A common practice for believers is the partaking of the Lord's Supper on the first day of the week. As members of the Church of Christ we follow the example the Jesus Christ and the apostles set forth. We also allow those in the congregation, that for whatever reason they were not able to attend the morning gathering, to partake in the evening service.
My question is this: Should we allow the Lord's Supper after sundown on Sunday. Genesis 1:5 " And the evening and the morning were the first day." This is obvious how God divided the days. When does the first day begin? If it begins at Saturday evening then it ends 24 or so hours later. If the evening is come on Sunday pm service it thus makes it Monday, the second day of the week. I realize that some will say that it is now our customs to change the beginning of the days but where did God change the start and ending of his days?

I post this question because I am curious not because I want to get into a debate. If you can confirm or otherwise feel free to respond. Preferably with the Bible and history as prooftext. When did it Change?

Thanks for the comments.

Wil Montero

This is a important question if we are going to "keep time." I have read some Sabbath keeper's sites where they believe that our sabbath is an even multiples of the day God RESTED. I believe that the Jews still regulate some festivals by the phase of the moon or some other natural time keeper.

'A question developed, however, about when to mark the beginning of this time-keeping unit ["a day"]. Two points seemed to make the most sense: sunrise or sunset. Hebrew culture chose to designate sunset as the beginning of a day.

As a result, their sabbaths and holy days began at sunset on the evening before the daytime of the festival.

This tradition [Hebrew] carried over into Christian traditions and gave rise to the celebrations of "eves" such as Christmas Eve, New Year's Eve, and Halloween (All Hallow's Eve). Other groups chose sunrise as the beginning of the day.'

That means that our morning service would be on the first day but if the evening service is after sunset then people would be eating the Lord's Supper on MONDAY or the second day.

When Paul met with the people at Troas he DIALOGED but did not preach as in a sermon until midnight. However, the idea was that he would depart on the morrow. "Morrow" or the first day was not a day of rest until Constantine. Paul would not upset any of the Jews by beginning his journey early Sunday morning. Therefore, this important text seems to have them meeting on the Lord's Day but on our Saturday night.

However, both the Sabbath and Sunday carried the notion of REST and not a day of "worship" in the sense that we feel the need to "wear out the saints." REST on the Sabbath permitted them to gather in small communities to have a "holy convocation" which meant to READ or REHEARSE whatever they had in the way of written or oral instructions about the Law.

My view is that this is something that you do to show forth or preach or teach the Death of Christ and all this means to us. If I could not make it for Sunday morning I never felt the need to do it on Sunday evening to fulfil a legal duty. Others have differing opinions and I think this is why most churches serve communion at both times.

Anyway,Sabbath meant REST before it meant the SEVEN of the SABBATH. I say "more rest" which Jesus died to give us where rest meanst of just about anything you are doing: Just stop it. I am sure that others have different views.

Ken Sublett

Wil

You've asked an interesting question, which has more than one related event tied to it. Concerning the Lord's Supper, we see in Acts 20:7-11 that Paul and his company gathered with the saints in Troas "on the first day of the week"... "to break bread". This breaking of bread was what we call the Lord's Supper. Paul spoke/preached until midnight and was planning to leave the next day (Monday). After the incident with Eutychus, Paul and the others went back inside to eat a common meal before he left. The phrase "breaking of bread" in verse 7 is different in the Greek from the one in verse 11.

Although you didn't refer to this, let me throw another one out for consideration. What day of the week was Christ crucified? Before I explain my position, we must know that it really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. What we do KNOW is that Christ rose before dawn on what we call Sunday, the first day of the week... which is where we have our significance in taking the Lord's Supper on that day. We also KNOW what Jesus said in Matthew 12:38-40, that He would be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. While it is important to understand that the Jews "day" began at sunset, Jesus specifically says days and nights. In order for His words to be accurate, Jesus could not have been crucified on Friday as religious tradition holds but on a Thursday instead. The argument against this is that the day after the crucifixion was a Sabbath. I say, true, but what is a Sabbath except a "Holy Day"? Every "Saturday" was a Sabbath but not every Sabbath was a "Saturday". The feast days were also Sabbaths and we KNOW that Jesus came to Jerusalem and was planning to partake of the Passover. My belief is that the "Friday" following His crucifixion was the Passover and that Jesus ate the Passover meal with His disciples early, on "Wednesday" night. Also, the gospel according to John refers to this Sabbath as a "High Day", which signifies a "special" Sabbath Day. Ancient Hebrew calendars confirm that there were 3 occasions between AD 30 and 35 when the Passover took place on Fridays.

I hope that this is beneficial.

Mark Waggoner

Good thoughts. I have read several attempt to count the days which followed the pattern of selecting the lamb etc for the Passover. It has to be a fact that the SABBATH here was a special Sabbath and not Saturday. [Sabbath meaning REST and not SATURDAY]

Here is an account which I have begun to "parse" into thought patterns for my own edification. This supports the Thursday account:

http://www.askelm.com/news/n010501.htm

This is important because of fulfilling the type of the Passover and because "ONE HOUR EQUALS ONE DAY" so you can get three days and three nights does little for my faith.

Does this upset the Saturday night Lord's Supper for us?

Ken

Brother Mark:
Your question and explanation of Christ’s crucifixion shows that you are a deep fisherman of the truth, but you need to check your math. Jesus died about the 9th hour (Matt 27:46), which would start the count at sunset Wednesday night. Jesus ate the Last Supper, Tuesday night. The Passover meal was on Wednesday night: All the Passover lamb were scarficed at the Temple except one, He was scarficed outside the walls of Jerusalem, on Calvary.
Speaking of counting. Have you counted the days from Christ entering Jerusalem and His crucifixion? I count 4, which means He fulfilled the 4 days of examining the Passover Lamb of Exodus 12:3-6.
Jesus also arose on the first day of the week, which was the Eighth day, and the number 8 means new beginning.
When you look deep it is amazing how all thing fit together isn’t it? And how all things mean something.

To God be the Glory
Joe McKnight

The devil and the pagans are the only ones who have a Sunday morning "Lord's supper" at the hour Jesus identifies as his hour for breakfast (see the Greek word artiston John 21:12). A multitude of deceived Christians have followed the Catholic Church into their wicked and evil change of Gods Bible time and time God has set to worship. The God of the Bible has no day named the first day of the week (of the seven sky gods). The week is an artificial time measure made by the pagans. The God of the Bible warns you through the prophet Daniel (9:27) that wicked and evil Ruler (Constantine) and Bible translators would deceive a world of people about time that God has set to worship.

See bible time conspiracy at this web site www.biblementor.com

Will Wade

Thank you "Donnie Cruz" for your reply
Be careful what you apply to the God comparing to what belongs to Satan. The God said I form the light I made the dark (Apostolic Bible literal translation Isa. 45:7 The evening or the first whole dark period or the beginning of dark was created before the light on day One (Gen. 1:1-3). Only in the last fifty years Bible time is now being restored all over the world as was prophesied by Daniel 7:25-28. When Bible time and laws of God are completely restored (to the Bible record) then according to Daniel the whole world will be convinced to begin to serve and worship God.
The God of the Bible used a different measure of natural observed Bible time to create an awesome power in the gospel record. Over thousands of years (some say millions of years) God created the seven day solar cycle, the time witness of the moon and the time witness of the harvest of a specific grain of the common variety of wheat to prove to the Bible student that the Bible is God breathed. Wicked and evil Bible translators remove the correct measure of Bible time and then they add their artificial measure as their Bible time to make the Bible record appear to be written by pagans who love their week days of the seven sky gods. How about you-do you just love the week days of the seven sky gods as your Bible day? Anyone who knows anything about how the pagans create the time measure of the artificial days of the week of the seven sky gods know the artificial week days are designed to give glory and honor to the seven pagan gods of the sky. Atheist and Bible agnostics use the week days and months that are mistranslated in the Bible to try and prove the Bible is nothing more than pagan superstition. It is a fact anyone of any intellect would declare the Bible to be nothing more that pure pagan superstition if the God of the Bible actually did use the artificial time of the seven sky gods to describe His Bible time and set times to worship. In removing true Bible time most Bible translators (but not all) remove and scramble the plan of God when He used Bible time to prove to you that the Bible is God breathed. Removing true Bible time has scrambled the exact resurrection moment of Jesus. The true resurrection moment of Jesus parallels the exact same moment when God created the universe (early dark or evening see the Greek words "proi skotoas" "early dark" or at beginning of dark on day one of the Sabbaton John 20:1). The same Greek words opse evening and epiphosko lamp lighting that were used to describe the moment of the entombment of Jesus is at the supper hour of God (Mat 27:57: Luke 23:54) and the same Greek words Opse or evening and epiphosko or "lamp lighting" is used by Matthew to describe the moment the women came to the tomb of Jesus to discover that Jesus had resurrected in a mega earthquake at
1. the supper hour of God
2. early yet it was dark
3. on the Bible Greek day Mia or day one of the Sabbaton (Mat 28:1-3).
The Bible record declares that all Christians are justified, made holy or they are Passed over by God through the true resurrection moment of Jesus at the true supper hour of God (see Rom. 4:25; 6:3-7; 1Pet 1:3; 3:21) . The Lords Passover supper was observed by New Testament Christians at or near the resurrection moment of Jesus at or near early dark on day one of the Sabbaton (parallels early dark of our modern Saturday night see Greek of Acts 20:7) The Bible Greek day Mia (day one) of the Sabbaton is measured first with only one whole dark period and the whole dark period is followed with only one whole light period. Sunday is measured with two half dark periods of two parts of two nights of two days of God. In Troas Paul preached until midnight of day one of the Sabbaton that started at sunset-early dark.
Donnie I pray these facts about true Bible time will get you and others interested in making a life time study about true Bible time and the times that our God has set to worship. God bless you all in your search for truth

Will Wade
E-mail gospelmentor@yahoo.com
Web site www.biblementor.com

The design of the SABBATH meaning REST applies only to Earng and Harvest time.
First, you WILL work 6 days because the master demands it.
Then, not for worship but for REST, the master must give you a day to REST.
If you worked on the farm you are not fit for anything but REST.
This was a Labor Relation Law and not a spiritul law.

Ex. 34:21 Six days thou shalt work,
......but on the seventh day thou shalt rest:
......in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.

Next, the feasts were for muster: only men of the warrior age. This was age 30 but David reduced it to 20

Ex. 34:22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks,
......of the firstfruits of wheat harvest,
......and the feast of ingathering at the years end.
Ex. 34:23 Thrice in the year
......shall all your men children appear before the Lord GOD, the God of Israel.

These were not weekly WORSHIP but MUSTERS of the warrior-aged males.

Here is how the 3 yearly festivals went:

Lev. 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them,
......Concerning the feasts of the LORD,
......which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

Lev. 23:3 Six days shall work be done:
......but the seventh day is the sabbath of REST, an holy convocation;
......ye shall do no work therein:
......it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings. (where they sat, slept)

The people in a local area (ten mature males in later times) to rest, read and rehearse the word.
After Constantine gave another rest day, Christians held Bible study to keep people away from the pagan Sun worship.

Lev. 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations,
......which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
Lev. 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORDs passover.
Lev. 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month
......is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD:
...... seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
Lev. 23:7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
Lev. 23:8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days:
......in the seventh day is an holy convocation:
......ye shall do no servile work therein. \

This COMMAND was to REST during Earing and Harvest time AFTER you had slaved six days.
The festivals were "musters" and times when the Word of God was READ.
The Israelites came to hold synagogue on each REST day which was not connected to the calendar. The Levi tribe would be carrying on the national sacrificial system as the worship of the starry host to which God abandoned them BECAUSE of eating, singing, dancing, playing instruments etc which PROFAND the Sabbath.
This quarantined the people FROM all of the worship services as hard bondage

This is the iNCLUSIVE and EXCLUSIVE role of the Qahal, synagogue or church in the wildernss.



Miqra (h4744) mik-raw'; from 7121; something called out, i. e. a public meeting (the act, the persons, or the place); also a rehearsal: - assembly, calling, convocation, reading.

So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly,
......and gave the sense,
......and caused them to understand the reading. Ne.8:8

Jesus stood up to READ the assigned text and then had the decency to sit down and allow discussions or questions.
That's the eternal role of the synagogue and what Paul commanded Timothy to do each first day of the week which would not interfere with the Sabbath day worship which, including the Jews, was the worship of the starry host. This would prevent violence to the Christians who assembled on the FIRST WORK day of the week and then went to their jobs.

WORK is defined to exclude "sending out ministers of God." Rest was FROM Work and NOT for someone to impose some ceremonial legalism. In time, the Israelites met each Sabbath to listen to the reading of the Word of God (only). Isaiah 55 outlaws selling the "free water of the Word" and Isaiah 58 outlaws "speaking your own words."

Only if you make a complete study of true Bible time will you discover what an awesome God has created the Bible records of time, laws concerning time and the set times to worship. Wicked Bible translators have removed the original records of natural Bible time and they add the artificial time measure of the days of the weeks and the months to the Bible records. Got to have clocks for artificial time. Y'ahsus (mistranslated Jesus) instituted his passover memorial for the kingdom of God (Luke 22:14-16) on what we identify as Tuesday night. He was killed on Wednesday or the fourth day of the sabbaton. He was entombed at the Greek Opse "evening" -see Mat.27:57; and at epiphosko orlamp lighting see Greek Luke 23:54). Matthew said Jesus was resurrected at the same time of entombment Greek opse evening and epiphosko lamp lighting on day Mia or "day one" of the Sabbaton (early dark of our modern Saturday night. The resurrection record of Mark does not say Jesus resurrected in the morning at after the sun has risen. He wrote that the tomb was empty. Again Mark 16:1 should not be added to the sixteenth chapter but should be at the end of the fifteenth chapter. The translators add the women buying spices after the Passover Sabbath to this resurrection record instead of two days before, to try and make you think that Jesus is resurrecting at the rising of the sun god on sunday morning.

In the love of God, the truth and the brotherhood,

Will Wade

www.biblementor.com

Donnie Cruz wrote It also means, according to Mr. Wade, that "the first day of the week" was erroneously stated in Scripture because the first century man did not know about "the first day of the week" when the New Testament books were written in the first century.

If Mr. Cruz had made a research into the Old and New Testament Bible dictionary he would have discover the Bible hour is a look at time and not the artificial sixty minute hour. Sorry you would have a good point only if it were true. Take serious notice of the Greek word see Strongs Greek word number 5610 wra -hora ho'-rah or hour for the true worship that has now come. Jesus spoke to identify a certain natural look at time and not an artificial time of the pagan week of the seven sky gods.

See Strongs New Testament Greek word number 5610 apparently a primary word; see Theological Dictionary of New Testament words -9:675,1355; n f translated in the authorized versions (AV) translated-hour 89 times, time 11 times, season 3 times, misc 5 times, altogether translated; 108 times in the New Testament.


Nothing wrong with measuring natural Bible time with artificial time just do not add it to the Bible as a Bible day of God as do the wicked translators.

Again Donnie wrote: Should "other true followers of God" throughout the world, considering the varying pagan time zones, conform to your correctly and divinely calculated hour and uniformly have that "Lord's Passover Supper memorial?

Donnie I think you should be asking God for that answer? You forget God has natural observed time that start wit early dark of the evening and not time zones. But first take a serious warning from God through his prophet Daniel 7:25 about a wicked ruler who will think he can change Bible time and the set times of God to worship. Then if you are a saint in the everlasting kingdom but deceived by this wicked ruler, God says he will give you over to the hand of -his false teaching. So are you deceived about Bible time or the set times of God to worship?

Humbly submitted,

Will Wade

Since Jesus was a Jew by earthly heritage, He was required to keep the rites and rituals of the Mosaic Law and follow the Hebrew calendar, which assigned days for worship and feast celebrations. The Mosaic Law and all its religious rituals were nailed to the cross of Jesus (Col. 2:14). Therefore, the Hebrew calendar became obsolete, and all the Jewish religious rituals became obsolete. The advent of the Christian era arrived on Pentecost, and everything changed. The Julian calendar, which was in place at the time, was eventually replaced by the Gregorian calendar. Yet the Jews still attempt to follow the Hebrew calendar for "religious" purposes. Do you really believe that the Hebrew calendar today is exactly the same as it was in the first century?

If this is true then there is no more SIN. Romans 7:4-14

To
God be the Glory
Joe

Sorry I did not get back sooner.
The Jews did not create or set Bible time or set the times to worship for their God.

Today the so called Christian world is so fill with pagan practices, Finding a sound true Christian organization is as hard to find as the ancient dinosaur. Many are called few are chosen.
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The Jews did not create Bible time to live by, it was God who establish Bible time and the set times and how to measure God's solar day from early dark of the evening. God set the supper hour to worship in both the New and the Old Testaments.

The Catholic church has set artificial time for most modern deceived so called Christians.

The Christ is correctly recorded to have resurrected at early yet it was dark on the night of day one of the Sabbaton (early yet it was dark of Saturday night a true translation of John 20:1).
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The Catholic Church changed the resurrection day from early the first of the Sabbaton (Mark 16:9) to the rising of the day of the sun god for Catholics and for the deceived to gather and worship on the day of the sun god.

God, the Christ Established his Ekklesia which Ekklesia is nothing like a church. God did not establish anything that resembles a Church.

The Catholic Church is telling you the truth beware and listen to them; the Catholic Church is the first church ever to exist on earth. All who call themselves churches are simply the daughters of the Catholic Church (including the Church of Satan in San Francisco and the gay and lesbian Church).

God does not have a church. Read who started your church? At this website www.biblementor.com


Know for certain what you are doing and do not be deceived. God Is too awesome to displease, heaven it to wonderful to loose, hell is simply too horrifying to take chances.

Will Wade

I am a little confused by this posting. Among other things, I believe that "yet" means that the darkness was continuing from the evening of the first day, doesn't it. They were Jews reckoning from sundown. The sun had not yet arisen on the first day, but the first day as a calendar day, not as daylight, had begun.

There are some interesting points, though. I had never wondered about what the Jews did on the Sabbath day before.

If Will believes the Bible translators are "wicked" because they allegedly screwed up translating "Bible time," he'd better think twice before following anything in the Bible, because it might be "wrong." Or maybe Will thinks that only "Bible time" was translated incorrectly and everything else was translated correctly.

Will seems to be telling us that if people selectively decide not to believe this or that in the Bible, it's because the "wicked" translators botched the translation. On a similar note, in the comments about Acts 2:38, one Baptist-oriented study Bible actually questioned the text wording about being baptized FOR the remission of sins in Acts 2:38. The commentators stated that's not what Paul meant (translation: that's not what the commentators wanted Paul to say). The commentators went on to imply that Paul meant to say remission of sins came first, followed by baptism as a symbol of remission. Such comments implied that the translation was incorrect or, most likely, that the translation was correct but the commentators didn't buy Paul's teaching at all and decided to "rewrite" it to suit the false theology of the Baptists.

Sabbath means REST: There is no command to worship on the seventh day. Rest means Rest as in "come to me all ye that labor and are heavy laden and I will give you REST."

A laded burden is a song in Hebrew and Greek: a Song that has lots of repeating words which includes Aeido. It means "creating spiritual anxiety through religious rituals." That's why the synagogue held on the REST days restricted work and travel and the qahal, synagogue was held on those days.



On the same days the Levi tribe was profaning the REST day with slaughtering innocent animals and making lots of vocal and instrumental noises. That is why the godly people were quarantined from the sacrificial system which God never commanded.

Christ spoke through the prophets to repudiate the SERVICE word which means "hard bondage".

http://www.piney.com/Jeremiah.7.Silence.html

You would be absolutely impossible to keep the Sabbath and do "church services" including travel. Jesus was resurrected on the first day of the week and Jesus assembled (synagogued) with the believers in the evening of the first day of the week.

My name is Robert.

I am not presently a member of the Church of Christ and have been considering attending. My question is simple, and I ask it from a position of love, not animosity of any sort, so please consider that along with the question itself. Do those who post here live under the old covenant, or the new covenant? I ask this question because the things I have been reading here seem to indicate a desire to please God by lawful means. I am not affiliated with any church, and have no hidden agenda. Thank you for considering my question.