http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2005/05/tirupatis-funds-for-christians.html
Wednesday, May 11, 2005
Tirupati's funds for christians courtesy christian CM of andhra?
may 11th
forwarded by a friend. i haven't personally verified the facts below (but why should that stop me? it never stops the 'secularists'. it's in fact more fun to make unsupported allegations and hope some of it sticks. i urge you guys to repeat this and post it all over the place, and it will become 'truth by repeated assertion' in the time-honored ways of the christians, muslims and marxists.)
but i wouldnt be surprised if this is true, after all there have been marxists and christians on the managing boards of the guruvayur temple as well. 'secularism' in action. when will we see some hindus on the board of the christian medical college, vellore or of the velankanni church in nagapattinam? answer: when hell freezes over, or when pigs fly. after all, they have to keep their war-room conversion ideas and large overseas funds flow secret.
incidentally cherian runs a hospital in kerala too with a very christian name, something like st. joseph or mar gregorios or something like that.
From: S V Badri (setlurbadri@yahoo.co.uk)
Date: May 6, 2005 12:50 AM
Y \"Samuel\" Rajasekhara Reddy (YSR), the CM of Andhra Pradesh, is proving to be the greatest facilitator of Christian missionary work in Andhra.
Readers will recall that just a few days ago, he ensured the entry of JRG Wealth Management Limited, organization owned by a Kochi based syrian christian, G B Mathew, into the decision making and procurement process of Prasadam materials for Ugranam of the Bhagawan Venkateshwara Mandir in Tirupati.
And now, he has gone ahead in bringing in a deal between the SVIMS (Sri Venkateshwara Institute of Medical Sciences owned and run by the TTD) and the Frontier Lifeline and Dr K.M. Cherian Heart Foundation of Chennai. Dr Cherian is a christian and the founder of Madras Medical Mission, a true missionary hospital in Chennai. This telemedicine facility was inaugurated by YSR yesterday, with his interaction with Dr Cherian and his team through video conference.
While I do not intend to belittle the professional competence of Dr Cherian, I am amazed and deeply hurt that the CM could not pick up Hospitals owned and run by Hindus for a tie up with a premier institution owned by one of the most sacred Mandirs of the Hindus. And the money for which comes from common Hindu Bhaktas like you and me. There are at least a dozen or more institutions that can match up, rival and even surpass the facilities offered by Dr Cherian and his team.
Perhaps, YSR does not consider hospitals owned and run by Hindus as worthy of this alliance. Hospitals of eminence like the Apollo Hospitals (Incidentally, the Chairman, Dr Pratap C Reddy comes from Aragonda, about 40 Kms from Tirupathi and Apollo has a hospital facility at Aragonda also), Sri Ramachandra Medical College and Hospitals, Sri Sai Baba\'s wonderful hospital at Puttaparthi, Mata Amritanandamayi\'s Hospital at Kochi, Narayana Hridayalaya of Bangalore, the Escorts Hospital or for that matter any super speciality hospital run by Hindus in his capital city- Hyderabad, as worthy of associating with SVIMS.
YSR has also laid foundations for construction of Vasantha Mandapam in Tirumala, renovation and construction of a new building for the Sri Venkateshwara Oriental College in Tirupati etc., One should get into the details of which firm of contractors has been awarded with the contract for construction.
I will not be surprised if the study would reveal christians being the benefactors of such contracts. Cost of the projects- Rs 109 Crores.
The converts like YSR are under constant compulsion to prove their loyalty to the church.
What next Reddy? Affliliate the TTD Veda Patashala to the Vatican?
Go ahead. No body will raise their little finger in protest as you systematically siphon Mandir funds for proselytization.
I am sure that by the end of his tenure, he will annexe TTD to Opus Dei.
Perhaps, with Hindu passivity at such a peak, he might even manage to replace the Shanku/Chakra with the cross.
# posted by nizhal yoddha @ 7:14 PM
Comments:
Who are the Christians that have been/are on the Guruvayoor managing board?
# posted by Anonymous : 5/11/2005 8:39 PM
Reading this stuff can make somebody sick; sick of the cowardice and passivity shown by our Hindu communities by allowing such nonsensical and irrational activities to happen.
I propose Hindu 'proselytization' to be put into effect on a large scale. Movements like Hare Krishna and Arya Samaj should exponentialize their efforts both home and abroad. After all, I predict that the better "product" will win the "market share".
# posted by Anonymous : 5/11/2005 9:17 PM
I liked your initial disclaimer. So you think it is OK to make unsupported allegations, because p-secs do it too. So much for credibility!
Coming to the specifics of this mail:
1. The Tirupati hospital has telemedicine network with a lot of hospitals, Dr. Cherian's Frontier Lifeline hospital one among them. Bangalore's Narayana Hrudayala too is linked. And this is the essence of Telemedicine, I suppose, ie. link to expertise wherever available. Having an Apollo hospital within 40kms is irrelevant while the topic is Telemedicine.
Care to explain why restrict Telemedicine to only hospitals owned by Hindus?
2. The company JRG wealth management is a commodity trader, and have expertise in installing online commodity trading terminals. They have done the same at Tirupati. ie. install the equipment and infrastructure for commodity trading. Is this what you mean by "entry into decision making and procurement"
I think your thinking is like this. Only Hindus should be allowed to do business with Hindu institutions. Imagine if the Americans get the same attitude. All of you will be deported to India!
# posted by Anonymous : 5/11/2005 11:06 PM
hey mr.anonymous 3, YES, only Hindus should be allowed to DO BUSINESS with Hindu institutions. What is your problem with that? Otherwise, ask your christian and muslim friends if Hinds can do business with their institutions, then you can give the Hindus advice.
# posted by Anonymous : 5/12/2005 1:21 AM
Hey shadow
What do you think of this?
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_12-5-2005_pg3_2
# posted by Anonymous : 5/12/2005 5:03 AM
Then what the **** are u doing in Christian US
# posted by Anonymous : 5/12/2005 5:18 AM
Then what the **** are u doing in Christian US
Counter Question : What the F@#K are you doing in Hindu India?
If Christians being in majority makes USA Christian by same logic India becomes Hindu.
So get the F$%K out my Hindu India & i will promise you we will leave your "Christain USA"..
# posted by Jai Hind : 5/12/2005 7:33 AM
Hey anyonymous Christian..
there are only 8,00,000 Hindus in "Christian" America & there are 24 million Christians in "Hindu India".
Go do your math first. Do you wana a "fu%^*ing" population exchange?
We are all for it.
# posted by Anonymous : 5/12/2005 7:47 AM
"YES, only Hindus should be allowed to DO BUSINESS with Hindu institutions. What is your problem with that? "
Now that is outrageously fanatic.... so what comes next only hindhus should be treated at Hindhu hospitals? Only hindus should be taught at hindu schools. Only Hindhus should live in predominantly hindhu community ??? That is called religious segregation similar to what Hitler did to jews If you think that was cool I have no more to say to you.
I didnt expect you, Rajeev to stoop down to this level, you think since others go around saying made up stuff without fact checking, you could do the same and sound credible? Just because somebody doing business with a Hindhu institution is christaian doesnt mean that there is a vested intrest in christians to take over the temple.
# posted by Anonymous : 5/12/2005 8:19 AM
I don't have much respect for YSR, but blaming him for anything TTD does is plain ridiculous. Why would he make the decisions for TTD and not Thirumala board? The facts in the story may be right but the conclusions are very wrong.
# posted by Anonymous : 5/12/2005 9:40 AM
Now that is outrageously fanatic....
Dude there's a difference in doing "business with Christains" & "Tirupati/Tirumala doing business with Christian institutions".
Tirumala is not a commercial centre (though it happens to generate a huge revenue). It is a sacred place of millions of Hindu devotees.
Does vatican do "business" with any other religion? Does Jama Masjid of Delhi do "business" with Hindu institutions.
The point being made is Tirumala Devasthanam is a religious place which needs to be kept away from YSR's hidden agenda.
I didnt expect you, Rajeev to stoop down to this level
Oh yea ?
Boss he still maintains a very high level... much higher than your Catholic Goddess who's warming parliament benches in Delhi or her Christian slave YSR sitting in Hyderabad or another slave Dharam Singh in B'lore licking Hinn's toes.
# posted by Anonymous : 5/12/2005 9:56 AM
Too many anonymous posters, so I created an ID for myself. I am anonymous poster #3, the other "what the f.*k" comments are not mine.
To answer anonymous 4, I don't think Christian or Muslim institution refuse to allow Hindus (or any other faith) to do business with them. (well, I guess the word business is not very apt here). Would be nice if you can point to specific instances.
Also, why are some people assuming patronage of all Hindus here? That too sitting in places like the US? Does someone here think a patient at SVIMS will feel bad that (s)he is being treated by a Christian doctor? Do you think that using commodity trading terminals installed by a Christian owned company makes it an untouchable stuff? Should they also refuse to use software written by Wipro because it is a Muslim owned company? Is this some new form of Apartheid?
Have you guys been away from India for so long that you've lost touch with the reality of India?
Stop this nonsense, o' hate mongers. You are not Hindus and you are not Christians or Muslims. You all belong to a hate club which has representations from all over, all religions included. You conveniently assume identities behind religions, and sugar-coat your hatred and racial prejudice with religious stuff. Internet is the sewer where you spread and infest. Shame on you.
# posted by Web Inspector : 5/12/2005 10:08 AM
Puzzle - find the % of non x-ian staff
These are the faculty sites of 2 prominent govt. aided pvt colleges run by missionaries in Kerala:
http://www.christcollegeirinjalakuda.org/html/courses/departments.html
http://assumptioncollege.ac.in/Faculty.asp
Remember Christ college is sitting on the land provided by the famous Koodalmanikyam temple.
Will any prominent church do any business with Hindus or Muslims? In the literate Kerala, apartheid and racism is very much prominent especially in missionary institutions. You could find hindus as sweepers or scavengers who ultimately have to convert.
Recently Kerala's very communal X-ian CM, scuttled the Sabari Erumeli Rail road project which would have helped millions of Sabarimala pilgrims to satisfy his son in-law's family (Muthoot financiers) and the local Methrans (bishop council?). So to satisfy a few, millions have to suffer. But Chandy & his communal agents have no problems in evicting the hindu families near Technopark for expansion. Who knows Chandy may even ask Guruvayoor Devaswom(2nd richest after Tirupathi) to bank with his son-in-law's Muthoot bankers(a prominent blade mafia)!!
-RAM
# posted by Anonymous : 5/12/2005 10:47 AM
Hey Web Inspector, stop your holier than thou sermons. I know you guys come up with such "sugar coated" stuff, if you will, everytime someone questions motives of people like YSR & Hinn. You guys rush into faulting Hindus at drop of the hat & do not see any wrong doing in your own camp.
YRS is not so innocent & neither are all those "evangelicals" who are "serving" the poor in "hospitals".
A lot of Hindus may be gullible so as not to see through the hidden agenda of such Christian Institutions.
But there are now a whole lot of educated & well read Hindus who can figure out what really is happening under the pretex of "social work" by Christian orgs.
The ultimate aim of vatican vis-a-vis India & South Asia is a well documented open secret.
There's a clear pattern emerging in India where not only Hindu individuals but also Hindu institutions are being targetted systematically. Starting with Kanchi seer, Hinn, Modi-visa denial & now this YSR stuff there is clear indication that the Indian Christians have been emboldened & are getting increasingly aggressive after seeing their Madam control Delhi via her proxy Manmohan.
What's wrong if a few Hindus who have the advantage of going on the net & are lucky enough not to base their opinion only on the crap thrown by ('secular') English dailies in India raise a few pertinent issues relating to Hindus on open forums such as Rajeev's blog?
The fact of the matter is Hindus are feeling insecure ever since Sonia is at the helm of the affairs.
And not without reasons, mind you.
It is not an innocent coincidence that within one year of her coming to power, all the above mentioned events have occured.
Rajeev is doing the right job of enlightening Hindus (who care !) about things that might affect us at some point.
Internet is the sewer where you spread and infest. Shame on you
Yea we have to fall back on the internet to spread information & connect with other Hindus as you guys have taken over virtually every media institute in the country. Internet is not a "sewer". It is a new hope for us.
Where the Indian Expresses & Times Of Indias & The Hindus failed us, Internet might work for us.
Jai hind
# posted by Jai Hind : 5/12/2005 11:09 AM
I'd say there's no reason for the state to particularly tie up with Hindu-affiliated hospitals over others. However they should keep distance from any organization engaging in conversions, which I consider to be a sectarian/communal offense.
# posted by san : 5/12/2005 1:30 PM
Did you guys see Paswan's statement ? He demands a Muslim CM....How can a politician get away with a statement like that ? How can we ever progress if we don't rid ourselves of politicians like this ?
# posted by Shyam : 5/12/2005 1:58 PM
Hey, this is off-topic, but I'm posting it because I want you all to read it anyway:
http://www.iht.com/getina/files/245885.html
North Korea is openly stating that it wants to become a nuclear state specifically because it saw how the US allowed Pakistan to get away with it. This shows how the US approach to coddling Pakistan has only harmed them in the long run.
# posted by san : 5/12/2005 2:13 PM
How Kerala X-ians (sunday school educated) spit communal venom in forums:
http://www.seeurope.net/en/forum/read.php?6,1650
He even forgets to mention the religion/civilization of his fore-fathers in another topic
http://www.seeurope.net/en/forum/read.php?6,1609
Is Devaswom money utilized to fund these terrorists?
# posted by bodhi dharma : 5/12/2005 2:55 PM
I was debating some idiot on Rediff who posted that India should not have Uniform Civil Code, otherwise it will not be a secular state. He insisted that that word 'secular' means that the state should cater to 'sects'. I just want to clarify the difference between the word 'secular' and the word 'sectarian' for any marxists out there who only passed their english courses by cheating on their exams. Both 'secular' and 'sectarian' start with 'sec', however a secular state is one which is not organized around religious sects, while a sectarian state is one which is organized around religious sects. I sometimes wonder whether the marxists' simple minds are prone to making these simplistic word-associations.
# posted by san : 5/12/2005 3:00 PM
In my opinion, the person who posted on seeurope.net is living in a fantasy land like the Shadow Warrior. Perhaps it is time to enjoy the warmth of the sun.
Ram,
The comparison is idiotic - there are hardly any educational institutions that are run by Hindu Missions that employ any Christians or Muslims. What is your point?
And San should explain why he thinks the Uniform Civil Code is "a good thing" for all Indians. Surely it is not because the Shadow Warrior said so or is it?
# posted by Anonymous : 5/12/2005 8:04 PM
Last Anonymous,
There are hardly any Hindu missions in Kerala? What about the SNDP & NSS schools and colleges? Please visit the SN college in Thiruvananthapuram and see the diversity of the staff. Govt. aided private colleges can cater to 50% of positions to their community.
But the Christian Taliban (under the garb of missionary works) provides the scavenging and sweeping positions to Hindus!! If this isnt aparthied, then what is?
Didnt some visitor to this site mention about the traitors in Syrian Christian community who invited the Portugese to de-throne our Travancore kings? Unless Hindus wake up , unite and boycott all businesses run by Missionaries, Kerala can witness the rise of Taliban with the blessing of Vatican and terrorist leaders like Yohannan, Cedric prakash & Valson Thampu.
RAM
# posted by Anonymous : 5/13/2005 6:57 AM
RAM,
Could not locate a web page for the SN college, Thiruvananthapuram, but saw another one belonging to NSS.
Here:
http://www.nssengg.org/FacultyIC.htm
Count and decide for yourself how many non-Hindus are in the faculty.
# posted by Web Inspector : 5/13/2005 10:44 AM
Web Inspector 'george',
You are listing the site of one dept. And this is again the Professional college, where they prefer M.Techs since it's govt aided. Please check this site of a missionary college - Amal Jyoti in Central Travancore(I am not sure it's aided) see the composition of M.Tecs :
http://www.edugrid.ac.in/webfolder/download/amal.pdf
There could be many reasons why M.Tcs are less among the X-ian sects. Most of them could have left the country to work or even study abraod or happy with their family rubber plantations. But once their M Tech numbers increase (thru missionary professional colleges), I am sure Hindus would be wiped off eventually.
I am sorry I couldnt find the SN college site. Probably they dont get govt. bounties and grants and NRI funds
So why spend money to maintain the site?
We should compare non-professional colleges, especially under the MG University. Then you'll realize the Taliban nature of the missionaries.
-RAM
# posted by Anonymous : 5/13/2005 1:13 PM
Anonymouse, perhaps you can also post why you feel that Uniform Civil Code is a bad thing? Let me explain the positive reasons, which are why ALL DEVELOPED NATIONS practice it. It imposes SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. Do you require further explanation of why that's beneficial? The absence of such separation would mean the cultivation of SECTARIANISM WITHIN GOVT. Are you understanding the basic words I have used here? Do they require further explanation for your understanding? Will you now ask me to explain why SECTARIANISM is a bad thing in govt? Alright, I'll explain that this can be a prime cause of COMMUNAL ANTAGONISM and SOCIAL SCHISMS. Can I ask you what your intellectual background is, please? Have you gone beyond highschool, or am I trying to explain Integral Calculus to someone who doesn't even know arithmetic? The American Foundign Fathers had an excellent phrase when they said "We Hold These Truths to Be Self-Evident". For someone who can't see basic ethical truths as self-evident, well they're not going learn except by the hard way. In other words, I'd be inclined to let Anonymouse and his ilk EMIGRATE to some other place and form a society based on their own backward beliefs -- so that they can fall to their own ruin, stew in their own juices, and lie in the bed that they've made. Indian pluralism ironically does a disservice to those who are EXTREMELY BRAINWASHED BY BACKWARDNESS, because those people can physically continue on in their backward ways without having to face the natural consequences of their own stupidity, since they will simply leach off the normal, reasonable and ethical people surrounding them. Eventually the normal people will get tired of this, and a consensus will ultimately crystallize on warding off this parasitical stupidity