous

Philma Kelegai's idea for "Ialibu University"

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November 14 2013, 11:09 AM 

Philma has put forward her advice for the newly proposed "Ialibu University"

She's proposed:

A Bar and Nightclub

A Sauna and Spa

A Strippers and Pole Dancing Club

A Gay and Lesbian Sex Education Unit

An Anal Sex Health Clinic

A Bondage and Discipline Dungeon

And she also claimed its all her land and she should be paid 5 Trillion Kina before any plan or post is put in!

O and free Dildos for Ialibu gurls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
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Ralph Hamilton

GO FOR IT

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November 14 2013, 11:22 PM 

Daniel,

You know I always like your style.

That's why I refrained from criticising you most of the time.

Congratulations this was one of your better postings.

Regards..... Ralph

 
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November 15 2013, 7:31 AM 

Good one wantok,
your cut n paste skills are superb.

Everyone knows, that I too disapprove, of Danny's postings about the Kelagais. You will not achieve anything by that, except by fools as great as yourself.

Nice try......Ralph.

 
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November 15 2013, 12:33 PM 

Whooooooaaaaaaa!!! You have shown to us how much you disapprove of that crazy man's postings?!?????????? Like what you done Mr Always Right? You were asked to help contact the victims and you did nothing, peabrain!!!!!!!

 
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Thumbs down

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November 15 2013, 1:59 PM 

except by fools as great as yourself. (cut n paste)

You qualify......Ralph.

 
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zzzzzzzzzz

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November 17 2013, 5:28 PM 

yawn

 
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