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the vanishing Hindus in India

August 26 2003 at 5:33 AM
krishnabaalu 

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Political lesson of demography

Sandhya Jain

The tasteless offensive by certain groups in London against Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi, the motivated uproar against the release of the accused in the Best Bakery carnage following perjury by a series of witnesses from one community, the studied silence against the massacre of Hindu fishermen in Marad, the demonisation of those who object to evangelical activities in their communities, and numerous such daily occurrences draw attention to what we must honestly concede are communal faultlines. We must also admit that, in recent times, inter-community relations have been marked more by irritability and suspicion than by harmony.




This growing communal tension merits serious introspection from academics and analysts alike. When a culture as famously tolerant and inclusivist as India's native tradition has been through centuries, begins to show stress and anguish in its modern dealings with exclusivist traditions that nonetheless claim to be peaceful and secular, there is need to examine how things have come to this pass. Obviously, there cannot be an easy answer to the question, but an honest inquiry will throw up interesting variables.



Changing demography in specifically targeted regions is one possible answer. It would be dishonest to deny that sharp changes in the demographic patterns of certain areas is not perceived as alarming by ordinary citizens, or even administrators. Given the fact that this is also a politically sensitive issue, the Indian Council of Social Science Research (ICSSR) deserves kudos for daring to fund a study on the changing religious profile of India by the Centre for Policy Studies, Chennai. Titled 'Religious Demography of India', this voluminous work is the fruit of the academic courage of Drs AP Joshi, MD Srinivas and JK Bajaj.



Striding terrain over which angels fear to tread, the trio has attempted to trace the rise and decline of religious populations in undivided India, as also present-day India, Pakistan and Bangladesh, and make projections for the future. Understandably, they have raised hackles in our effete and 'secular' groves of academia. While their methodology and statistical projections are a matter for subject experts, I feel they have drawn attention to issues of immense significance, which have hitherto been ignored in public discourse. For this reason alone, their effort deserves to be commended.



The authors have chosen to be straightforward, without being offensive, in stating the fundamentals of the matter. Simply put, their argument is that India has had a unique culture and civilisation for millennia, anchored in its native sanatan dharma, which was accepted even by foreign invaders until the advent of monotheistic creeds disrupted this ancient inclusivity and catholicity.



What is more, for all its apparent diversity and variety, Indian culture was homogenous. This is a point that deserves to be emphasised as it has been studiously effaced from public consciousness in the decades since Independence. Yet as the renowned demographer Kingsley Davis perceptively observed (1951): "Indian ideas and institutions ... resemble those of no other people. They have a peculiar shape and flavour of their own ... This peculiar culture has to some degree penetrated and pervaded nearly every part of what is geographically India. It has everywhere been affected by local, indigenous variations ... But neither the geographical nor the social barriers inside the subcontinent have been sufficient to prevent the widespread diffusion of a common, basic culture, which despite great variation is peculiar to India."



This common basic culture received its first serious rupture when Islam reached the heartland of India towards the end of the 12th century AD, with the defeat of Prithviraj Chauhan. Given the nature of the study, the authors have wisely avoided the contentious issue of forcible conversions. They have, however, observed that all Islamic rulers were unswerving in their commitment to maintain a distinct Islamic identity. Acculturation into the spiritual milieu of India was stubbornly resisted; the rulers for the first time professed a faith different (indeed, it was also opposed) to that of the populace. And with time, they sponsored the growth of a community that was similarly at variance with the native cultural ethos.



The British added a chapter to this religious heterogeneity by their systematic patronage and propagation of Christianity. But their abiding, and far more dangerous legacy, was the negation of India's civilisational homogeneity and de-legitimisation of its hoary civilisational principles.



What is equally pertinent is that Christian evangelisation has been extremely aggressive and unapologetic in the post-Indepen-dence period, as witnessed in the North-east under the patronage of Jawaharlal Nehru and his successors, and in other parts of the country. That there is a design behind conversions can be readily gauged from Pope John Paul II's acerbic remarks against the Tamil Nadu Government's recent legislation against change of faith through force, fraud or inducement.



Given the statistical parameters of the study, the authors have refrained from commenting on some of the interesting socio-economic and cultural issues that arise as a result of their projections. They have avoided the issue of India's failure to assert its ancient civilisational ethos after Independence. They have, however, candidly pointed out that religion, particularly the large presence of a religious community in compact border regions, was the cause of Partition less than six decades ago. And they have graphically established the current build-up of such religious concentrations along sensitive borders, which any police station in-charge could tell you is the result of design, not accident.



Much of the information is not new. Yet, when presented with a map and statistics, only a cynic can be unaffected by the alarming growth of Muslim presence in the border belt comprising Bahraich, Gonda, Basti, Gorakhpur and Deoria of eastern UP; Champaran, Muzaffarpur, Darbhanga, Saharsa, Purnia and Santhal Pargana districts of Bihar; West Dinajpur, Malda, Birbhum and Murshidabad of West Bengal; Goalpara, Kamrup, Darrang and Nagaon of Assam. Muslim population of this belt is said to touch 28 per cent, an increase of seven per cent in just four decades. Other pockets of high Muslim growth include western UP, Cachar (Assam) and Kolkata (West Bengal).



Among other sensitive border regions, Kerala has 23 per cent Muslims and 19 per cent Christians. The Lakshadweep Islands are predominantly Muslim (approximately 94 per cent). The Andaman and Nicobar Islands are largely Christian, as is the Northeast. Tripura has resisted evangelisation and Christians comprise less than two percent of the population (1991 figures). In Arunachal Pradesh, there is cause for alarm. Though there were no Christians in 1961, they now constitute 10 per cent of the population. Meghalaya also had a sprinkling of Christians in 1901, but by 1931 both Meghalaya and Nagaland had 10 to 15 per cent Christians. By 1951, Mizoram was almost completely Christian, as was half of Nagaland. In Manipur, Christians form 34 per cent of the population, but most outer districts are Christian.



Clearly, there is a message in the statistics which we can ignore at our own peril. In recent years, East Timor has separated from Indonesia because of religious demography. Thus, the lesson of history is that monotheistic creeds have difficulty coexisting even with sister monotheisms, let alone gentler traditions like the sanatan dharma. Barring this reality from public discourse would be a destructive ostrich-like attitude. We need to recognise the gravity of the situation, defend our civilisational presence on our borders and interiors, and take pride in our national genius.




 
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geethakrishna

some facts

August 29 2003, 11:20 PM 

Statistically speaking if the present rate of minorities growth take place
* By 2050 India will have only 50% hindu population
* By 2420 India will not have even a single hindu.
These are from organiser magazine.
Once hindu loses its majority then can these pseudosecularists speak of secularism.India will cease to be a secular nation and there will be immense duel between muslims and xtians to gain power of our country.
I think if we does'nt act wisely then we have to face the inevitable.
Again I reinforce then statement that all the woes of hindus are only by hindus,started with gandhi,the father of our nation(Islamic nation) and Nehru ,our chacha(for xtian women and islamic women)

 
 

Counter-breeding the only answer

August 30 2003, 7:56 AM 

The malthusian limits of India is 5 billion
Either have 5 kids or be forcible islamised


 
 
Ajit

Please don't have 5 kids

August 30 2003, 9:39 PM 

Convert the Muslims -- they already have hindu blood running through them

 
 
krishnabaalu

ban conversions

August 30 2003, 9:47 PM 

We Sould ban conversions that is the only answer.
the press may shout cry let them do any thing all their reactions are well anticipated. Hindus have already been branded as communal inspite of of sincere secular credentials. so what we are going to loose further? nothing!

when time passes everyone will forget and the law will prevail over.

krishnabaalu.

 
 
geethakrishna

no noteven that nmay suffice

August 31 2003, 10:45 AM 

declaring india as hindu nation and driving out the pseudo secularists mainly and ofcourse muslims and christians should only do.So I think we hindus still did'nt get independence and only by means of very great struggle we can achieve it.
vandemataram ! hare krishna !

 
 
Krishna Deva Raya

Work for economic empowerment..

August 31 2003, 7:36 PM 

Just keep working for Hindu economic empowerment and everyhting will turn around. Muslims in India will automatically start converting back to their original religion. We just need to be able to provide the security. First is to grab power from these dastardly P-secs and the Goondas whom they support like Laloo Prasad Yadav.

 
 
G.Subramaniam

Myths and facts about family planning

August 31 2003, 8:36 PM 

1. India is overcrowded
Fact = India has a population density just 60% of south korea, which is a
rich country

2. India is facing food shortage
Fact = By raising agricultural productivity to chinese levels on existing agricultural land,
India can feed 5 billion

3. The female human body cant handle more than 3 pregnancies
Fact = The female human body is designed for a maximum of 15 pregnancies and
hence 5-6 kids is
a safe number

4. Producing too many kids oppresses women
Fact = Until 1900, western women who were the most liberated, had 8 kids

5. Family Planning reduces poverty
Fact = Since 1947, Malaysia has had a much higher population growth and much
less poverty than India

6. To defeat the islamic demographic bomb,
hindus need to produce 9 kids
Fact = On Average, muslims squeeze in 1 more child hence a hindu fertility
of 5 will defeat the islamic demographic bomb

7. Muslim polygamy is the main reason for muslim demographic success
Fact = Some of the main factors are widow remarraige, divorcee remarraige,
dowry and female infanticide, all of which are lower among muslims

 
 
krishnabaalu

Re: the vanishing Hindus in India

September 1 2003, 9:24 AM 

Fact No 1:The deliberate defying of family planning by Indian Muslims is supported by the congress and the communists –

Fact No 2 : The awkward conversions of Christian Missionaries is supported and blessed by the congress and the communists.

Fact No 3: The almost wiping out of Kashmiri Pandits were the result of support to terrorism by the congress and the communists.

Fact No 4 : The complete elimination of our Cultural, Historical, and Religious moral values, Puranic stories from our school syllabus was orchestrated and successfully executed by the congress and the communists.

Fact No5: - Apart from conversions the deliberate dividing of Hindus in to upper caste and lower caste was planned in 1947 by the Nehruvian congress and the Marxists.

Tell me what is left now?? all the above has considerably reduced the Hindu population to pittant.

The above resulted in physical reduction of Hindus.
Now let us see the mental reduction of Hindus.

70% of Educated Hindus are not concerned about their religion and beliefs.
Out of this 50% of them deliberately self deprecate their own religion out of fashion and unconcerned attitude.

50% of uneducated Hindus were being cheated in thousands every day in the name of freedom and constitution etc.

of this 50% again falling victim to the allurements and conversions.

What is left now??

krishnabaalu

 
 
proud Indian

Re: the vanishing Hindus in India

September 2 2003, 8:58 AM 

I don't think all is lost. One can in a small way help in spreading the Eternal Dharma. Each step counts. As a subscriber to 'Hinduism Today', I have a send gift subscriptions to my family. With the knowledge gained from the hinduism today site, I think I am able to intelligently debate and discuss what it means to be a hindu with colleagues and friends.

 
 
Krishna Deva Raya

Re: the vanishing Hindus in India

September 2 2003, 10:07 AM 

Educated Hindus are supposed to be leading the struggle forward. But unfortunately all the education in India is McCaulised. This has been the biggest burden of Modern India.

All the businesses were given to Birla and Bajaj. Both GD Birla and Jamnalal Bajaj were very close associates of Gandhi and would always massage his feet and kiss his toes to keep his ego satisfied. The same with Nehru.

All the Schools like IIT, BITS etc. were run by these same people and hence the intelligent crop mof Hindus grow up without any knowledge of Hinduism. Ofcourse people like Rajeev Srinivasan have broken out of the mould.

All the political posts were held by Congress. Indra Gandhi was ready to even install a dictatorship. Hindu Mahasabha members were thrown into jail and torutured.

No wonder India today is like Gandhi - poor, dirty, without clothes, young girls being raped etc.

Yes the Congress is evil(expcept for a few good people like Narashimha Rao). But the BJP is also evil The BJP is the lesser evil. But it is still evil. So let us focus on Hindu Mahasabha revival.


 
 
proud Indian

Re: the vanishing Hindus in India

September 2 2003, 11:30 AM 

I totally agree with your viewpoint, Krishna Deva. Yes, a Hindu Mahasabha revival is the answer!

 
 
krishnabaalu

Re: the vanishing Hindus in India

September 3 2003, 7:13 AM 

I have been thinking of floating a seperate Hindu party since years. There is one advantage here.This new Hindu party would be running along with BJP. Once it reaches the masses and gets the required popularity the job is done./ Our dream is achieved. Because by this we can eliminate the Congress.
As we all know the congress is anti Hindu, and Hindus will vote to any party judging the economic development and other achievements and they will not get carried away by religious provocations. So it is difficult to make Hindu vote bank on the basis of religion.
so what is the advantage by eliminaing the congress by a new Hindu party? yes then the fight will remail with two Hindu party. which ever comes to power Hindu interests will be taken care of!that would be the end of Marxist hypocricy in India.
pl see my post on Sulekha - the article by Balbir kp

krishnabaalu.

 
 
krishnabaalu

Re: the vanishing Hindus in India

September 3 2003, 7:16 AM 

I have been thinking of floating a separate Hindu party since years. There is one advantage here. This new Hindu party would be running along with BJP. Once it reaches the masses and gets the required popularity the job is done./ Our dream is achieved. Because by this we can eliminate the Congress.
As we all know the congress is anti Hindu, and Hindus will vote to any party judging the economic development and other achievements. Hindus will not get carried away by religious provocations or honor So it is difficult to make Hindu vote bank on the basis of religion.
So what is the advantage by eliminating the congress by a new Hindu party? yes then the fight will remain with two Hindu party. Which ever party comes to power Hindu interests will be taken care of! That would be the end of Marxist hypocrisy in India.
Pl read - the article by Balbir kp in Sulekha.com

krishnabaalu

 
 
Krishna Deva Raya

Re: the vanishing Hindus in India

September 3 2003, 9:43 AM 

Krishna Balu,
That is a very good idea. I dont like this centralised way of doing things. In the olden days the King could not interfere with the activites of the people. His job was only to provide security from outsiders and insiders. It was the Muslims who magled our system and created the Zamindar. Almost 90% of these Zamindars used to rape women and be alcoholics. The British further consolidated this system.

I have to agree that we need many small Hindu parties forming a grand coalition. It is because everything is centralised that Hajpayee and Saudvani have been able to hijack the Hindu cause. If we had many small Hindu parties forming an alliance we will have flexibility and the best party can grow big. The BJP has been completely hijacked by Hajpayee and Saudvani. I dont know why Hajapyee loves Pakistan so much.

Just float the party and dont worry about support. Little by little it will grow. Just be sure to put it out on the web. This web site provides free web hosting - http://www.hindujagran.com

A couple of sites hosted on this are:
http://dharma.hindujagran.com/
http://gandhiexposed.hindujagran.com/

Hindu Mahasabha is also being revived. I think they are contesting in UP and Delhi in this elections.

 
 
krishnabaalu

thank you KDR

September 3 2003, 10:54 AM 

Thank u KDR
For your encouragement and moral support.

Krishna baalu.

 
 
krishnabaalu

what if we are further blamed as communal?

September 6 2003, 10:56 AM 

what if we the Hindus are further blamed as communal
inspite of being sincere secular/

 
 
krishnabaalu

the truths about secularism

September 6 2003, 11:04 AM 

truth No 1: Each and every Hindu is sincerely secular
but he is blamed as communal for the sole
reason that he is a Majority?

trutht No 2:We allowded our constitution to go Secular
for the sole reason that the Majority in
this country ARE Hindus ??

truth NO:3 When our Goddess Saraswathi was stripped
insulted by a Muslim we did not indulge in
riots and vandalism? why?
but when innocent Hindu pilgrims when they were returning from a pilgrimage they were burnt alive by the muslim goons and supported by our secular press/
why??

 
 

HInduMahasabha a great idea but...

September 6 2003, 2:50 PM 

Respected Members of the board,

The founding of a Hindu Mahasabha is a great idea but the primary focus should be on the economic and spiritual upliftment of the people. It is sad to note that many members on this board believe that they are proper activists just because they scold Mahatma Gandhi and condemn all the bad activites of other religious organisations. Let us not concern ourselves with anything other than working towards our goal of uplifting our people in India. Abstinence from foul-mouthing others will not make us pseudo-sceular. We must practice the tolerance preached in our religion but must NEVER mistake that tolerance to be the license for inaction. We should fight when there is a need and there is no greater need than NOW. But please let us abstain from bringing down Mahatma Gandhi or other great people and instead of trying to bring down other let us try to elevate ourselves.

 
 
Anonymous

Re: the vanishing Hindus in India

September 6 2003, 7:33 PM 

<<The founding of a Hindu Mahasabha is a great idea but the primary focus should be on the economic and spiritual upliftment of the people.>>

India was the greatest country economically and spiritually before the Islamic invasion of India. So there is no point in trying to improve on something we are already are excellent in. Rather focus on regaining our lost Khsatirya temperemant which was what lead to the Islamic invasion.

<< It is sad to note that many members on this board believe that they are proper activists just because they scold Mahatma Gandhi and condemn all the bad activites of other religious organisations.>>

We have to be very careful of the threats faced by Hindus. So this information presented by the mebers on this board is useful for knowing about external threats which also have to be looked after. As for Gandhi he was a DurAtma so he needs to be blasted appart relentlessly

<< But please let us abstain from bringing down Mahatma Gandhi or other great people and instead of trying to bring down other let us try to elevate ourselves.>>

Please read this link

http://gandhijagran.hindujagran.com

Please tell me why Gandhi should not be attacked brutally after the sins he commited against the people of South Asia?


 
 
krishnabaalu

Re: the vanishing Hindus in India

September 7 2003, 10:16 AM 

let us stop at Gandhi and think of uniting Hindus to protect our Religion and this country from the fascist christian missioneries and islamic terror!

krishnabaalu.

 
 
Krishna Deva Raya

Re: the vanishing Hindus in India

September 7 2003, 5:07 PM 

<<let us stop at Gandhi and think of uniting Hindus to protect our Religion and this country from the fascist christian missioneries and islamic terror!>>

Ah but my friend the Gandhi inside every Hindu is preventing us from taking any decisive action against the Muslim terrorists and Christian Mercenaries.

Gandhian attitude is responsible for almost all our problems. Gandhi's policies were responsible for India being poor, backward, dirty, weak etc.

Gandhi was responsible for creation of Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nehru etc. all of which have hurt Hindus like anything.

Just like Germans have talked about Hitler and removed Nazism from Germany we in India have to remove Gandhism completely from our system.

Jai Bhavani!
Jai Hindu Rashtra!

http://gandhiexposed.hindujagran.com


 
 
Dahyabhai

Let us keep Gandhiji out, and be politically correct

September 7 2003, 5:56 PM 

I completely agree with Sushanth that we should keep our primary focus on educationg people about P_sec agenda. I very much like the underlined message in his posting. Most people are not aware of or are not educated about “Gandhian attitude is responsible for almost all our problems.”. It is politically incorrect to bring Gandhiji’s name for the activism that most of us are in for. Most people are not ready yet to believe any facts that will show Gadhiji in bad light. The one sided feel good type history education in India has made people close their eyes. They are brain washed with Gandhiji’s stupid Monkey toy, not to see evil, not to hear evil and not to speak evil, even if the evil is coming to kill them. Therefore, many people get turned off as soon as one starts with Gandhiji in critical manner. We all must try to educate people about the facts that had intentionally been kept hidden. If people get educated they themselves will come to term with the evil that they did not see before. I and many in this forum, first got knowlegeable about many facts that were left out of the history books in school. Now we all know about a side of Gandhian agenda that is hurting the innocent human beings. Our focus should be to reach out and touch somebody and that person will come to term with the real history. Shri Krishna educated Arjuna about life phylosphy and He left to Arjuna to decide. Let us not turn off people. Let us keep Gandhiji out.

 
 
krishnabaalu

Re: the vanishing Hindus in India

September 7 2003, 9:03 PM 

Ah! friends you may be correct that we should take out "Gandhi" mentality from of every Hindus.True,
but we should behave diplomatically too. This is because we should slowly build the unity to teach a lesson to the congress and communists.

did you hear how the congress govt in Karnataka has introduced praising lessons of Christianity and pope in school syllabus?

what happened yesterday in Delhi University elections the congress is back with a bang. What is worrying me most is the growing unconcern of our Religion among our own HINDU youths? Inspite of Congress being an anti Hindu party why these guys voted again to this stupid party?
is it not time for us to think seriouly?

krishnabaalu.

 
 
Krishna Deva Raya

Re: the vanishing Hindus in India

September 8 2003, 7:01 AM 

<<What is worrying me most is the growing unconcern of our Religion among our own HINDU youths? Inspite of Congress being an anti Hindu party why these guys voted again to this stupid party?>>

The Congress went on a massive sweep and won every state election and was poised for a massive victory in Gujarat before Godra happened and BJP won. Every body hates the BJP like hell. So it is the TINA factor working for Congress right now. TINA - There Is No Alternative.

Hindu youth are indeed concerned about Hinduism. The problem is there is no proper leadership. Most of the youngsters are open to the idea of Hindu Mahasabha. But Hindu Mahasabha is poorly organaised and has practically no funds. Also we need more regional Hindu parts. Decentrlaising the Hindu revival can help prevent Hajpayee hijacking the Hindu cause.

The BJP is causing terrible harm to the Hindu cause by giving a bad name to Hinduism. Did you see how Hajpayee was ready to give away Kashmir? I hate Hajpayee more than Gandhi.


 
 
Dahyabhai

Story about Gandhiji selecting Nehru as PM over Sardar Patel

September 9 2003, 4:45 PM 

I received following story about Gandhiji Choosing Nehru over Sardar Patel as PM.
THESE IS EXCERT FROM A BOOK AND IS NOT MY CREATION OR OPINION.
PLEASE READ ON YOUR OWN AND DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS.
====
On the mid-night of 14th and 15th August, when slaughter of Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan was at its peak, Mr. Nehru …(was) enjoying wine, writes Shri Raghavendra Tanwar in his article "The last day of the Raj" in sunday reading of the Tribune dated 29/6/1997. .. The viceroy(Lord Mountbatten)…,, the mid-night ceremony of 14-15th August….directed the toast to be drunk to the "health of king." Considering he (Nehru) never drank … to drink port at 2 a.m. in toast to the King was quite something. ….. Of Course, it was quite shameful, and the viceroy did not expect it. Lord Mountbatten was Surprised to see Nehru Completing the whole Bottle in span of 1/2 Hour.

Gandhi used to give sermon on abstention from Alcochol, Ahimsa or non-violence, Brahmacharaya, Ram Rajya, cow-protection, Gita, Sanatha-Dharma and all that is considered very high by Hindus. He(Gandhiji) was fully aware that Nehru does not have any of these qualities nor any regard for these high ethical values. He knew that Nehru indulges in alcoholic drinks, non-vegetarian food, was a atheist and ridiculed Ram Rajya was a chain smoker and kept illegal relations with other women. Still Gandhi passed on the reins of our Country to Nehru and asked Shri Sardar Vallabhai Patel to withdraw. Consequently, Nehru as Prime Minister encouraged all those ills in the society, which he had in his personal life, for which the entire blame goes to Gandhi, in the sense that he foisted a wrong man of the helm of affaris at a crucial period in the history of India.

By Courtesy. “Gandhi, A Curse for Bharath” By Anand Prakash Madan
=======

 
 
geethakrishna

blame it on hindus

September 10 2003, 3:51 AM 

Recently i was just chatting with my friends in our college.One of my christian friend said he treats the speech about scientific aspects in hindu scriptures which he heard from principal of the school as bull****.I was redhot that i hammered him in my mind.
Another one who is one of the topper of the class refers that he has been experiencing such ****s as he was studying in Hindu Vidyalaya.Morover he opposes the singing of vandemataram.
So it is hindus who gives place for others to abuse thier faith.

 
 
krishnabaalu

Re: the vanishing Hindus in India

September 10 2003, 4:55 AM 

its our inferiority complex Geetha,
and it is fashion too.
our kids do not know the greatness of our culture and heritage, and we praise christianity out of not ignorance but deliberate inferiority complex. We Hindus always want to please others at the cost of our self respect. In fact we should know the real christianity.
Jesus Christ is a misnomer of Krishna and he just learnt the Indian art of preaching and carried to Jerusalam.
the Christianity is nothing but a mispelt of sanskrit word KRISHNA NEETHI.
Every other Religion has a date of Birth but not Hinduism.




visit :http://www.hinduism.co.za/newpage1.htm

 
 
nathuramgodse

Re: the vanishing Hindus in India

September 15 2003, 10:24 PM 

Namaste,

Hindu Mahasabha exists and has strong presence in certain areas.for details contact

nathuramgodse228@yahoo.com

 
 
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