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  • Re: Finding Answers to Questions

    • Posted Feb 19, 2006 9:45 PM

      Dr Crump,

      Why are you so mean?

      My first sentence in my first post was “Growing up in the church of Christ, I never really questioned anything” This is why I never questioned anything of fear of being treated like you have treated me. You have a Dr. before your name, and I have just a high school diploma. Your tone, which is very belittling, makes me wonder if you really wanted to write after each posting, “that idiot”.

      Hardly anything I have asked has been addressed. Mr. Cruz did address my question about God does not change. He said “the Lord does not change, therefore what”?

      I may not be as smart as you gentlemen are, but I love God with all my heart and I know he loves me just as he loves you. Even if I am not as intelligent as you.

      Since we all agree that I am not as intelligent as you. Maybe I should ask my question in a simple Yes or No format so that you don’t have to give me answers I might not understand.

      Were instruments used in the Old Testament to worship God? Yes or No?

      Did John say there are Instruments in Revelation?
      Rev 5:8, Rev14-2 and Rev 15:2-3? Yes or No?

      Does the Bible say that God does not change? Yes or No?

      Did Jesus say in the Lord’s Prayer
      Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven? Yes or No?

      Wouldn’t it be concluded that since God doesn’t change, and there are instruments in the Old Testament and in Heaven. And Jesus said thy will be done in earth as it is in Heaven and even with all the arguments out there including the Boswell-Hardeman debate, that we shouldn’t be telling other people that they are going against God’s will if they use instruments?

      This seems pretty simple to me. When we bring a non believer to church and they question why we have a cappella music. I don’t think I can hand them the 200 page transcripts from the Boswell-Hardeman debate and say read it for yourself.




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