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  • No ... the problem begins when the church is confronted by false teachers

    • Posted Jul 28, 2006 12:08 AM

      Chris,

      I emphasized “confronted by a host of false teachers” because that’s where the problem begins.

      I do not want to disappoint you, but your arguments are not new. Besides you made up some statements I did not make. I do not recall saying something, for example, about “singing 6-7 songs back to back in succession.” Now, I have made it a point numerous times that so much more time is being devoted to “musical worship” than to the actual teaching and learning about God’s Word.

      The main point I was trying to make was to negate the message you were trying to purport regarding John Waddey’s article—your impression that several items listed by John are not issues. I based that assumption upon your statement, “I feel Mr. Waddey hit the nail on the head…”—as if to say, “Look, Mr. Waddey affirms that what ConcernedMembers and others consider as issues [raising hands, etc.] are not issues after all.”

      Chris, you haven’t yet addressed John’s crucial points—cautioning the reader about matters that could potentially become issues. I listed a few of those, hoping that you would see the same pattern throughout the rest of his article—“this is not an issue in itself … but the real issue surfaces when ….”

      Maybe, you’re just waiting for more comments from others before you would decide to say something like—“This is not an issue in itself, but it is or becomes an issue when….” It appears, though, that you’ve already made up your mind about what not to say concerning the rest of his message.

      The only statement I would like to make consistently is this—“If they weren’t already there, it’s just not worth implementing CONTROVERSIAL and/or UNNECESSARY CHANGES.” And congregations experiencing division and alienation among the brethren are the ones, unfortunately, that are victims of controversial and unnecessary changes.

      Donnie
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