Place your banner ad here.           See all banner ads

...ConcernedMembers.com ...About ...Links Library ...Sunday School in Exile ...Help Warn Others

Where is my NewThisWeek Email subscription?......Click Here

Place your text ad here.           See all text ads

  << Previous Topic | Next Topic >>Return to Index  

Are Church-Sponsored Schools, Hospitals, and Similar Building Projects Scriptural?

November 23 2004 at 9:23 AM
Dr. Bill Crump 
from IP address 207.69.50.191

Several posts within the “Where Is Christ in Christmas?” thread strayed from topic and condemned church-sponsored schools. When I initially mentioned the Christmas plays I had seen at church-sponsored elementary schools, others jumped in to condemn not the plays but the schools themselves as unscriptural because they were indeed church-sponsored. Rather than continue out of topic there, I thought it prudent to begin a formal thread here. But I am enlarging the topic further and including church-sponsored hospitals and any other seemingly “good” or “benevolent,” church-sponsored building projects which benefit mankind. So here’s the question for discussion: Are schools, hospitals, or similar building projects that are sponsored by churches scriptural or unscriptural? Follow-up questions: Do they absolutely violate biblical principles? Are they abominations in the sight of God if churches sponsor and build them? Please render thoughtful, specific answers and justify them with biblical references. Also please avoid cryptic answers like, “Church-sponsored schools are good” or “Church-sponsored hospitals are of the devil.”

 
 Respond to this message   
AuthorReply
Andy

209.136.59.58

Re: Are Church-Sponsored Schools, Hospitals, and Similar Building Projects Scriptural?

November 23 2004, 11:32 AM 

Thank you, Dr. Crump, for starting this forum.

Let me begin by saying that I am a teacher at a Nashville-area Christian school, affiliated with churches of Christ. I teach Bible, World History, and European History on the high school level--I also serve as the Bible Department chairman. I have been privileged to work with some of the nicest, most talented, and decent young people I've ever known in the last 11 years. The school where I teach is not "sponsored" by any specific congregation of the church of Christ, but our faculty, staff, and administration are required to be members of the Lord's church, that is the church of Christ. To put it plainly, we are affiliated with churches of Christ in general. The last statistic I heard (about 5 years ago) was that our student body in the high school was only 40% church of Christ. Therefore the majority of our students come from denominational bodies or from no church background at all. But I assure you that the Bible is taught in a sound, Scriptural way at this school and our weekly Chapel worship is done in a very conservative way. I choose not to name my school in this forum for fear that some who make posts on this site may attempt to "mark" or disparage it in some manner.

Having said that, I will admit that Scripture does not say explicitly "Thou shalt create Christian schools," but by the same token, it never says "Thou shalt not create Christian schools." I see no way at all in which these schools are an abomination or inherently evil. Christian schools do wonderful charitable work outside the classroom, including mission trips, service projects, etc. During my time at this school, I have had the privilege of baptizing several of my students into Christ for the remission of their sins. Recently our student body went on a community service project in which they help several elderly members of the community by raking leaves, doing yardwork, and simple household chores that these elderly folks could not do for themselves. Was this evil or sinful? The following week our students went out and purchased Christmas gifts for Inner-city children who would otherwise have no Christmas at all. Was this inherently evil or wrong? (If you are one of those who do not condone the observance of Christmas, then you will likely say "yes, it was wrong.") But doing a good work for a child is something of which even Jesus Himself approved.

I do not have children, but I would much rather send a child to a private Christian school--consider the alternative: public schools, where God's name is not allowed and where prayer is banned. Public schools, where the academics are mediocre at best and where the halls must be patrolled by police officers. Public schools, where students rule with violent outbursts, profanity, and immorality, and where the teachers are powerless to discipline them. Is that where we want to place our children?

God has given us the resources and financial means to establish institutions and organizations such as schools, orphan homes, nursing homes, and hospitals in order to serve our fellow man. "Love thy neighbor as thyself." While God does not tell us specifically how to use those funds, as long as we use them in a way that others are served in a decent, loving way, then no, there is no evil in that.

Would a good God condemn Christians to hell for using their means to help the sick and elderly, or to educate children in a Christian environment? I pray not.

 
 Respond to this message   


63.84.81.63

Schools.

November 23 2004, 1:48 PM 

I speak with some credentials: I spent enough money to retire on for what I believed to be a good idea. As far as I can determine I built the first computer lab in a Christian school or maybe any school in the state. I did two terms on the board of directors totally over 7 years until my kids were out and then I took to the hills. The idea is good but the ANTI'S have mostly been correct that the church as an instituton getting into anything other than the role of the FAMILY and CHURCH to be the spiritual educators of our youth has turned to rend us.

Next, as far as my data bank can remember ALL "christian" schools were begun mostly by parents and preachers to escape integration. And they often denied a role for teachers who believed that dinosaurs ever existed.

Then, my experience was that such schools could only afford beginning teachers who could not have otherwise ever been teachers in the county system. By the time they became useful they had USED the school to bootstrap themselves up. This included some teachers who did not belong close to children. I remember one Episcopalian lady who "got saved" to get a job for the school.

Nothing could have been more traumatic than working with a preacher-Bible head trying to convince the teachers that you needed a curriculum. Trying to do the reviews with SASC often had a book's table of contents handed in as the goals.

My oldest was old enough not to get trapped into the UPPER CLASS Izod lizzard 'RITE OF PASSAGE.' She loved going to the Junk Stores in Hohenwald. She knew the game which extended on to Lipscomb where she just kept her head down to get her BS in three years.

The youngest was damaged by the CONFLICTING IMAGE of "Christian" in contrast to what she saw out of the STAFF and students.

A final blow was that as a "christian" school trying to survive we always TOOK IN the students who had no PLACE in the public schools. Believe me, a bad seed can sprout much more trouble than a so-called Bible base could cure.

Someone has mentioned the teacher who was fired because she said that baptism was mandatory. That no longer works when the Baptists have largely taken over your school. So, PUFF, there goes what happens to ALL institutions such as the Herald of Truth which was my early Bible School but underwent a Hostile Takeover. When it is all over the kids gradually reveal that their values were instilled in the auto or dinner table. They also remember the contrast with "school."

Here is some pretty good data to show that the Jews held education to be FIRST in the family and later in mandatory synagogue schools and compulsory education at the time of Christ. NO maturing male child would ever be dominated by female teachers from cradle to the grave.

http://www.piney.com/EdLifeMVol1Ch09.html

In time I will link this further. Andy, I don't want a dialog!

Ken

 
 Respond to this message   
Current Topic - Are Church-Sponsored Schools, Hospitals, and Similar Building Projects Scriptural?
  << Previous Topic | Next Topic >>Return to Index  
Place your text ad here.           See all text ads

This web site is not part of or approved by any Church!

...........................THE BOOK

What Happened At the Madison Church of Christ?


There are thousands of churches being taken over across America.

This book is only about one of those churches. It's about the Madison Church Of Christ. By studying the methods used here along with the resource references you might be able to inoculate your church. At the very least you will recognize the signs early on.

Many of the current members of the Madison Church of Christ still don't know what happened.
Some never will know! This book is for them as well.

Madison Church of Christ was a 60 year old church. At one time it was one of the largest churches in the US, and the largest Church of Christ.

It thrived for many years on the vision of it's elders and those of it's ministers. Those visions undoubtably came from the the inspired word of Jesus Christ.

At sometime in the last 10 years there was a deliberate plan by a majority of the elders to take the Madison Church of Christ into a more worldly realm.

They used secrecy, covert planning, and outside sources to scheme and to change the format and direction of the Madison Church of Christ.

The Elders knew that the membership would never approve such a plan. Using the tools of the "Community Church Movement"(consultants, books, seminars, meetings,planters,seeders) they slowly started initiating change so it was never noticed by the members until it was too late.....

At the heart of the plan was the fact that old members were going to be driven off so new techniques could be used to go out and reach the unchurched through new "Contemporary Holy Entertainment" methods developed by the "Community Church Movement"

Old members had to be kept on board long enough to get their plans ready, or the funds would not be there to pay for the new building. So by the plans very nature, it had to be secret.

The church had no plan in effect to renew or approve elders. There was never any need. The elders had always been "as approved by God". 10 of the last 15 elders would begin to shed some doubt on that.

The Elders did not even need a majority at first, because some of the elders went along unwittingly.

This edition starts shortly after some of the members begin to smell something strange in January 2001. Later editions may go back and fill in some of the timeline.

To even start to understand whats happening here, you must read the background materials in the first of the book.

This is only the first edition, and not the end. New editions will be printed as needed. To keep abreast of current changes, please visit our web site; http://www.concernedmembers.com/madison

Here is the list of players;

5 Godly Elders
10 Not so Godly Elders
120 "Deacons" (allegiance unknown)
2,800 - 4,000 church "members"
2 "teners" (people who have publicly confessed to have broken all ten commandments)
Unknown number of "sinners" (This is what the 10 elders call us.)
Unknown number of "demons" (Flying everywhere, to many to count)
 

Click Here......The Book is Available Now FREE

Place your banner ad here.           See all banner ads

...ConcernedMembers.com ...About ...Links Library ...Sunday School in Exile ...Help Warn Others


FastCounter by bCentral