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  • RE: Time and Time Again (by Donnie Cruz)
    • Dr. Bill Crump
      Posted Feb 21, 2006 12:16 PM

      Donnie,

      I’m not going to spend much more time on instruments and Psalm 150, except to say that there is a related theme in the Psalms which should be mentioned. In his haste to imply that the Psalms fall outside the principles of the Mosaic Law because they are “poetry,” Sethy has either conveniently forgotten or doesn’t realize that the Psalms mention praising God with sacrifices (burnt offerings, clearly an act of worship commanded under the Mosaic Law) as well as with musical instruments:

      “And now mine head be lifted up above mine enemies round about me: therefore will I offer in his tabernacle sacrifices of joy; I will sing, yea, I will sing praises unto the Lord” (Psalm 27:6 KJV).

      “Oh Lord, truly I (am) thy servant; I (am) thy servant, (and) the son of thy handmaid: thou hast loosed my bonds. I will offer to thee the sacrifice of thanksgiving, and will call upon the name of the Lord” (Psalm 116:16-17 KJV). BTW, the sacrifice for thanksgiving is outlined in Leviticus 7:11ff.

      I’m sure that Sethy and other Christians of like mind would also want to follow the other examples of worship which the Psalms provide. After all, this book falls outside the principles of the Mosaic Law because it is “poetry,” correct? It would be “selective doctrine” to follow only the musical example and not follow everything else therein, correct? If Sethy uses instruments according to the Psalms, then he likewise slaughters animals and makes sacrifices to God. He cannot do one without the other, if he follows the Psalms. So according to Sethy, the Psalms, which mention sacrifices to God, fall outside the principles of the Mosaic Law because they are “poetry,” whereas Leviticus, which also mentions sacrifices to God, is within the Mosaic Law, because it is not “poetry”? We have the same principles in both books. Is there not a double standard here, if not a contradiction?

      Ladies and gentlemen, this kind of thinking is completely bogus, and Sethy knows that, or he should. The Psalms fall under the principles of the Mosaic Law as much as do Leviticus, Numbers, Isaiah, and Malachi, for example, and Sethy knows that as well. He just wishes to be argumentative in a desperate attempt to justify instruments.

      The Psalms belong outside the principles of the Mosaic Law only to those who are so bent on using instruments and satisfying their own selfish desires that they will desperately twist and alter Scripture abominably to justify themselves. They not only pick and choose which acts of worship they will follow, but they also cast the Psalms into the realm of a “no man’s land” because it is “poetry” in order to make it fit their musical agenda.

      So we’ll leave Sethy, our hard-headed friend, out in the field screaming and yelling, “The Psalms are poetry! Worship with instruments! Forget sacrifices! Pick what you want from the Bible! It’s just a grab-bag anyway! Viva la Change Movement!”
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