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Problems with Christian Universities

June 28 2004 at 9:27 AM
Meathead 
from IP address 205.188.116.136

I would like to start a forum on problems with Christian Universities. I know that there are many issues out there. For example, I just read on the Oklahoma Christian University web site alumni section of people working for community churches. I have also heard of Bible teachers asking women to lead prayers before classes. What else is going on at other universities that we should watch out for?

 
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JD

24.116.24.139

THE SKY IS FALLING!!!

June 29 2004, 11:52 PM 

You truly are a meathead if you think ANY of what you talk about in your post MATTERS ONE IOTA!!!

Get a life!

JD

 
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Eric Watters

24.26.232.14

Of Course it Matters

July 3 2004, 9:02 AM 

Good forum.

Would you rather go to a Christian University that compromises your beliefs or to a state school where at least you know where they stand?

C'mon now. Christian Universities are making themselves look bad. ACU gets tickled at Max Lucado (person of the year). Faulkner hires the Jesus painter for Chapel. OC gets denominationl people to speak at the lectureships. There are just a few things going on out there that are changing the Church, in the wrong direction.

We shoud be worried, including you JD.

 
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Meathead

64.12.116.134

What about this?

July 8 2004, 8:34 AM 

Look at this OC alumni site. What should our reaction be? (There are two students mentioned who work at denominational churches).


http://blogs.oc.edu/milestones/

 
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Anonymous

67.64.12.22

Reaction?

July 12 2004, 3:21 PM 

It doesn't demand a reaction.

The purpose of that site is for people to know where their classmates are and what they are up to. OCU cannot control whether a graduate decides to work in a denominational church. My guess would be that there are graduates of state schools and Christian schools who have fallen away from the church, had affairs, committed illegal acts, etc. In most cases, blaming the universities would be innacurate generalizing. Beyond that, searching desperately for ANYTHING that reinfores your presuppositions about Christian universities only serves to weaken your argument.

A mind, like a parachute, functions best when open.

 
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meathead

64.12.116.134

Jeff Walling

August 22 2004, 9:30 PM 

Jeff Walling is speaking at Oklahoma Christian University. Such a same for a university that used to be very

sound.http://news.oc.edu/archives/002699.asp


 
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64.219.202.205

what's the problem?

September 17 2004, 10:43 AM 

I'd like to know what the problem is with Jeff Walling. I went to one of those terrible Christian universities (Harding) YEARS ago and still remember a wonderful sermon of Jeff Walling's that has stuck with me all these years. Maybe you could make a list of the ministers who God has approved so we'll all know.

 
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meathead

152.163.100.72

Of his rocker

September 24 2004, 8:35 PM 

Jeff Walling has made some strange comments about salvation and about "traditional" church of Christs. I've heard him speak before. Very good speaker, knows how to get you interested. Unfortuanately, NO SCRIPTURES. What a waste of a sermon.

 
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Spilldogg

209.136.59.58

Puh-leeeeeze!

October 1 2004, 12:57 PM 

Meathead (I wonder how you got that name??), don't you have anything else better to do than to sit and dwell over what Christian universities are or are not doing?? If you're so worried about this problem, then why aren't you contacting the adiministrations of these vile institutions of higher learning and voicing your concerns instead of festering and fuming here on this silly website? I visit this website occasionally just for the "entertainment" value and I am NEVER disappointed! If it isn't you, it's Kenneth Sublett or Kevin Hamm or some other axe-grinder whining about NON-ISSUES and doing absolutely nothing about the so-called problems you stir up. If you people would actually spend as much time TEACHING, PREACHING, and trying to EDIFY the saints as you do writing page after page after page of pointless drivel, then maybe these problems would have been cleared up a long time ago!

 
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meathead

64.12.117.7

Ignore the problem?

October 19 2004, 1:36 PM 

I think we should be aware that Christian universities are stepping into some areas that we should be concerened about. If Bible class teachers are asking women to lead prayers, or if Baptism is no longer being taught, or if speakers are used who aren't sound we should be concerned. Why aren't you?

Wow, you are the first ever to make fun of my nickname. Never heard that before. </sarcasm>

 
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160.129.207.45

Jeff Walling

October 13 2004, 11:10 AM 

Jeff Walling pokes fun at the Scriptures. He snubs the importance of baptism and actually made a comedy act out of it when speaking at the '95 Youth Minister's Conference in Memphis.

 
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B

65.70.29.206

Re: Jeff Walling

October 22 2004, 1:24 PM 

First, on Jeff Walling...

The only times I have heard him speak (as recently as 2 years ago), he has NEVER "poked fun" at any scriptures. The last time I heard him speak, the entire lesson was about a passage in John, which he continually referred back to and read. Whatever happened to our responsibility to be discerning?

Second, on Christian Universities...

Meathead, you are casting a very wide net. Most Christian Universities do teach baptism. They might not teach it in a class about the Pentateuch or the Minor Prophets, but they do teach it.

Why do so many on this site feel the need to categorize everyone? I am a scripturally conservative guy who has learned from the words of people who seem to be on completely different ends of the spectrum. I can learn from Jeff Walling and not agree with everything he says. I can read Max Lucado for new insight into a scripture without seeking his advice on doctrine.

Not everyone fits on your little "buzz word" boxes.

 
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meathead

152.163.100.73

More on Oklahoma Christian University

April 11 2005, 9:28 PM 

Check out blogs.oc.edu and click Curt Niccum. There have been some "interesting" discussions on the TNIV and using instruments. Very discouraging..... Click around on the various day's topics.


 
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meathead

152.163.100.73

ACU and Pro-Homosexuality?

April 13 2005, 10:11 PM 

Very disturbing.... And it's 5 years old!

http://www.christiancourier.com/penpoints/acuControversy.htm


 
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LittleChrist

216.248.8.254

damage control?

April 14 2005, 12:27 PM 

Seems to me that Professor Tippens was trying to exercise a little damage control. People need to be careful what they say and how they say it when they represent a larger organization, such as ACU.

Under the assumption that there are individuals at ACU that are still in the business of forgiving and saving the lost, Dr. Hoover's comments could be damaging to that mission. I don't think that the Bible is unclear about homosexuality being a sin, and the Christ's church needs to make it clear that our stance is the same as God's. Nevertheless, homosexuality is no greater a sin than any other sinful tendency an individual may have. We all have our "pet" sins. For some, that persistent struggle is homosexuality. Our job is to encourage and edify those who desire to live a Christian life in spite of their sinful tendencies. While I have never struggled with homosexuality, I have long struggled with deceit. Satan knows that is my weakness, and he assaults me on that front daily. Is there forgiveness for me? If there is, why can that same forgiveness not be afforded to a person who struggles with homosexuality?

Those who have a mind and heart of forgiveness struggle with understanding those who easily reject those who we label "sinners," and vice-versa. I think that's the case between Tippens and Hoover. I didn't gleam from the article that ACU is endorsing homosexual behavior.

Jeff

<All Christians are sinners, but not all sinners are Christians.>

 
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Anonymous

205.188.117.13

Precisely

April 16 2005, 3:49 PM 

Nobody wants to stand up for what is right because they are afraid of what the world might think. We can't hurt people's feelings anymore.

Church of Christ schools (in general) are no longer doing that. They are frequently compromising to keep everyone happy.

I think there are 2 schools left that I would feel comfortable sending my children to.

 
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Carol

24.208.65.86

Re: Precisely

May 11 2005, 11:18 PM 

And might I ask which two those might be?

 
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meathead

64.12.116.132

2 Sound Universities

May 29 2005, 1:43 PM 

I would say Freed Hardeman and Faulkner University are the two that haven't strayed from the truth. I would feel confident, if my children attended there, that they would get a solid education and not learn to compromise their convictions.

 
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FollowerofChrist

67.137.79.95

Universities

June 2 2005, 2:26 PM 

There are plenty more sound Christian universities. Why would you say that? What school did you go to? What makes Harding University unsound for example?

 
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216.107.96.113

Re: Universities

June 16 2005, 11:10 AM 

Follower, I'm curious to know the same thing about Harding. I am a Harding alumn, and I'm not real sure why it may be considered liberal.

<Not all sinners are Christians, but all Christians are sinners.>

 
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Carol

24.208.65.86

Re: 2 Sound Universities

June 18 2005, 11:59 PM 

What convictions would those be, Meathead?

 
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Worried Guy

64.12.116.132

Church Conflicts at Christian Universities?

June 28 2005, 9:15 PM 

I had a friend at Harding that had a church conlfict with an on campus job on Wednesdays.

I've also heard that Harding gets some liberal speakers like Jeff Walling and so forth.

 
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Bud Carron

24.217.49.8

Jeff Walling

December 10 2005, 8:09 PM 

Jeff Walling was recently a guest speaker at the Harvester Christian Church in Harvester, Missouri.
He doesn't seem to have any noticeable allegience to the New Testament Church.

 
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67.141.29.10

Harvester Christian Church

December 12 2005, 8:31 AM 

I was a recent speaker at HCC and you know what? They teach and preach the EXACT SAME plan of salvation that Churches of Christ do. Including the necessity of Baptism according to Acts 2:38 and other Scriptures. It is for salvation, specifically for the remission of sins. They do not believe that women can be elders. What harm is ther in speaking to them. Maybe we can bring them a little closer, or a lot closer. Are they not worth ministering to?

 
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67.141.29.10

Harvester

December 12 2005, 8:40 AM 

FYI: Harvester Christian Church is not in Harvester, MO. It is in St. Charles, a suburb of St. Louis.

 
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Disappointed

70.178.98.61

Re: Problems with Christian Universities

October 19 2005, 12:19 AM 

Spend this much time and energy sharing Jesus with the lost and you will have FINALLY accomplished something. We in th c of C are called a "sect" because of postings such as these. Get away from the computer and start taking Jesus to people. I am saddened a great deal by this web site.

 
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meathead

4.153.201.109

Regret

October 20 2005, 3:03 PM 

Hello all,

I regret making this forum topic. While I don't agree with what some of the Christian universities support or teach and I wouldn't send my children there, it was stupid of me to make accusations based on hersey or what I read on some internet rumor. I apologize for this.


 
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