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  • My Dear Dr. Crump

    • Posted Feb 18, 2006 6:58 PM

      Come now, how about at least a token attempt at accuracy?

      I never said you "picked on" me. Being picked on carries with it the idea that you could hurt me by taunting. I asked why you felt it necessary to "pick at" everything I say. Pick at, like a cantankerous child who needs a nap and becomes disagreeable. He constantly says "NO!" to everything and everybody.

      Case in point: Your comment "And 'for the record,' Rick's reference to the age of his church surely did sound like bragging. If bragging was not intended, then the statement was superfluous."

      As I previously stated, I was only responding to a comment aimed at me by PPB about "new and young churches" behaving a certain way. I wanted to reassure her that we did not fit the preconceived mold she had cast us in. As such, it was not superfluous. I didn't just make a random comment, I was addressing a topic.

      Personally, I agree that the age of the congregation bears little meaning if the current generation of believers is not striving to please God.

      The only times I have been hurt have been when I have been misrepresented or lied about. That goes to a person's character, and when all is said and done that's all we have.

      I would rather have civil discourse. I have not said anything negative about Mr. Sublett in a long time. As you know, I can play hardball, but in the end, nobody wins.

      How about a truce?

      Rick
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