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December 18 2005 at 6:44 AM
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Response to Rick . . . ?

Mr. Cruz,

You ask some very good questions. I will attempt to answer a few.

Firstly, I am not Rick Warren, although I vaguely remember hearing his name somewhere. I understand that he is quite gifted and very humble, and I would not mind having my name associated with his.

Secondly, I did try to start a thread before I discovered the Viper's Den. I asked a question about church elections and received only a superficial and unsatisfactory reply. I even went through Acts 1 in Greek and could not substantiate the position that was presented to me. In fact, it was serious research about that topic that caused me stumble upon From then on it has been a wild ride.

Thirdly, even though it was not a question, it is an issue that I must make clear. I hate nobody. I hate lies, distortions and half-truths, but I do not hate anyone. It is my desire to see everybody saved from hell. I do not consider Dr. Crump an enemy. And, to borrow a phrase from his response to me, I believe he has a poor grasp of literary metaphors, especially if he really believes that I think he is a heathen. Perhaps my posting was a bit strong, but I was matching strength for strength. I don't really believe that he thinks I am in hell in here, but the imlication was still there.

The reason I chose the Viper's Den to express my opinions is because of the latitude given in this place. It is much more relaxed than in the other threads, and as you have surmised, I believe there is more truth expressed here than in the other theads.

Your friend,

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