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Jesus Has Come in the Flesh

October 5 2005 at 11:36 AM
 
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Response to Does Your Bible Tell You How To Identify The antichrist?

Concerned Member's statement about 1 John 4:3 in the "Modern" Versions is correct, they don't specifically mention "in the flesh" in v. 3...

However, it is not the whole story:

1) If those versions that do not include the phrase "in the flesh" are "Modern" then let's include the following versions among the "moderns": American Standard (1901) Wycliffe (ca. 1382)

2) Read 1 John 4:2 in the "modern" and KJV versions
a. John's argument is a contrast between those who confess Jesus having
come "in the flesh" and those who do not confess Jesus
b. John's original argument was not divided into verses (so it was seen as
a whole)
c. Compare Mark 16:16 to 1 John 4:2&3: in Mark 16:16 baptism is in the
initial statement, the contrasting statement says "believeth not"
rather than having to supply "and is baptized" since it was in the
initial argument

3) Also, the declaration
"Contrary to what 'modern' versions would tell you, the antichrist DOES
KNOW who Jesus is. But, what the antichrist CAN NOT say, is that:
"JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH"
a. Without going into a discussion of "who" the antichrist is...
b. I'm curious about the idea that demons can acknowledge Jesus is come in
the flesh (Matthew 18) but the "antichrist" can't say the words
c. John's text certainly indicates the antichrist is already present
d. If you insist the word "Spirit" (supplied in the KJV) is to be
understood, then why is it understood but "in the flesh" is not?

4) Most would say John is dealing with an early heresy that claimed Jesus did
not come in the flesh not setting up a "test" for an antichrist to come but
an antichrist who had already appeared (those who were opposed or "anti"
Christ, specifically as it dealt with his being in the flesh)

5) Finally, the parting shot about "Modern" version attempting to
"continually assault the Lordship and Deity of Jesus Christ"
is demonstrably false, especially if 1 John 4:3 is the prooftext.
Consider:
a. True, 1 John 4:3 in the KJV reads "Jesus Christ" while in the NIV (one
of the "modern" versions) it simply has "Jesus"
b. However, look at 1 John 4:2 in the NIV where we read "Jesus Christ." If
it is their aim to "assault" Jesus' identity they should have left it
out in 1 John 4:2 also.



 
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