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  • Re: amen and amen..

    • Posted Dec 30, 2005 6:44 AM

      I am not sure I understand your post Joe. It is my understanding that God promised a land-home for Israel, to be retained as long as Israel OBEYED the LAW OF MOSES.
      Conversely, God also promised they (Israel) would forfeit the covenant, which included the land promise if they disobeyed Him and did not keep His Law as delivered through Moses. The land was to be Israel's as long as they remained spiritual Israel, and until they would fulfill their role as predecessors for the coming Messiah.

      Was not the land covenant which God made with Abraham and subsequently to all Israel, like all covenants made between two parties, conditional and would be fulfilled ONLY IF BOTH PARTIES KEPT THE CONDITIONS SPECIFIED IN THE COVENANT?

      God always kept His commitments, but Israel historically, failed to meet the conditions which God placed on the covenant. The covenant stipulated and embraced no more than did the promise under which it was made. It was a ratification, or acceptance on their (Israel's) part of the stipulations of the promise. It was the covenant by which God renewed His promise to be their God, and by it the people accepted the offer, and covenanted to be the people of God. This covenant bound BOTH parties to their pledge; God to be their God; Israel to be His OBEDIENT people.

      This covenant did not, and could not stipulate and grant more than did the promise; thus, all these were temporal in their nature. This completed all that God had to provide for that people. From that point forward, there was nothing for either party to do, but to carry out the provisions of the covenant, and a covenant broken on one side, is broken on BOTH.

      There is something that we as Christians should take from this PROMISE. It is not that God is going to restore Israel, but that He does keep His promise. When God makes man a promise, He expects the resoponse of the obedience of faith if the individual concerned is to possess the blessing. This is His promise at Pentecost (Acts 2:38-41).
      A New Covenant was forged with man in His Son Jesus Christ.

      Joe, I encourage you to read the entire twenty-eighth Chapter of Deuteronomy. Fourteen verses reiterate the PROMISE of God, but the remaining fifty-four verses emphasize the drastic curses and tragic effects which were to accompany the Jew if they did not KEEP their part of the covenant.

      Joe, ask yourself, did the Jew keep the Law and ordinances of God? The answer is recorded for all prosterity in the same historical record which speaks of the glowing PROMISES and rewards to be received by obedidient people. Yes, Joe, God does keep His PROMISES, both positive and negative. National Israel is no more, the church of Christ marches down through the corridor of time as Jesus PROMISED in Matthew 16.
      Jack Mann
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