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I am ashamed of being a hindu

May 4 2002 at 10:38 AM
JustAhumanbeing 

 
Read through many of the postings below.
Looks like it is true that this is "Kali yuga"
Poeple are so much into killing their fellows and being proud of that. And numbers are being counted
grouped by hindu and muslim.
Great............great india ... great people...

And there is a goverment supporting killings their own citizens, A goverment devoted their entire agenda to building a temple when millions of people are starving , wowwwwwwwwww
And if this this govt: focussed their energy to find out the terroistes and just hang them , instead of killing the innocents I would have been happiest about it. Instead their are not much worried about those committed the crime , but just killing the innocents and thus spreading the violence to all the country and thus getting some more seats.
What a politics..
I pray to all gods both in hindu and muslim and all others to not make me born as a hindu again and not in this country .. I AM SO ASHAMED..

 
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Re: I am ashamed of being a hindu

May 4 2002, 11:34 AM 

I'll second that...except for the
'ashamed to be a Hindu' part...

Thank you
Suraj

 
 
MeTooAshamed

Really?

May 4 2002, 11:41 AM 

>I pray to all gods both in hindu and muslim and all others to not make me born as a hindu again and not in this country .. I AM SO ASHAMED..

Me too pray to Gods that this "gandi naali ka keeda" be born just the same in his next "janam", but literally.

 
 
Rana

Oh

May 4 2002, 2:10 PM 

You must have been proud to be Hindu when thousands of Hindus were getting killed in Kashmir.

You never felt to be ashemed of being what you are isnt' it?

Shame on such Hindus (you are not) who are proud when they get killed. you must also be proud of Godhra Kilings.

Rna

 
 
Godfather

Please change your religion

May 4 2002, 2:41 PM 

Mr.Ashemed

Please change your religion as fast as possible. There are many more violent religions around in this world. You can also get some terrorist training if you change the religion which you won't in hinduism.

Strat praying:
"I shall kill every innocent in the name of my new religion that has been following this for centuries"

"I shall kill every infidel in this world that does not follow my GOD"

Also note, Hinduism doe not have concept of infidels so you must change your religion soon to show your true humanity hidden in you.

Please act soon.

Thanks.

 
 
Vinayak

To all ashamed - Read this story from Washington Post

May 4 2002, 10:26 PM 

Indonesia was a land following Hinduism and Buddhism. Still people have Hindu Names and Ramayana played IN SOME AREAS - WHICH COULD NOT BE CONVERTED BY ISLAMIC ZEALOTS, BREAKING TEMPLES TO MAKE MASJIDS or people still following Hinduism, Buddhism.

Today, Indonesia is the largest Muslim populated country. The trends are clear - Jihad and move towards Sharia.

All ashamed - please CONVERT TO ISLAM IMMEDIATELY, BUY BURQA FOR YOUR WIVES AND SISTERS, STOP SENDING GIRLS IN YOUR FAMILY TO SCHOOL, FOLLOW SHARIA AND POSSIBLY TRY TO HAVE FOUR WIVES if you still have one - have dozen children (if you still have one or two), do not send them to school, teach jihad and to kill non-violent people like us.

Ashamed people have double standards - they do not shed even crocodile tears for people being killed in Kashmir or being forced to live as refugees in Delhi, Jammu but weep for Gujarat forgetting that it started with Godhara.....
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A30296-2002May3.html

washingtonpost.com

Indonesian-Style Taliban Fights for Islamic Law
Radical Groups Challenge Secular Traditions

By Rajiv Chandrasekaran
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, May 4, 2002; Page A01


TASIKMALAYA, Indonesia -- The Taliban Brigade stormed into the hotel lounge shortly before midnight, wielding rattan canes and screaming "God is great!"

As patrons cowered under the rickety wooden tables, and the leather-clad singer bolted off the stage, witnesses said, three dozen young men in flowing white robes swung their sticks at beer mugs and highball glasses. Then they charged into the kitchen to seize the hotel's liquor supply, carting off several cases of beer and two bottles of whiskey.

"This is a Muslim country," the leader of the mob shouted as his minions smashed everything in sight, according to a hotel employee. "We forbid you to drink alcohol."

The Taliban Brigade, whose connection with Afghanistan's erstwhile rulers is in ideology only, regards itself as a vanquisher of vice in this small city near the southern coast of Java island. Members raid nightclubs and cafes to stamp out drinking and gambling. They ransack shops suspected of selling pornographic video discs. And they sweep through hotels, rounding up prostitutes and shaving their heads.

The Taliban Brigade is part of a growing network of groups seeking to turn socially moderate Indonesia, a Southeast Asian archipelago that is home to more Muslims than any other country, into a strict Islamic nation. Its members -- students and teachers from Islamic boarding schools -- want to abolish the country's secular legal system and replace it with a version of sharia, the Islamic law that would ban the sale of alcohol, require women to wear head scarves and permit courts to order the amputation of thieves' hands.

Although efforts to enact sharia nationwide remain the subject of much dispute and little progress, its advocates have become some of the most vocal players in Indonesia's nascent democracy. They also have employed stealth. Using a new law that gives localities more autonomy, they have quietly enacted parts of their agenda in cities and jurisdictions similar to counties without approval from the central government.

In Tasikmalaya, the Taliban and a coalition of conservative Muslim organizations have persuaded the district governor to issue a host of edicts, from barring vehicular traffic near the main mosque during midday prayers on Friday to requiring that elementary and high school students, no matter what religion, receive a certificate of proficiency in Islamic studies. The governor also has urged women to cover their hair, and he has called for public swimming pools to be segregated by.

The Taliban, whose weekly raids are condoned by the police, also has imposed and enforced local sharia regulations, declaring a zero-tolerance policy toward alcohol, gambling, pornography and prostitution.

"If we see it, we will destroy it or we will confiscate it," insisted Mohammed Zainal Mutaqqien Aziz, a religious teacher who heads the Taliban Brigade, which was formed in 1998 and takes its name from the Arabic word for student. "These sorts of sinful things are not fit for Tasikmalaya."

Unlike in much of the Muslim world, the growth of religious extremism in Indonesia has largely been an indigenous phenomenon, owing more to the country's helter-skelter transition to democracy than to funding from outside groups. With rising poverty and lawlessness, fueled by economic stagnation and political infighting, an increasing slice of the population has started to view radical Islam as a panacea.

Conservative Muslim leaders said they have been aided by the U.S. campaign against terrorism, which is seen by many in Indonesia as a fight against Islam. Membership in their groups has swelled in recent months, they said.

"America's actions have united Muslims," said Jafar Umar Thalib, the leader of Laskar Jihad, a hard-line militia that has fought to evict Christians and implement sharia elsewhere in Indonesia, primarily in the former Spice Islands.

Although the Taliban, the Laskar Jihad and other groups are on the fringes of politics and society, government officials and mainstream Muslim leaders worry that extremists are nudging the world's fourth-most-populous country away from its moderate traditions and secular roots.

"The radical groups may be small in number, but they're very strong in influence," said Ulil Abshar-Abdullah, director of the Liberal Islam Network, a coalition of moderate Muslim leaders. "They have enormous power to shape the agenda."

Diplomats said they believe fears of a backlash from fundamentalist organizations -- which make little secret of their admiration for Osama bin Laden and their abhorrence for America -- have stalled the government's pursuit of suspected terrorists. In the most notable example, Indonesian police recently opted not to arrest a prominent cleric alleged to be the ideological leader of an al Qaeda-linked terrorist group that plotted to blow up several Western embassies in Singapore. Indonesian officials contend that attempting to do so without incontrovertible evidence, which they said they do not possess, would spark massive protests.

"The government is being held hostage by the extremists," said an Asian diplomat in Jakarta, the capital. "Nobody wants to take them on."

The rise of conservative Islam seems a clear trend in a country that has long prided itself in having the world's most liberal Muslims. In Jakarta, where billboards tout Bintang beer and feature scantily clad models, more young women are opting to wear head scarves, more men show up at mosques for Friday prayers and more families are fasting during Ramadan, according to Muslim leaders.

In a recent survey conducted by the State University of Islamic Studies, 58 percent of respondents across the country said they supported the idea of transforming Indonesia into an Islamic state run by Muslim clerics. More than 60 percent said the government should implement some form of sharia. But the survey also found that a sizable majority are opposed to other changes sought by suchgroups as the Taliban Brigade, including arresting Muslims who do not fast during Ramadan and having police ensure that Muslims pray five times a day.

Although President Megawati Sukarnoputri and most of parliament remain opposed to imposing sharia nationwide, the government has permitted local officials in Aceh, a province on the northern tip of Sumatra island, to adopt a limited form of sharia in an effort to wrest popular support from separatist rebels. As a first step, they ordered residents last month to follow a new dress code -- women have to cover all parts of their body except their face, hands and the soles of their feet. The officials said they were forming a religious police force to enforce the rules.

The question of how much sharia is enough, and how much is too much, is emerging as one of the most contentious issues in this young democracy of more than 220 million people.

Tasikmalaya, located about 150 miles southeast of Jakarta, provides a preview of the broader fight. Here, the debate over sharia already is wrenching politicians, religious leaders, business owners and ordinary people.

"This is the most important test for the future of this country," said Abshar-Abdullah lam Network. "It's a test of whether moderate or conservative Islam will prevail."

Democracy Vs. Sharia
Islam arrived in the islands that now Indonesia about 700 years ago, with traders from India and the Middle East schooled in the moderate Sufi branch of the religion. Because it was not imposed by conquerors, the new adherents were not compelled to renounce their Buddhist, Hindu and indigenous religious practices. The result was a hybrid form of Islam that coexisted with local traditions.

But by the end of the 19th century, as more Indonesian Muslims traveled to Arab countries and interacted with orthodox Muslims, a more conservative variety of Islam began to take hold. By 1945, when Indonesia won its independence from the Netherlands, liberal and conservative Muslims struggled for dominance. The conservatives demanded that the new constitution include a clause requiring Muslims to practice sharia. But moderate Muslim nationalists, led by the founding president, Sukarno, instead enacted an anti-sharia ideology called pancasila that accommodated five state-recognized religions: Islam, Catholicism, Protestantism, Hinduism and Buddhism.

Sukarno's successor, Suharto, was more aggressive in suppressing Muslim groups that were seen threatening the state. Advocacy of an Islamic state was deemed subversion. Hundreds of Muslim leaders were jailed and publications were banned. Muslim political parties had to pledge fealty to the government.

But when the Suharto dictatorship ended in 1998 after 32 years, and Indonesia embarked on a turbulent democratic transition, all those restrictions evaporated. Suddenly, clerics and political parties were free to renew their calls for sharia.

"Pancasila has been a disaster for our country," said Irfan S. Awwas, the leader of the Indonesian Mujahadeen Council. "We are the world's biggest Muslim country. It is our right to be governed by sharia."

Awwas spent 13 years in prison on subversion charges during Suharto's reign for promoting sharia. Now he holds pro-sharia rallies across the country.

The growth of the Mujahadeen Council and other conservative groups has been fueled in part by a feeling that radical Islam is the prescription to quell the poverty, crime and other social problems that have wracked Indonesia since Suharto's downfall.

"With him gone, we are supposedly in a period of reform, but it's not changing people's lives," said Ubaydillah Salman, the managing editor of Sabili, a Muslim magazine that has written glowing stories about the Taliban Brigade. "People are frustrated, and they see Islam as the answer to all their problems."

The Laskar Jihad, like fundamentalist Islamic groups in the Palestinian territories and elsewhere in the Arab world, has won new members because it has set up health clinics and schools in poor communities. Sharia supporters also say strict Islamic punishments will combat crime.

Political parties that support the implementation of sharia have made headway. The leader of the largest such party was elected vice president last year, and collectively, the parties control 24 percent of the seats in parliament. Still, most political leaders and the country's largest Muslim groups have refused to bend to demands to impose sharia.

"It's a simple-minded solution for our very complicated problems," said Ahmad Syafii Maarif, the chairman of Muhammadiyah, a Muslim social organization with 10 million members. "Adopting sharia will just divide our society further."

Activists promoting sharia have set their sights not on the national parliament in Jakarta but on smaller cities such as Tasikmalaya, which have recently been given expanded lawmaking powers by the central government. Last year, after being lobbied by a coalition of pro-sharia groups, the local legislature passed a five-year plan that calls for Tasikmalaya to develop as a center of Islamic values.

"Religious preaching and government policies should go hand in hand," said the governor of Tasikmalaya, Tatang F. Hakim. "It is our responsibility to follow the demands of the people."

But Abdul Fatah Syamsuddin, leader of the pro-sharia Islamic Youth Forum, said local police have been slow to enforce laws against prostitution and pornography. And, he said, the police have not cracked down on alcohol sales because a law banning liquor is still being debated by the legislature.

"That's why the Taliban Brigade is important," he said. "They are taking matters into their own hands."

A City Transformed
After expounding on the benefits of sharia for an hour in his living room, Zainal Mutaqqien, the Taliban Brigade leader, jumped out of his chair and unlocked a large wooden cabinet to the right of a poster of bin Laden.

Out came a bottle of Johnnie Walker Black Label Scotch whisky, followed by a jug of Burgundy, a flask of creme de cacao, some creme de menthe and a liter of Cointreau.

"This is what we've seized," he gushed. "This shouldn't be allowed in Tasikmalaya."

Sensing his boss's excitement, an aide rushed off to retrieve a plastic bag containing dozens of pornographic video discs, including volumes one through six of a compilation titled "American Hard-Core."

"Nobody should be watching this filth," he said.

The governor's edicts and exhortations, as well as the Taliban Brigade's raids, have transformed this city and the surrounding district, a lush farming region that is home to 2 million people. Women who used to walk through the market with their long hair waving in the wind now wear scarves. Karaoke parlors, theaters and cafes have shut down. The restaurant at the Mahkota Hotel, like almost every eatery here, has stopped offering liquor.

At the Sinta Cafe, only one table was occupied on a recent Friday night. The management stopped serving liquor six months ago after two Taliban Brigade warnings. Beer, said entertainment manager Deni Wardiana, was still available but was not on the menu.

"What's wrong with a drink?" he said. "It should be up to people to choose."

But several residents and business owners said they were unwilling to confront the Taliban Brigade or even talk to government officials.

"People are too scared," said Reni, a secretary who was sipping a beer with her daughter and son-in-law at the Sinta Cafe. "The Taliban have connections with the police."

During the day, Reni said, she wears loose clothes and a head scarf. At the cafe, however, she was dressed in a tight pink top, her coifed bob uncovered. "Not wearing a head scarf doesn't mean I don't love Allah," she noted.

© 2002 The Washington Post Company

 
 

I am a proud sanatani Hindu

May 10 2002, 2:37 AM 

To all those who are ashamed of Hindu retaliation, I would say one thing;;

STOP YOUR APOLOGETIC ATTITUDE AND POSTINGS.
WE HINDUS ARE ASHAMED OF SUCH SORRY INDIVIZUALS WHO DO NOT CARE FOR THE INNOCENT HINDUS KILLED IN KASHMIR OR BANGLADESH.

 
 
AProudHindu

changeyourreligionatonce

May 12 2002, 10:01 AM 

We dont need any more apologist Hindus than we alrteady have. Better fewer Hindus but proud ones.

What happened in Gujarat has nothing to do with Hinduism. It has something to do with anti-social elements taking revenge. Stop blaming the religion.

Better you convert to Islam because no Muslim has come out saying the Godhra killings made them ashamed of being Muslim.


 
 

Re: I am ashamed of being a hindu

May 12 2002, 12:23 PM 

If you are , then so be it. You have every right to change your religion. There is nothing 2 b ashamed of being a hindu. Incidents like killings in Gujarat have happened in various places in world and have very little to do with religion than anti-social elements taking advantage and creating mayem and havoc and bringing bad name to country.
You can change to any other religion and I bet you will soon be ashamed of that too....

 
 
Gajanan Deshpande

This guy was not a Hindu

May 16 2002, 1:23 PM 

It is very common for the Islamic fundamentalists to pose as Hindus and write such things. This case is one of them. Otherwise there was no reason for this person to write "Only a human being" as his/her name.
I was born a Hindu. I don't practice the religion and I don't believe in god. However, I believe, Hinduism is one of the most tolerant religions in the World. The only more tolerant religions are Jainism and Buddhism. How so ever the followers of these two religions may deny it, they are an offshoot of Hinduism.
Please practice the Hinduism proudly. Hinduism teaches a lot of good values. There were other things Hindus should have been ashamed of, like casteism, Sati and treatment of women. These things have been corrected to a large extent. Hindus are an enlighted society in the Urban areas of India. There is no reason to be ashamed of anything now.
Those who still believe Hindus should be ashamed should check whether the Saudis are ashamed of Islam due to 9/11. They have a lot to hand their heads for, not just 9/11.
-Thanks
-Gajanan Deshpande


 
 
ScrollHater

Ashamed? U must be the only one!

May 22 2002, 12:58 AM 

As a request, can persons not post full articles, please? It adds to scrolling and defeats the whole purpose of Hyperlinks. Onto the main point. How can you ashamed to be a Hindu when Hinduism as a religion had nothing to do with this carnage. This was the natural outburst of a long pent up majority in reaction to the continuing pandering to minorities in the name of securlarism. Hinduism (and Buddhism and Jainism) is the only religion to not have an organized conversion - the likes of 'Jihad' and 'Crusades'. Hinduism IS the most peaceful religion - not by theory, but by practice. Which other religion has endured centuries of oppression without any tangible response at all? If yr ashamed of what happened in Gujarat, are you proud of what happens in Kashmir?

 
 
DP

Hypocrite!

May 22 2002, 1:08 AM 

This guy is crap. S/He must be one of those arty-type hypocrites who refuse to acknowledge reality and go around moralizing and sermonizing to everyone. One of those who thinks they're 'enlightened' if they go around saying crap like 'I'm ashamed to be ....'. Go open your eyes to the inequalities that exist today. Where's your shame when Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh are tormented and subjected to all kinds of abuse - from beatings, rape, mutilitation to murder? Where was your shame when the train was burnt? What about Kashmir? Where else in the world are people not allowed to shout slogans in praise of their own country (Bharat Mata ki jai), because a particularly community is offended?! Why the hell we tolerate this as a community or as a nation, I have no clue. My advice: anyone who's offended by 'Bharat Mata ki Jai' be packed off to Paki-land post haste and let these arty type hypocrites go with 'em. We have no need of such useless people! For anyone who still needs convincing, go to Stop Islam for more information on how this world, not only India, is heading towards a crazy future.

 
 
Chandrasekhar

Proud to be a Hindu

July 15 2002, 12:40 PM 

I shall be born as a Hindu again and again and experience the beauty of my religion. If u are really interested in Knowing what Hinduism spend time and effort to know what it is.



 
 
Sandeep Khurana

Why it happens with Hindus?

July 15 2002, 7:27 PM 


From Golden Sparrow,land of material and spiritual prosperity what India has become today? Who is responsible for that and what can we do to attain that status again.

Lets start by pondering about the reason of religion in this world..Great men created cults and made some rules which are supposed to help human beings spend their life comfortable and free from Griefs. These cults ( Christianity, Islam etc) became religions over a period of time.

But one horrible thing also happened ..the principles of these cults/religions were made based on the conditions of societies at that time. Whosoever were leaders of these religions never had a forsight to see the future..consider this..

Christians pray to God for their food and to take responsibilities for their sins ...(why do they commit the sins at first plae)

Islam..no need to mention abt this disease on this earth.

See, the followers of these religions are MORE involved in making the ppl from other religion to conver to their religion by hook or crook. Examples is JIhad (my foot) concept in Islam and coversions by christian missionaries all over the world.

Now compare this with Hindu religion..
The creators of Hindu philosophy laid all emphasis on making the principles which lead a human to mental, physical , material and spiritual upliftment. Those principles are valid in all ages..in all eras and for everyone.
( But we should remember that being the oldest religion, it has got polluted for many reasons..many superstitions and bad things are being practised in the name of Greatest religion. )

See the result now...Islam is being associated with Hatred and violence. Christanity is associated wityh hypocracy..the Church fathers are raping minor boys and gals all over ..although this has been reported in US only..Vetican spend LOTS OF MONEY all over the world for converion to Chrtistianity
Also even Historians agree tha JESUS went to India and met Rishis ..from there he got some knowledge.

But on the other Hand see Hindu religion principles..all over the World more and more people are follwing the principles and Yoga and Vegetarianism. Ayurveda is slowly is gaining acceptance all over the globe.

No one was forced into this. They are following Hindu principles as they help people a lot in their life and they see the results.There is so much more in Hindu religion. And THATS THE STREGTH OF HINDU RELIGION.

India was ruled by Muslims( Moughuls) and then Christians (British)..everyone tried their best to eliminate this great religion ..but even after lots of cruelities and attacks not only this Greatest religion survived but spreading Love, Peace, Happiness, Prosperity all over the world...

The day is not far when Our Great Country will again become the Spritiual Guru and will be most prosperous ..materialistic and spiritual wealth vise...place in the whole Universe.

Om

 
 

That is not new?

July 19 2002, 9:30 AM 

You must been ashamed in your life more times than you can imagine. And being a Hindu,(Which I doubt) what are you wearing a "burqua"? Simple solution
to your problem, There are lof of Mullahas,Moulavis,Priests, Preachers, Bishops in this world, they will accept you in their fold willingly and happily, they need people like you to carry on their conversion "crusade". And you fit perfectly. Otherwise I can arrange another thing for you, How about a parade on a donkey? Well It should be other way actully donkey should be sitting on you instead of you sitting on a donkey, that would be a insult to a donkey.Secondly why you are hiding? Don't you have email address? or you are working off a stolen property? You are pathetic. Get a life.

 
 
kk

Be ashamed of your self

July 19 2002, 3:12 PM 

Being a hindu makes me more proud as being it is the religion co existing with other religions for 100 hundreds of years.
We did not ask for pakistan we did not kill the muslims who stayed back.

 
 
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