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  • Re: Incorporation, To Be or Not : (by Mem,ber At Madison) August 10 2002, 10:06 PM
    • Donnie Cruz
      Posted Aug 12, 2002 7:19 PM

      Dear Member:

      The incorporation has never been an issue at Madison????? You indicated that you “have been a member of the church for sixty years.” Since I have no idea as to how long you’ve been a member at Madison, I would like to remind you that the “incorporation” ordeal had not occurred prior to the resignation of the 7 elders in less than a year’s time. Based on that fact, I find it difficult to convince myself that incorporation was not an agendum in the elders’ discussions and meetings at that time. Also, my recollection is that the reinstatement of the use of the praise team was a big issue – probably the final “straw” -- among the elders some months ago. Look at what happened just this past July? The “amplified” voices of the “praise team” performances have been reinstated. And please don’t even begin to think that such (the “praise team” or choir) is no longer an issue!!!

      Only those who are not familiar with the “Restoration Movement” and with what the New Testament teaches about the church or the body of Christ, and are not so familiar with what the Community Church Movement is doing in dismantling churches of Christ, would say (as you said), “It is clear to me that the owners of this site will bring up anything to try and divide.”

      Let me make one correction to your statement about incorporation: This site does not “try and confuse you over incorporation.” The site is informing you of more of the risky and trendy “upgrading-the-church” moves. Just try to follow the SUBTLE PATTERN of changes that the change advocates have implemented at Madison: the Saddleback feature of the “alternative” contemporary style of worship, the domination by the “praise team’s” vocal cords in “congregational” singing, less emphasis in the study of the Scriptures and more use of study materials from denominational sources, the Pentecostal belief in the Holy Spirit, overall secularism mixed in with spiritualism, just recently the preaching of the “tithing” experience in a Christian’s life (which will probably be followed by the signing of a pledge or commitment), the “covenant of membership” (probably coming up next), and others.

      Member, let’s not be in favor of the prospect of making the church of Christ at Madison into a denomination. Otherwise, it would seem to not matter if you started worshipping with those in the denominational world that already have these things you really desire in place and have the experience that some churches of Christ are just getting a taste of.

      Don’t be so sure about “how many of the links have played out.” For one thing, your fellow workers and responders have not done their job of counterattacking the truth. Are they not interested anymore? Or do they lack scriptural evidences to support their views? Are you going to be just like them? Lose interest? No scriptural support? Yes, it is VERY IMPORTANT that we not violate God’s will for Christians.

      Donnie
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